Topic: From Confucius

[goggle-eyed dandelion]

'When embarking upon the path of revenge, dig two graves.'

[ellenmoksha]

All warfare is based on deception ~Sun Tzu

[daphne]

There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. ~ Sun Tsu

[ellenmoksha]

"Don't get mad, get even." ~Robert F. Kennedy

To add more onto this, revenge being a gray area, never black and white, some of the greatest stories ever told had to do with revenge. The Count is a good book because it did show revenge wasn't perfect. But it still showed the human nature and portrayed honestly, the nature of revenge. It is a process in itself.

Even in the scriptures, esp. the old testament, the Abrahamic God was huge on revenge over enemies.

So in truth its a gray issue. And as far as offering release - it can be the end point for another. And may teach another individual, better off not creating enemies in life, in the first place. Sometimes revenge can, be the getting 'even' that another needs. Just another version of karma.

In all cases, no. Well thought out and plotted, why not?

Confucius probably said that because many women wanted to get revenge on him for his oppressive ways. That's all.

[ellenmoksha]

There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. ~ Sun Tsu

Yeah, like Vietnam would be an example of his statement. He certainly didn't mean no one ever benefited from war, considering he wrote the manual how to engage in war.

[daphne]

What exactly is involved in "revenge"?

[ellenmoksha]

What exactly is involved in "revenge"?

Depends on the person, since its a gray area. Not all revenge cases are cause someone's full of hatred and anger. A well thought out revenge scenario could also be cause someone is on a mission to each another, so they dont do something again, that is harmful to other individuals.

[daphne]

Depends on the person, since its a gray area. Not all revenge cases are cause someone's full of hatred and anger. A well thought out revenge scenario could also be cause someone is on a mission to each another, so they dont do something again, that is harmful to other individuals.

Ahh... would the latter then be called "revenge"?

[ellenmoksha]

Yep.

[daphne]

Yep.

a mission of revenge eh?  sounds weird to me..   

[zenandnow]

"there is no greater illusion than fear,
no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself,
no greater misfortune than having an enemy."

thus spoke the tao.

[ellenmoksha]

Here's another thing that so-called sage said:

"The five worst infirmities that afflict the female are indocility, discontent, slander, jealousy, and silliness... Such is the stupidity of woman's character, that it is incumbent upon her, in every particular, to distrust herself and to obey her husband." ~Confucius

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Confucius was an asshole.

[Michael]

"The five worst infirmities that afflict the female are indocility, discontent, slander, jealousy, and silliness... Such is the stupidity of woman's character, that it is incumbent upon her, in every particular, to distrust herself and to obey her husband." ~Confucius

hmmm... well, he does have point there.

[mayflow]

Here's another thing that so-called sage said:

"The five worst infirmities that afflict the female are indocility, discontent, slander, jealousy, and silliness... Such is the stupidity of woman's character, that it is incumbent upon her, in every particular, to distrust herself and to obey her husband." ~Confucius

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Confucius was an asshole.

Ellen,  you are not indocile. Confucious was talking about the worst traits, not the very best.

[ellenmoksha]

Ellen,  you are not indocile. Confucious was talking about the worst traits, not the very best.

He gave them no rights under his system, Mayflow. He did not believe women were equal to men.