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Endless Whisper

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Question: If you were God....
« on: May 10, 2008, 05:09:31 AM »
I'm going to put a question up here and hopefully some will answer it, ponder on it. Something I was thinking on tonight for some reason or another. Usually, I'll have several questions of the day, for myself, see if I can get some answer to them, by the end of the day. I've always done that, challenged myself in various ways, hoping that by the end of the day, ill get some answer in some form. So I thought I'd toss up this one, and then what Im gonna do is do an answer what I think (total speculation of course), after it.

If you were God, and you created the universe and all of this existence, life on earth here too, what would you choose to be born in position: rich or poor? Being rich, you could have the power to influence, share wealth, help charities, whatnot. But if you slipped up and got greedy and wealth actually detached you from people and their sufferings, and so forth, seems that perspective could be lost.

If you were God, and born poor, you could experience suffering firsthand, struggles and dilemmas, worries and whatnot, like what many people do every day. Or be born in a country where there was lack of food, famine, disease, sickness, etc etc. You might still be able to influence, but not in the same way that a rich person could. It would be different, but knowing that existence and what it would be like, would be a way.

So, if you were God, which one would you choose?

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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2008, 05:19:58 AM »
I think the only way God could relate to his/her creation is to be a part of it (saying his/her because 'it' doesnt sound right). So to myself, as I read Merton tonight, it would only make sense for God, to be born in the flesh in some form. To say that could only be done, in one form, one time, or even limited to certain eras or millennium also sounds limiting. I personally believe if God willed it enough, could be born, in several places at once, in one lifetime, in various parts if wanted to, and experience that way too. Like walking around "God was one of us" like the song, but like a stranger who never reveals his/her secret position.

I also think that it'd be wrong to say that if God chose to be rich on earth, it'd be a bad thing. Yes, there would be limitations because God wouldn't have to worry about food or shelter, or getting a job, or going to school, and those sorts of things that are average everyday pains in the ass for people. Gas prices go up and up and God is forced to take the bus if isnt rich. However, if God were born rich, like say, ran Microsoft, then could do things like donate to charities, help with the cause of world hunger, HIV infection and other things. That wouldnt be a bad thing at all. That would at least be a positive thing.

Of course, God being born poor then could understand what this 'suffering' deal is, that occurs with people. Also, I think if God did do that, allowed to be poor and suffer, maybe a homeless vagabond on the street, could also understand loneliness and despair of the worst sort, or say when people would spit on him/her as a homeless person, or call the police on him for loitering, would then understand better why people lose faith in "God" when in such a state of being. Or perhaps go totally mad, as there are a lot of mentally ill people who live on the street and arent getting medical care. Not all of them are drug addicts and whinos. But people do, get creeped out by them and run off.

There was a woman I met one day who's husband, out of the blue said, he wanted to go and live on the street for a few months. He did do it, live on the street, because he wanted to 'understand' what it was like to be homeless. Now granted, anytime in this game, he could've turned back home, cause technically he wasn't a homeless person for real. But he still went through the motions of this whole thing, spent three months as a homeless person, so he would know and understand, firsthand, what that was like. And of course, along the way, he met other homeless people, so he was able to see them in a different light, then simply, phantoms on the street that people look away from quickly as not to 'stare' at them, or be seen.

While rich or poor, is a duality, an illusion in its own way, still these positions in life and society have a lot to do with who we can be. And really, either position can be used for better or worse. I think God would choose both, and many phases inbetween to be able to experience humanity, if had the ability, and really, if there are no limitations, must have the ability to manifest in that manner. 

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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 07:10:37 AM »

So, if you were God, which one would you choose?

Can't answer that... I don't relate to that concept of "God".

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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 07:32:31 AM »
Can't answer that... I don't relate to that concept of "God".

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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 10:26:00 AM »
Don't have to be God.
I had this in a number of dreams during my life.

One major dream, in which I was faced with a choice - to take the road of kings, or to walk the dirt paths of the common people. I choose the dirt paths.

When I reached heaven at the end, I stood watching the line of kings coming through, on an escalator they would arrive, and pass by like statues. I noticed Herod among them. I could have been in that line, and I was glad I wasn't - they were so encrusted with self-importance, and inflexibility - like wax images. All proud and pompous.

This occurred at the time I chose to drop out of the rat race - to give up being an Accountant or an Army officer etc. and become an unemployed man living in the bush and practising awakening twenty four hours a day - I never told anyone that was what I was doing... they all thought I was a hippy.

many years later, I had another choice, to escape the concentration camp - this was not one of your 'prison escape' dreams, of which I had a lot previously, when that was what I was going through in my awakening practice. This was more like leaving the lot of the common people - choosing again - to be one of a small group who were to make their way to the world outside the fence, much like a social experiment, and to try to set up a civilisation in another dimension, which turned out to be bushland, after walking through numerous underground tunnels and pipes.

When we arrived outside the perimeter, and stood looking back, we saw the world we had left, all contained within these big wire fences. We were free, but we also had to make our own survival. As it turned out, there was plenty - the old world had forgotten how much food and abundance existed outside. So we headed off to enjoy ourselves.

This happened during the phase of my journey when I decided I had had enough practice, and now looked for opportunities of service.

The first choice was one of wealth and position (my mother was always upset at that one), and the second was different - a choice of identity on a deep level. But both involved decisions about which was the best way to address the question of one's path through life. And the question of deciding where I would make my stand, symbolically.

I have never been one to just be towed along by the current - I always look ahead. Perhaps I don't really make a choice - choices are made outside of us in some strange way. But it is about acquiescence with awareness, and that special quality that removes any possibility of regret. We only regret when we feel we were not full participants in the decision. When we participate at the level we are allowed, and set our compass accordingly, there is no room for regret, because there is no looking back. That decision was made and all we have is the next one coming up.
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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 07:01:05 PM »
I had a dream on this too. I realized it was a dream and I tried to fly, but only got as far as a rooftop not too far away. As I stood there, this middle aged guy in blue jeans and a flannel shirt showed up.  There was zero
doubt in my mind that this was god. I said "God, do you mind that I like to drink beer?" He took out a little vial and just touched it to his lips, and said
"I have my own Ambrosia" - He started slurring his words and smiled and laughed and his eyes just twinkled like the stars up the sky.

Then a guy in a suit showed up, and god looked at me and said "Hey Maynard, I'd like you to meet Jesus. I've told him a lot about you. "

I shook hands with "Jesus"

I wanted to ask god something, but he immediately took us to Australia.
Everything was wide open and natural and spacious.

Then, in an instant, we were standing at the foothills of the Himalayas,
and I was lifted in Spirit, and entranced, and the colors were exceedingly
vibrant.

While I was looking at the mountains, God tapped my shoulder, and
I turned around, and there was the Dalai Lama in just a simple robe.

He looked so much like Jesus and I asked " Are you and Jesus the same
entity, then?"

He looked me very deeply in the eyes, and said "We are just actors to
impart god's love and compassion for you" 




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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2008, 02:06:31 AM »


He looked me very deeply in the eyes, and said "We are just actors to
impart god's love and compassion for you" 





May, your experience is really interesting. Do you think that he meant when he said this, the 'people' were just playing their various roles, to do this, in our world (like everyone knows who dalai lama and jesus is, or should of course)? Or could it be that per the dream which occured, he was speaking about the dream entities which created the dream itself? (or maybe it was both)

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Re: Question: If you were God....
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2008, 07:48:43 AM »
Oh, you had to complicate this, didn't you?

At the time, I took it to mean the dream characters, but now that
you mention it, it may be these actual people fulfilling their
roles in this world.

Then it gets even more complicated since it is my own mind creating
the dream characters (or is it?) - maybe it is a combination of many
minds and entities? Even all of us? WHOAH!!

I like you Ellen. You get me to think.

There was more to the dream too. All of a sudden I was in Mexico, and got into a Limousine. There was a chauffeur and an adult lady in the front seat and myself and a girl about 8 in the backseat. The chauffeur drove really super fast and it was the biggest superhighway I had ever seen, but there was no one else but us on the road. There were very many lanes though. We went up to Canada, and after crossing the border, the lady in front looked at the little girl and said that the Limo and her were going to a fancy Hotel and there would be rockstars and actors and it would be lots of fun and activities, but that I was going to go out into the woods by myself, and she asked the little girl who she wanted to go with. The little girl took my hand and just said "I go wherever he goes"

It's not unusual for this little girl to show up in my dreams and befriend me.
She is always between 8 and 13 - and sometimes she writes me notes or poems, but I can never remember them when I wake up.