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Offline zenandnow

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Re: Change
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2007, 04:59:18 AM »
Thus we find ourselves in discussions of change techniques only to find someone arguing the position that no one needs to change - that we are already where we need to be etc. This throws the whole discussion because everyone feel a need to keep walking all the way back to the front door to talk with someone standing outside debating the very reason to even enter the process at all.
change is good.  but michael it can also be that change is learning to accept ourselves as we are. 

when you come at the world with the stance that you are not good enough as you are, not free or whatever, you walk one way.  some here have been doing that walk for many years and the change they seek is a new way to walk.  one where we are free of self persecution. 

rather than hear only disagreement with your post, try looking farther.  far enough to see the few who do "argue" are actually putting effort to change how they used to feel they were not ok.  may is sensitive to it.  it rubs a raw spot.  so he defends, reminding himself that he really is ok.  can you not see that there was a time when he did not think he was ok?  can you not see that his defense is necessary to push him from his old self defeating habits and ways?   
"When you were a wandering desire in the mist, I too was there, a wandering desire.  Then we sought one another, and out of our eagerness dreams were born.  And when you were a silent word upon life's quivering lips, I too was there, another silent word.  Then life uttered us and...-Kahlil Gibran

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Re: Change
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2007, 06:18:57 AM »
change is good.  but michael it can also be that change is learning to accept ourselves as we are.

That's not the issue here. Accepting oneself as one is is an important part of process of change, is its beginning. Then one knows where one stands. Change is not about reaching the 'being-OK-stage', but about becoming something we even don't know we are.
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Re: Change
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2007, 03:27:39 PM »
That's not the issue here. Accepting oneself as one is is an important part of process of change, is its beginning. Then one knows where one stands. Change is not about reaching the 'being-OK-stage', but about becoming something we even don't know we are.
it is a beginning, we both agree.  may becomes many things he wasn't before in the safety of anonimity. so is he just beginning or somewhere near the end?
"When you were a wandering desire in the mist, I too was there, a wandering desire.  Then we sought one another, and out of our eagerness dreams were born.  And when you were a silent word upon life's quivering lips, I too was there, another silent word.  Then life uttered us and...-Kahlil Gibran

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Re: Change
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2011, 03:34:24 PM »
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