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Kal

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egoistic process
« on: January 23, 2013, 11:29:42 PM »

Wanted to raise a topic, about our relationship with the world around us.

I very often think that what I see or experience is only relevant with my own self. (point of view)

It's not all that bad,lets say- and I think the idea of enlightment comes to be relevant in that stream of thought.

finaly, many have said that life is an egoistic process, something in which I stumble often.., finding true.

There are several other ideas, like "what we are seeing" is only the surface of our bubble but I have low knowldge of that in real terms (although I use it as a forerunner - force).

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 06:02:50 AM »
Have you been able to stop thinking for lengths of time?

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 08:28:09 AM »

No.

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 02:30:42 AM »
"life is an egoistic process" because everything we see is filtered through our thinking. In fact, more than that - our thinking sustains a kind of suffusion, a colour suffusion, which is the flavour of our world. Only after we have achieved extended periods of suspended thought, are we offered a raw view of life. There is much more to this, but that is enough for now.

The really interesting thing is that the raw view of life is not interesting. At least not in the way we have come to see 'interesting'. We are addicted to embellishment, until all we see is embellishment.

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 06:16:25 AM »

My reply as no came because of the term thinking... of course I have suspended thought...

Maybe in this query I 'm not interested in life and the suffusion that is taking place but rather an outsider look, (difficult to express this sufficiently) and ITS implications concerning life from a point that we are engaged with each other.



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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 07:14:49 PM »

Welp, I stumble again and again in this thought that my current at any time perception is just what the moment is for.

The ideas are two, or maybe its one and the same... Totality of perception (being able to perceive everything in-a-so-to-speak not a specific locus-point) and the totality of the self (which I right now think it's something different) which I think it is (or can be -if not all individual cases are the same) the double.

It's a world (instead of work :)) on progress, maybe the totality of perception refers actualy to the final enlightment when leaving the world.

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 05:16:05 AM »
Look at it this way Nik. Imagine you are walking up a creek valley, which twists and turns. At some points along the way you meet charismatic people who try to attract your attention with their words or looks. You realise that the main issue is to keep moving up the creek.

You don't know why exactly, but you feel it in your blood, that there is something at the head water of this creek which is calling you. You can't see what that is, because there are too many twists and turns, hills and trees - your vision is limited to only a little way ahead. But you know which way the water flows.

You don't spend too much time striving to see far up the valley, because you know the main task is to walk upstream.

Finally, after a long time, you reach a high flat rock, which by sheer chance is just so positioned that from it you catch a glimpse through to the head of the valley. What you see there fills you with inspiration to keep walking upstream. And you know as soon as you leave the rock, you will not see that vision again for a very long way.

This is the nature of the path of knowledge. If we strive to understand while still in the curves of the valley road, we only see trees and hills. Doesn't mean we should not try to understand, but it does mean that the primary task is to learn the act of walking upstream - visions of our goal will come of their own accord, so long as we keep climbing.

One day, veils will fall from your eyes for a second, and you will know you are on the right road. Until then, don't angst over impenetrable questions. The double is a mystery best left to itself to tap you on the shoulder. Once it happens, you will realise there is no way you could have guessed.

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 08:43:50 AM »

Nice,

I see

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Re: egoistic process
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 11:25:41 PM »

For the sake of sharing (and caring and everything in the middle)

Thought it will be something good for readers and feelers to view


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ4cP5aVD8o