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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 08:23:28 PM »

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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2008, 08:28:22 PM »
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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result: Permanence
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2008, 12:07:46 PM »

Yogin training begins with meditation, which frees the yogin from attachments. Once free from attachments, the link to permanence is broken. Once permanence is broken and replaced with flux, constraint and fear fall away, creativity flows and the mind reverts to its original and natural state of joy. That is the strategy, the plan and the process.


It's important to bring the rebirthing process into all aspects of our lives and be Aware of it.  This happens to All of us All of the time, but sometimes we're not fully conscious ... we haven't snapped out of the dream.

Meditation (of any kind) ===> Awareness ==> Detachment ==> Impermanence ==> Clarity ==> Death (natural state of joy) ===> Rebirth.  And the rebirth is a Knowing ... what is to be done, said, all the nonsense, untruths, parlor tricks dissolve.

Sometimes we get so caught up in words/definitions that we limit ourselves to less than full capacity.  Call it "unorthodox", but it doesn't matter if you use a Buddhist, or ______(fill in with your favorite path/religion/belief) to realize Full Awareness, ______(fill in with favorite word ... awake, enlightened, eyes wide open, lucid) ... it doesn't matter what you name it!  The important thing is to learn from it.  Because in the end after all of the "learning", you'll realize that all the "knowledge", all the "beliefs", all the "all the's" won't mean diddly until their gone.

Maybe a sharing of personal experiences, instead of a bashing of personal experiences is in order.  Loosen up that attachment to the egomaniacal posting fool inside ;) ...


A few weeks ago my son had an art project. They have to do a project each month for their art homework. This months was to draw something in nature … sit outside and draw anything of your choice, do a close-up view and then one from further away. My son decided he wanted to climb up the side of Lone Mountain, near where we live and draw the inside of one of the caves.

So we hiked up about halfway, he settled on a big rock and began his work. I sat on another taking in the view, enjoying the silence, the heaviness of the air, the sharp texture of rock beneath me … the world from above … awesome!

When he finished, he wanted to climb higher. I told him to go ahead, that he could go by himself. After about five minutes, I decide to follow him. He turned around as I approached and, smiling, said, “I knew you would follow me.” I asked him how he knew that? He said, “Because I’m thinking like a parent! You were afraid I’d get hurt.” Heh! I told him he was right. We climbed a bit higher, found another cave … he described the type of rock and layers we were examining (he said he learned that in school). We talked about the millions of years it took to form the layers and how perfect that 6” crevice between two parts of the mountain were … as if someone had just taken a knife and sliced it in half. We imagined what animals had lived in the caves and talked about the baby rattlesnakes, scorpions, and vinegaroons (spiders that hug you with their pinchers) we had seen previously in that area!

We had already spent a couple of hours on the mountain and it was beginning to getting dark, so we decide to climb down. He slipped and fell, I slipped and fell … we laughed! We found some rocks and petrified wood on the way down (we love to collect rocks) and shoved them in our pockets. We were dusty and dirty from the dry desert powder. Our desert here is not sandy, it’s more of a very fine grey powdery dirt.

As we got closer to the base of the mountain, there was a path leading away from the parking lot where the car was, that met up eventually with the main road. He said he wanted to take that path and would meet me at the main road. Hmmm … I thought, hesitated for a split second, and then found myself saying, “Ok”. We split up and I watched him out of the corner of my eye as he periodically glanced back at me. I lost sight of him and got in the car. I pulled out and met him at the intersection of the path and the road. He was very proud of himself … the lonesome traveler … heh! We drove home discussing how we would climb to the top next time. ☺

What hit me was the realization that my son wasn’t “My Son” anymore … actually he never was. Parents are merely “vehicles” for transportation to a certain “destination”. Then we let go … some more gradually than others. I’ve watched him grow and learn … and change. I’ve learned that in order to truly Love anything or anyone, you have to set it/them free … that is releasing the attachment we so feverishly hold onto which produces the dark cloud overhead. Now, if we could do that with all aspects of our lives … detach from the infant beliefs by letting them grow and change … ultimately releasing them, knowing they were merely learning tools along the way, what a realization that would be! Instead of holding on to something that only Cements our “belief” … work on the process of letting it go.

Nothing is “permanent”. Permanence is fighting the Universal natural flow and growth process. I’ve had the proverbial “rug” pulled out from under me many times … looking forward to my next “death” … ;)

 
"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result: Permanence
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2008, 04:35:27 PM »
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Nothing is “permanent”. Permanence is fighting the Universal natural flow and growth process. I’ve had the proverbial “rug” pulled out from under me many times … looking forward to my next “death” … ;)
 

I love this planet and this universe and this whole human thing, and one of the reasons I love it is because of the magic that holds it all together. When I look at you I see that magic most clearly.

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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result: Permanence
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2008, 06:05:07 PM »
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I love this planet and this universe and this whole human thing, and one of the reasons I love it is because of the magic that holds it all together. When I look at you I see that magic most clearly.

 :-*

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That is So Sweet!  I Love you ....  :-*
"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result: the Path: Yanas
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2008, 07:56:57 PM »
Once we encounter the actual practices, there are many variations, so I will outline here a basic yogin practice derived from the Nyingma sect.

The word yana means a practice, or a path. Thus it is also employed for a large range of extensions of this basic meaning.

Within Buddhism, what is called the Third Turning of the Wheel, was the arrival of Tantra. Tantra is a path of utilising the world in specialised ways to achieve enlightenment in one lifetime. So these practices come within the Tantric tradition, and are practised by yogins who may or may not exist within the formal structures of Tibetan Buddhism.

The first concept to understand is what they call a yidam. Yogins of the ‘old school’ have a personal yidam and/or a series of them for different purposes. The yidam is a meditational diety.

As Buddhism does not in essence acknowledge the gods, or rather, they acknowledge them but dismiss them as futile for the purposes of achieving ‘liberation’, due to the fact that they see the gods themselves as trapped in samsara as humans are. So there is no point in asking them for help or even worshipping them. But over time, as Buddhism spread and evolved as a popular religion, it was natural that the gods found their way into Buddhism.

But Tantra remember, is all about utilising the world, and so the use of deities is no problem for them. More than that, it is essential.

All Tibetan Buddhist practice follows two phases: the Development and the Completion. In the Development, aspects, devises, and forms of all kinds used in spiritual practice are first developed to a level of definiteness and power. Then the process is Completed by the complete disintegration of the object - especially in the realisation of the non-reality of the very forms that have been so carefully built. Thus the Tantric practices which use the world and its items, do so only temporarily as an aid, or a tool, after which they are ‘seen through’ for what they really are, illusions, and then dismantled, discarded and returned to the raw unstructured storehouse of possibilities.

The same applies to the yidam.

I will try to explain a little of the place of a yidam in the practice of yogins. When people from Western countries meditate, they don’t normally associate their practice with any religious diety. So you could assume that the yidam is not a central practice of Western culture meditators. But if you look a little closer, you will find that most people, even in Western cultures, have around them images of certain deities, or they have a ‘personal attraction’ for one or another deity, be it god or Bodhisattva. This is only natural, as we are attracted to the qualities we see in certain deities even though we may not consider it a serious matter. In an informal way, this is very close to the practice of yidam. There is something intrinsic to our humanity which warms to the thought of a deity who espouses archetypal qualities we admire or which have special meaning to us.

Two central foundations to Tibetan Buddhist Tantra:
1. The whole point of Tantra is that the world can be used. Thus you have many in that tradition who are scathing of those who ‘sit doing nothing’. Tantra is about applying oneself to practices, skilfully using the world in specialised ways to produce the outcome of liberation.

I have this image, in my own terms, of what happened when Tantra began in Tibetan Buddhism. This is not historic, and yet I sense there is much truth in it.

At the first Turning of the Wheel, Buddha experienced, and then taught others a method which was very single-minded and direct. Essentially a method for some who are prepared to leave the world. At the Second Turning of the Wheel, his people realised their place in the larger scheme. They also realised the staggering consequences of his teachings. Then came the Third Turning of the Wheel. It happened like this:

One day the grand monks were sitting around feeling very pleased with themselves - they had it all down neat and pat, and they were respectable. In through the door came a shaman. He derided the monks for their complacency, and their happiness to wait many lifetimes for Buddhahood. This shaman changed the course of Buddhism. He bridged the ancient tradition to the new. Years later monks asked those grand monks, how did they know this man was what he claimed?

The grand old monks said, “Because he carried a ladder. And it stretched all the way to the hole in the universe!”

The shaman demonstrated such power and effectiveness that the grand monks could not refuse his legitimacy. “What are we to do?” they asked each other. “I know said one old clever monk, we’ll give him and his ladder a new name. That way no one will know from where he comes, and we will retain some respectability. Let’s call his method Tantra!”

And that my children is how it came to pass. As shamanism demanded entrance, this ancient tradition caused such a commotion, that they named it the Third Turning of the Wheel.

The ladder is the critical thing. That an item of the world could be used to escape the world, was an enigma which caught the imagination of the most daring yogins. They soon developed many clever techniques of body and mind, upon which they climbed to the hole in the universe.

2. One of these techniques, was to utilise a most auspicious item of the world - the body of the Buddha. The Divine Simulacrum.

The principle at the heart of this whole practice became the task of creating in the mind, a direct replica of the Buddha’s body, energetically. They, through the practices I will describe next, created inside themselves the Buddha himself. This is similar to the whole practice of using a yidam - again an inner replica of a deity. So too the inner body of the Buddha is created, and at last, discarded.

Tantra however is dangerous. Using the world to defeat the world is a concept and practice riddled with dangerous pitfalls. Not least of which is the inner body of the Buddha - what if one really began to believe one was the Buddha with all his powers? Isn’t that exactly what the practitioner is supposed to be doing? This path is tempting the ego like none other, and in the confusion between Divine pride and egoistic pride, who can say what will emerge?

But worse, Tantra utilises items that are taboo. The trap of sinking into pure indulgence is immense. This is then a slippery slide right into damnation - this path has no side-rails. Thus one man referred to Tantra as ‘the kiss of a beautiful woman with teeth like fangs of a snake’. Thus in Tibetan Buddhism, some semblance of guide rails are devised, but remember, Tantra is practised by more than monks within an Order. Yogins tend to be a breed apart.

One guide rail is devotion to one’s teacher who teaches and initiates only when the pupil demonstrates readiness. Another guide is the yidam itself, who acts as an inner Protector of the path. And another guide rail is secrecy. It is paramount that the yogin never speaks of his practice to anyone except his teacher, and then later his peers. Lastly, Tantra is embedded within the View - the Sutric foundations.

The Nine Yanas.

These are divided into three by three layers, not necessarily practised sequentially.

The first three yanas are the ways of the Arhat, the Hearer, and the Bodhisattva. The yogin focuses his meditational attention on the fundamental Sutric propositions of Buddhism: impermanence, craving, love, compassion and emptiness.

Next three yanas, called the Three Lower Tantras: Kriyatantra, Caryatantra and Yogatantra. These are known as the outer tantras: action in visualisation, worship and devotion of the chosen deity, the yidam. Prostrations, preparation of offerings, setting up and maintaining a shrine and altar. Complex visualisations of the deity’s arrival, devotion, placation, offerings, blessings and the return to source. The yogin eventually begins to identify as the yidam, and with the deeper meanings of all the yidam’s characteristics. This set of yanas is called the causal vehicle, as it is directly related to attainment of Enlightenment.

The last three yanas, the resultant vehicles, or inner tantras: Mahayoga, Anuyoga, and Atiyoga. These refer to visualisations within the energy/prana channels of the body. Roughly, two streams coming from the nostrils that rise and fall to the lower abdomen, where they form a third stream which rises up through the chakras to the crown of the head.

In meditation a bright drop of light (a tigle) is created which is moved through the prana streams. At each nodal point, it radiates light out into sub-channels which distribute the energy throughout the whole body. In Mahayoga, the imagery is created, in Anuyoga the channels and drops of light are meditated on through to the void state, and in Atiyoga one seeks to simply reside in emptiness. Always the two stages are employed, of Development, where the images and feelings are built up, and Completion, where all returns to suchness, emptiness and the Clear Light.

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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2009, 05:50:24 PM »
We are the prisoners of a philosophical legacy by nature of our upbringing - culturally and family. For example, notice how often in movies the 'close-up' shot is used repeatedly in American movies. This is due to a powerful cultural philosophy which has vied for supremacy in the US of what is called the cult of the individual - the lone gunman against the world etc. The definitive film being High Noon. This is being challenged now in the US as another powerful theme is finding relevance - the community. The 'close-up' shot typifies and reifies this individuality theme in the viewer, without any debate or informed permission.

Thus the job of those on the path is first to dismantle the hidden philosophical elements of influence which have been embedded in our mind without any asking for permission or evaluation of consequence. Then a rebuilding of a new mind with questioning, permission and evaluation. This is the View.

Kinda like the foreign installation. It would be referred to as 'wrong view' in buddhism. Nice revisit on this thread.
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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2009, 11:29:09 PM »
I wouldn't call it 'wrong' - right and wrong are conditional on what we seek.

Most people do not seek freedom or the isolation of too individuated a View.

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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2009, 10:37:41 AM »
I wouldn't call it 'wrong' - right and wrong are conditional on what we seek.

Most people do not seek freedom or the isolation of too individuated a View.

Some dont cause they dont know they're not free though, wouldnt you agree?

It takes something, either their own suffering coming to surface strongly, to the point they cant take it anymore, or some event they cant put out of mind which shows them it is so, to show them, they're not free. For others, they may not know they're not free, be completely oblivious to it and be content to their view the way it is.

I dont know about the wrong view assessment. Thich said people are trapped in wrong view due to little mind and he knows a lot on the topic. Plus buddhist have in the eightfold path, the aspect of achieving Right View as part of it (right speech, right intention, etc), so if they say there is a Right View, there must be a wrong view. And the wrong view is an individual undertaking folks must (hopefully) dare to be able to unhook themselves from. Like mentioning when spirit cuts the cords to self reflection and how most people dont want to be free. That may be so.
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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2009, 11:36:56 AM »
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/intro_bud.htm

The path to liberation from these miserable states of being, as taught by the Buddha, has eight points and is known as the eightfold path. The first point is called right view -- the right way to view the world. Wrong view occurs when we impose our expectations onto things; expectations about how we hope things will be, or about how we are afraid things might be. Right view occurs when we see things simply, as they are. It is an open and accommodating attitude. We abandon hope and fear and take joy in a simple straight-forward approach to life.
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Re: Buddhism: View, Path, Result
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2013, 05:48:18 AM »
Michael, I appreciate what you are doing here with this Buddhist overview/intro. I see how such a thing is a personal exercise, to pull it all together in this fashion, an exercise to help bring clarity to it. I find myself doing the same. I look forward to reading result and then if I may I would like to build on it. I do not consider myself Buddhist either (yet lol) but I do find myself going deeper and deeper into Buddhist literature. I have read pretty much everything else and find myself pleasantly surprised at this point in life to be considering Buddhism in this way. :)
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