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The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« on: July 02, 2013, 05:06:45 PM »
The Deceptions of the Ego in Searching for Spirituality

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So many people who begin their path on their spiritual journey are naive about the many pitfalls that have to be faced, these pitfalls are the learning curve of facing the many fears that the self or ego holds. The ego or outer self hides the truth from who and what we really are, it hides the demons that the self creates and the journey of finding your true spiritual self is to face those demons and accept them. Spiritual awakening can be a beautiful process as it shows us the true meaning of what is within, but it can also be a true awakener of how the outer self or ego has deceived the individual into thinking it was the true self. Spiritual awakening is not a happy go lucky endeavor because the path of truth is deep and profound but it also has a simplicity to it. No spiritual path if walked properly is ever easy because of the obstacles of the many possibilities that the outer self/ego creates to hide the true being of which it overshadows. It does not matter what practices one uses to attain self knowledge and enlightenment or what method is used in meditation, but one must remember the ego will always wait in silence and when it thinks that the inner being is becoming awakened and realises it is losing it's own power then it will step out and ambush the mind with its own self creating ideas of what spiritually is all about thus being for its own gain. One must remember that the outer self/ego always wants to be in charge of the persons thoughts and it will go to any length to deceive these thoughts to being the correct ones.

This is why one must train the mind in accordance with the truth and why it is important to do some form of meditation to calm and clear the mind from the self/ego thoughts, it is only this that can bring understanding of the knowledge and wisdom that the true inner being holds. A confused state of mind is just the ego's disirability of its own creation and this is why it is so cluttered and chaotic it is this that forms layers between the ego's mind of desires and the soul/spirits needs. All these layers must be stripped away before any true enlightenment can be found, and it is cutting away the layers of the ego's desires that can often be painful and hard to master because the self/ego wants to be in charge of its own destination. Spirituality from the inner soul/spirit wants its knowledge to be shared, but when the ego tries to step in and be in charge its only goal is recognition so it can hold onto the status of its own creation. No individual can find the truth of its own inner being without facing up to its own self/ego and its desires.

When the soul/spirit integrates with the self/ego it already knows what its role is and will always attract those that can learn from this knowledge, but it will not go out advertising it or seeking for some kind of re-payment. If the process relied only on the self/ego then the awakened state of mind would become a product which depends only on the cause and effect of its own creation and therefore will eventually dissolve because anything created must at some point die its own death. Enlightenment is permenant and therefore cannot die but stays within the soul/spirit for all infinity, if enlightenment were created in some way through its own desire there would always be the shadow of the ego trying to reassert itself to suit the desires that were being created which would eventually return itself into confusion, which is what the self/ego mind is, but having true enlightenment is permenat because the self/ego has not produced it or created it just discovered it.

The heart of the confusion is that all human beings have this sense that everything is continuous and solid in their world and this comes from the consciousness of the self/ego which projects a self description of who they think they are. When a thought or an emotion or an event occurs there is always a sense of awareness that something is taking place or happening, this is because the individual senses action that is taking place and it is this sense of self that is actually a transitory of a discontinuous event which gives the individual the impression that the mind is solid and continuous. One must remember the brain is a receptor to the self/ego thoughts of emotions which create chaos and illusions to the true reality of what lies behind them and this is how most people take the self's/ego confused view that everything is real. We all struggle to maintain and enhance this solid reality of which the self perceives so strongly, this is because it imposes itself and its will to experience the pain and pleasures in life and it is in this way that we continually struggle to cover up any possibility of discovering the real reality that is within us all.

So ask yourself if you think of your real condition as an awakened state and if so, why are we so busy trying to be aware of avoiding it. It is because we have become so absorbed in this confused state that the self/ego creates and the world and its reality and it is in this sense that we struggle to maintain the semse of a solid continious self that creates the actions that the self ego desires. The self/ego desires to experience both dualities of pain and pleasure as it is through these very sensitive emotions that it can keep control of the reigns. Imagine dark clouds with streaks of light trying to break through, this is the same as our duality of consciousness the higher consciousness of the soul/spirit is the streaks of light trying to shine through the clouds which the self/ego creates.

The Consciousness State of the Human Mind.
The conscious state of the human mind seeks comfort, security and pleasure and shies away from poverty and insecurities because the self/ego's ambition is to secure and entertain itself through the vehicle the human body which it identifies itself. The self/ego does not like too many changes as it loves the comfort of owning various possestions which gives it a status of security. The ego/self likes order and belonging to something whether this is family ties, religious ties, cultures ties anything that bonds it to something else.
It does not like solitude as it's whole existence is to create and experience what it creates. It also acts like a filter to screen the individual away from the true perceptions of what it really is, the ego uses this  to project and solidify the reality of the world around us which it likes always to be in control of. The ego is nameable of many things which exist only to the I or the my and mine. The ego also uses the mind in which is controlled via the brain to the awareness of self that all humans have within their conscious form. But it is not through the mind of the self/ego that one finds the true inner self this can only be obtained through stilling the chaos of the ego and mind and allow the silence of the inner mind to come through bringing quietness, peace and contentment. Some people have a bigger ego/self indentity than others and those who do, always have more layers between the soul/spirit and the self/ego which always takes longer to strip them away.

The power of the soul/spirit is strong when it awakens to its true role, but the strength of the ego/self is much stronger as it sees itself as the core of its own being. The structures and habits that the ego creates are strong and it takes a lot of self disicpline to cut away the barriers, these structures creates fundlemental myths that are believed because the ego gives us the belief that everything is solid and we are only solid beings, when in fact we are spiritual beings in a physical form once the spirit is awakened. The only way to free ourselves from the burden of this sense of solidity  is to free ourself from the ego's deception and habits and to slowly cut away the layers that bind us. So bit by bit one must sever the ties until one gets to the true source of the spiritual being the true role in which is the reason why we are here.

When searching for your own spiritual being one must learn some form of meditation as it is the only way to still the mind to allow the light of the inner mind to project itself through, it is only when the gaps of light appear in the clouds that insights are glimsed to help shine the way towards finding the inner being. Meditation is not controlling the mind it is stilling the neurotic state of the neurons that create confusion within the mind that the ego/self creates, now to alter that pattern or structure is to bring the mind still, so you can open a door into the mind of the soul/spirit. In this way one can learn and deal with so many factors that come into our daily lives and relate to them with a much more open mind than the clustered one of the ego. Think of it like a stringed instrument the strings can neither to be too taut or too loose, it is the same with meditation one should not impose anything forcefully on the mind, neither should it be left to wander in too many directions so that it allows the self to take back control. In true meditation there is no ambition or desires of material worth there is just an acceptance of letting it be. The ego/self's delusions create vivid wonderful emotions or fear which captures the minds attention, its a bit like watching a good film we get engrossed in what we are watching and the ego is the one that is engrossed to what it is creating. Meditation neither encourages these images but it also it does not suppress them because when you see with clarity and clearness you allow them to be as they are and not as some form of entertainment or a form of distracting the mind, thus it becomes an inexhaustable flow of energy which fulfills egoless action.

So by examining our own thoughts, emotions and fears our concepts can glimpse the reality of the illusions of which the ego/self mind builds arounds us. From this pointon  we can eleviate the struggle and prove the existence of the soul/spirit so there is no need to have rules and be dominated by the habits that the ego creates. It is only in the egoless state of which our soul/spirit resides in that enlightenment can be attained, this is because the soul/spirit becomes aware of its true role. We cannot always be aware of the true source that the ego/self imitates because it is so good at what it does, this makes the individual believe that some of its choices are in the spiritual mode and not in what is termed as the self mode. The ego/self can translate everything in term of its desires because when it experiences these desires it feels a great sense of power and achievement. It has the ability to create its own pattern one that is not always in alignment to the original pattern of the soul/spirit energies. When one can express themselves through the spiritual consciousness of the spirit, it then has a direct route to the spirits conscious path, but when it is re-routed by the imitation of the self/ego's attempt to use spirituality for its own gain, then the genuine spiritual development which is at a much deeper level is very unlikely to occur. This is due to the mental habits being stronger which creates a barrier which the soul/spirit cannot penatrate. The mind of the ego is far more powerful in subverting the spirit from rising above it.

The Structure of the Ego/Self
Most of us if we are honest are subjected and ruled by the ego's structure in the five sense world, we often without knowing it defend the ego/self making excuses for the actions we make, we make all kind of excuses for being a human being but it is only because we have not fully understood that we are all spiritual beings in human form if we only allowed it to be. Nothing can shield us from the world of war, poverty, crime, disease, growing old and all the securities that we think we need, these fears and emotions can only be altered when the state of the inner consciousness rises to the surface and over comes the habitual habits of fear. All the fears we experience are from the outside reality which conditions our lives and it is very hard and needs a lot of discipline to eradicate them. One must remember that the ego gives us all a false structure to what life is all about and how that everything around us is solid including the aspect of how we percieve ourselves to be. But this is a myth that we want to believe in because it gives us a structure which protects us to some form of comfort, but in the deeper realms of the true reality it is the root of all our suffering. The only way to free ourselves and give us all liberation is to begin by changing our habits our perceptions, our ideals and outside influences, we must slowly cut away the layers bit by bit until we get to the true source of our inner being and to understand why we are here and allow the vehicle to play the role of the spirit to guide us on the path created for us. No spiritual path is easy as there are to many layers to cut through and this takes time and patience to be able to still the mind and have a much clearer view of where you are going and rid yourself of the confusion and chaos that the ego's mind creates and instills in us. So trust that the inner being as it is the only one that knows where it is going and what it needs to experience.

The structure of the ego's consciousness is created out of a materialistic views of the mind via the brain, our thoughts and emotions the outer self creates only filters itself through the brain into what we call reality and the only way to calm the chaotic mind is to get outside the confusion of the mind and to still it with methods of meditation as it is only through this techinique that one can aquire insight. One does not need to give up the work or the ambitions of the work that you are doing as whatever skill you have comes from the tools of the inner being it is all part of the role you are playing, as long as you keep a balance knowing whatever it is you are doing you are doing with the highest intent which will help benifit others in some way as well as yourself. As long as you dont have the intent of I am, me or mine only doing it from the egotistcal perception of the I in big capital letters then all will be shown to you as the guidance will be given to which path is waiting for you.

The Transcendance of the Ego to the Spirit
Any transcendendence of energies from the subtle body to the physical is to accept your fears and accept the mirror image that the ego is trying to protect and have the ability to see things of how they really are and not how the self perceives them to be. So many spiritual teachings focus on spreading the word love but love is an emotion which has duality to its meaning, what is really needed is to send out compassion and accept the events that occur knowing there is a much bigger picture than any of us can see and trust in the inner guidance which is there so you can tap into its energies and be guided on your rightful path . Look for balance in all things, the universal energies create duality such as light and dark but without darkness we would not have light and when you accept the duality then you can begin to balance the whole. There are many who teach with flowery aspects of words to give the spirituality of their teaching some mystic divine essence to it, but there is no mystic realms in universal creation only the truth of its creation which interprets the duality of consciousness and when one find the balance between these two then you have found the wholeness and the essence of the soul/spirit consciousness which is spiritual awareness and true enlightenment.

The creator of all creation does not play dice in anything you see in the world past, present or future, the only changes that occur are the ones derived from the human consciousness of free will. Universal creation is a structure where every thing grows and evolves continiously in its ever expanding growth of its own spirituality. Nothing happens by chance and if you walk the path chosen for you many inspirations and experiences will manifest themselves to you, but if you chose your own path through the fear and desires of the self then you must expect to experience whatever it is you have created. There are many pitfalls in the many desires of your outer being and the only way to rid yourself of them is to let go of the many illusions that the outer self or ego creates. So let go and surrender to what you really are and try to find the true guidance of why you are really here and to what purpose your role is that you have come to play. Remember your role and the play that you are in and the true realisation of your path will be shown to you. We all have our roles and we are all here for a purpose no matter what that purpose may be, we are all important to the role given to the soul/spirit so it may experience the role of its own creation. Without a body of matter the spirit could not experience what the creator creates this is from everything from a fly to an ant and from a bird to a human all atoms of matter have their individual role to play in the great universal play of creation.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 04:36:21 PM »
The poor ego gets a bad rap. And when you think about it, it probably deserves it. It is not real in the sense of being like, our true self, but it is relatively real in that we created 'something' of sorts and then later in life, learn about the ego and realize we have a lot of work to do.

I wrote years ago a post on cornering ego on a spiritual path, which started a hefty thread in here. Basically, ego wants to survive and move on, and even go on into the afterlife and live forever. So when it seeks a spiritual path to do this, later, somewhere along the path, it learns, the ego must either a) be eliminated or b) shrunk considerably.

I'll give an example of ego as I am a dreamer. Many dreams Ive had, I would be in the passenger seat of a car and it is driving along quite fine. I realize, hey no one is driving, but I need to, and I grab the wheel. Then the car gets erratic. Then it almost wrecks. I work to try to get in the drivers seat, but I cannot.

When Spirit and true self is in the drivers' seat, then all is smooth. But when ego is in the drivers seat, it is a wreck waiting to happen. This is how it works on the spiritual path. Ego has to get to the passengers side and not be in charge of the journey anymore.

This is very difficult because it is so ingrained in us, who we are. We think we know. But when we end up on the path, begin reading, begin meditating, begin doing whatever we do, we find out we dont really know ourselves as much as we thought.

We have to be willing to 'let go' to the higher self and Spirit, to undo the reign ego has had on our lives. Learn to let go and this takes trust. Yes it is hard to do, but it is necessary or else we will not progress.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 04:39:57 PM »
We have to learn the art of 'surrender.'
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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 06:50:15 PM »
You have included some truths in some not so simple contexts. I can't even begin to clarify what I mean. Just need to say, it's not so easy.

To give something to consider: DJ spoke of the usefulness of the warrior's path, but he also spoke of the relief when achieving a level of knowledge where one could use seeing instead of the warrior's path. This is all about the evolution of the ego. As a general (by no means a rule) path of development used as the 'recommended' sequence:

1. We are passive and lazy. We suck up the attitudes and behaviours of those around us, being our family and broader culture. We think we have will, but in fact we are powerless to chart our own course through life, except in small matters. If we accidentally land on a reasonable ground-bed, our seed grows into an ego which will keep us sane and healthy until death - not a bad outcome for the vast majority.

2. We begin to awaken, and thus we begin to seek to participate in our life journey: we naturally yearn to move from passive to active.

3. Our increased autonomy causes problems and resistance in the world, because we are attempting to break the command of a passive life, to shift across to the command of an active life.

4. We are forced to adopt the code of the warrior, and to the extent we learn to do this well, we can succeed. But the warrior's code is a lonely road, and although full to the brim of enjoyment and interest, it remains inherently an identity of separation. Yet there is a truth in this separation which has been deemed of immense value to anyone on the path of development - we need to come to terms with spiritual loneliness, and learn what the most famous Tibetan teacher said: "Alone is alright".

5. We gradually learn the art of working with Spirit, in that our own efforts alone are insufficient. We become a partner on the road.

6. We have the realisation of what I call, being embedded in all. I don't like to talk much about this, as it has been used to validate the first position as fine, with no need to change. Basically it is a point when the work of the sword has been done, and our individuation is cohesive - we can hang up our sword, knowing if ever necessary we can pick it up again (like Shane), but that we have a new way to navigate the world. We are still called upon to struggle, but we intrinsically see ourselves as 'within', instead of outside or against. This stage can't be fudged, which has been a huge error of the New Age spirituality.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 07:10:31 PM »
Yes I have people in my life but I understand still there is a loneliness to the warrior path. It is one I do not talk about to others much or explain. Because they would probably think I'm mad being on the path I am on. However, I must walk the path laid before me which calls my name. I can choose no other. Other peoples paths may lead to doom and I just cannot take a chance of walking their paths.
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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2013, 05:35:03 AM »
Our attitudes to the ego have undergone some not-too-useful changes in the last fifty or sixty years. I use the word ego in its popular sense.

Without realising it, we have been affected by fashions and themes of attitude through the decades. It has become a common view these days that the ego must be eliminated for spiritual purposes, but also in other areas more public. We associate the ego with the whole concept of judging, and that concept has undergone changes in the last half century.

In the spiritual sphere, we had all the Eastern religious thought coming in from the 60s, although generally we now see its inception with Blavatsky and Olcott in the Theosophical Society. There is a strong theme in Eastern philosophy that true realisation can't be gained unless we remove the ego. This has been vastly over stated. Of course this idea is essential, but it is not the only thing in Eastern thought. The entire concept of Vishnu wouldn't exist if that were so.

Thus we have been taught to suspend judgement, without the other side of developing judgement, which has always been in Eastern thought - consider the Buddha's emphasis on discernment. This emphasis on non-judgement led to a moral cowardice on the part of those in the spiritual sphere.

There is a disputed difference between the Christian idea of self-abasement before God, and the Hindu/Buddhist idea of inner nothingness. I don't feel they are the same - the European/Middle Eastern thought is revolted by the idea of eliminating the core self, whereas Buddhism especially, as well as Advaita Hinduism, hold to the view that ultimately there is nothing there, in our core and in the core of the world. This has definitely led to the idea of removing the ego, but it fails to understand the long process wherein the ego has to be carefully trained and strengthened in order to be put aside temporarily, not removed altogether which would mean death.

In the public sphere, the Left which evolved out of the 50s and 60s felt a powerful reaction against all those social and institutional forces which had been repressing people with their moral codes. There was a tremendous sense of emancipation and the release of free thought. Out of this, the Left developed a resistance to being judged, but they also activated against judgement itself, by ourselves or anyone as they feared its coercive side. Again this led to vacating the moral public stage, which became filled by monetary values.

The Right suspended judgement on the old lines of public good - the values of national institutions and traditions - and allowed the business world to become the new morality. So in a sense, even in the public sphere, the ego became captive of whoever had the money to define it back to us. I noticed in Australia this began in the 80s very strongly. People sucked up any and all superficial values and judgements which were propagated by wealthy interests and consumerism.

All this has resulted in a vacuum of development of the inner self in learning to build an ego based on deep values and worthwhile purposes of living. There are still the old forces of moral crusaders, and now the new forces of grab-what-you-can venality. No where do we find the forces of courage in digging to the depths of our being, bringing back values, and standing forth with those values in our judgements. Our inner soul has been intimidated into holding its tail beneath its back legs.

The ego can only step aside when it has built transparency and strength. And this is also why I am not shy of speaking out at crap when I see it.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 10:43:52 AM »
Yeah I think my dream was telling me to not concern with eliminating the ego, but to go to the side and allow Spirit and Higher Self to be in charge, so that pretty much is going to be my approach.
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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 11:56:05 AM »
Can the ego in a good form be 'knowing yourself'?

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Philosophically, I don't mean in particular the attributes of your self / the self.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 08:55:27 PM »
Can the ego in a good form be 'knowing yourself'?

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Philosophically, I don't mean in particular the attributes of your self / the self.

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Well the ego has difficulty in understanding what the Self (upper case) is. This is very difficult. Because the Self is very unfathomable.

I will try to give my perspective. I am little me, and I understand there is a higher being connected to me, yet that is not me, but wholly connected. And I am learning what that Self is. I am unsure of the total nature of it. because I am here, in the total, trying to grasp the spiritual side of life. However, all is not at a loss; I can understand by digging deep, and meditating, and really exploring the spiritual the best I can, so I can gain knowledge, not just about the spiritual, but about my Self. I can know myself, but I am still clouded by egos needs and egos wants. So like the dream I expressed, I have to really work hard at taking the passengers seat, and let Self drive if I expect to get anywhere. AND then I can harmonise my little self with my true Self and then with this harmony, I can learn to understand myself.

Like you speak of balance, and learning to do this, it is about balance. Balance balance balance.
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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2013, 05:17:02 PM »
If may add to this a bit. The ego is what maintains the identity of the self. Given the full emotional range the "feeling body" presents to the ego to deal with, the neutral observer must arise from under the cloud of separation in anyone engaging a spiritual path. Once that is achieved there is a working  understanding that the ego, is part of a structure, designed to create a singularity. That singularity if it has energy can withstand the pressure of the nagual in Toltec terms, and in new age they would say  maintain a higher frequency vibrational field for longer and longer periods of time. The ego if it is not understood by the observer, will lack detachment, getting hooked by any transgressions that the emanations at large my bring up to be dealt with, creating an emotional support for the ego to justify things like feeling depression or insecure.

The Deceptive part of the ego is then when it singles something out to focus on and then the emotional support kicks in to be and act out of integrity.   

This ego though is not the observer, it is the current of energy that shields the parameters of a singularity. As a beings intensity/energy rises the deceptions fall away, the observer sees when the ego is moving itself into energetic currents that lack integrity and then this can be used to feel justified in feeling for example a victim, or maintaining power over others for security, and of course everyones favorite self importance.

One of the best experiences for me was that I had moments of rage/anger when I felt my integral boundaries were being transgressed. As I worked on this, the first phase I tried to just never get angry, when I still got angry , then I started to get angry at myself for getting angry lol. Now I see getting angry as something I just see as a current of energy, much like your senses picking up something to hot to touch. I still get angry but my emotions don't kick in and support rage. Anger in that light is just a warning, is recognizable and is just part of the emotional field of experience.

 
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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2013, 02:50:46 AM »

Nemo, I think you give ego a bad name.

But this is just a speculation.

For me the Ego is a natural part of us, speaking though not with 'thought' , just very "Simply".

Just wanted to post,

in the name of balance that we talked about as well.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2013, 06:35:35 AM »
The ego is what maintains the identity of the self. Given the full emotional range the "feeling body" presents to the ego to deal with, the neutral observer must arise from under the cloud of separation in anyone engaging a spiritual path. Once that is achieved there is a working  understanding that the ego, is part of a structure, designed to create a singularity. That singularity if it has energy can withstand the pressure of the nagual in Toltec terms, and in new age they would say  maintain a higher frequency vibrational field for longer and longer periods of time. The ego if it is not understood by the observer, will lack detachment, getting hooked by any transgressions that the emanations at large my bring up to be dealt with, creating an emotional support for the ego to justify things like feeling depression or insecure.

You haven't made that easy to read nemo. I had to come back another day to get it.

The important aspect is that the ego is not so much tamed by repression, but by the arrival of a deeper part of ourselves. This has been one of the problems with all the instruments we use to tame the ego: work place, relationships, family, school. All these condition our ego to behave, but alas, none of them provide much assistance in bringing forth 'the observer'. Nothing wrong with knocking a truculent ego on the head, but unless there exists some manifestation of the observer, the ego is likely to build subconscious resentment, or timidity, instead of preparing it for cooperation in the task of 'singularity'.

The world we live in now, has moved further away from recognition of our primary task as living beings, and as such we are confronted by a mass of resentful egos.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 12:17:42 PM »
I think it will take a bit before I can really understand what everyone is talking about, I get a small sense of it but the only thing I could come up with is this.

I cannot tell weather my ego has been fully tamed or weather it is in full force and needs work.

I sit in a pretty peaceful state most of the time, quite thoughtless actually, I don't get enveloped by emotions any more. Unless I watch a film about heroism or see the rain or witness something beautiful.

I always love hearing about pitfalls on a path though, what things to watch out for. Maybe I just don't have a sense of ego but I cant seem to bounce these descriptions off of anything.



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The ego is what maintains the identity of the self. Given the full emotional range the "feeling body" presents to the ego to deal with, the neutral observer must arise from under the cloud of separation in anyone engaging a spiritual path. Once that is achieved there is a working  understanding that the ego, is part of a structure, designed to create a singularity. That singularity if it has energy can withstand the pressure of the nagual in Toltec terms, and in new age they would say  maintain a higher frequency vibrational field for longer and longer periods of time. The ego if it is not understood by the observer, will lack detachment, getting hooked by any transgressions that the emanations at large my bring up to be dealt with, creating an emotional support for the ego to justify things like feeling depression or insecure.

In reading this I think maybe I have a sliver of ego left, maintaining just enough self to be able to communicate with people. I get the sense that you are mostly talking about detachment and Oneness or burning from the fire from within (the singularity). Which is what you need to do in order to deal with the teachings of the toltec path. But I am trying to understand what you mean by this line specifically, I really like it but I cant understand it.
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The ego if it is not understood by the observer, will lack detachment
So if you don't understand the ego, you will lack detachment? I guess my question would be then maybe not about the ego but weather or not I have detachment.

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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 01:41:34 PM »
Nemo, I think you give ego a bad name.
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Nikos, This is my seeing of the ego. The universe/creation/god/prime/source/allthatis does things, is things events etc. One thing in an expanse of things it is doing, is trying to create singularities that have higher abilities individually, without them being corrupt or corrupted. The ego is a great tool, and is not the self, look at more as a programmable thing that personal power can update as it gains energy in one form or another, information just being one form of updating.


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Hi CherryArc, Look at the the ego as the car, and the observer as the you outside of the car. Then at some point energetically speaking the car needs you to get in it and direct it. Detachment means you are able to get out of the car and back in it as you please.  

Another way to say this is, someone with autism does not have the full emotional body/ego matrix we consider normal, but they still have an observer "see"?


Yes Michael, sorry I have been attempting to catch up on some of my posting and not giving it the time i need to be cogent. Though you did get it, by the looks of it.





  
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Re: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2013, 05:37:26 PM »
Nikos, This is my seeing of the ego. The universe/creation/god/prime/source/allthatis does things, is things events etc. One thing in an expanse of things it is doing, is trying to create singularities that have higher abilities individually, without them being corrupt or corrupted. The ego is a great tool, and is not the self, look at more as a programmable thing that personal power can update as it gains energy in one form or another, information just being one form of updating.



Hi CherryArc, Look at the the ego as the car, and the observer as the you outside of the car. Then at some point energetically speaking the car needs you to get in it and direct it. Detachment means you are able to get out of the car and back in it as you please.  

Another way to say this is, someone with autism does not have the full emotional body/ego matrix we consider normal, but they still have an observer "see"?


Yes Michael, sorry I have been attempting to catch up on some of my posting and not giving it the time i need to be cogent. Though you did get it, by the looks of it.





  

No nemo!!! LOL :) Per my dream ego does not drive, ego takes a passenger seat, and however you want to say it, double/higherself/unfathomable self/no self as self/buddha nature/christ consciousness drives. Ego wants to drive but it can spell disaster if it does. One of the acts in dealing with ego is to surrender, and step aside on the spiritual path. :)
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