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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #150 on: April 14, 2013, 07:39:01 AM »
OK nemo, let's give you the benefit of the doubt.
What's your plan? How are you going to do it?

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #151 on: April 14, 2013, 09:53:59 AM »
OK nemo, let's give you the benefit of the doubt.
What's your plan? How are you going to do it?

I have already done it and am still doing it some more. I am just mapping it now, so as to make it an available option for those that are not aware of the possibility. Much of what has been written here by me are the pieces that make up the cognitive view, that I use.

Previously I have asked you to come forward to say how many earths there are in your view. The reason it is important to get you to offer an answer, was because either ones cognitive view accepts that there is just one earth, or as soon as an individual even entertains the idea that there exists more than one earth, then the next step is how many earths are there then?

Two, three lol, well then if there is more than one then it gets very difficult to put a limit to how many earths there are doesn't it? Then/when infinity comes into view just a little cognitively. The next step is,  if there actually is an infinity of earths, why and how am I on this particular one. What is fixating me to this particular one, and how do I change which one I am on.

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DJ The Power of Silence:

"A somersault of thought into the inconceivable," he explained with an air of resignation, "is the descent of the spirit; the act of breaking our perceptual barriers. It is the moment in which man's perception reaches its limits. Sorcerers practice the art of sending scouts, advance runners, to probe our perceptual limits. This is another reason I like poems. I take them as advance runners. But, as I've said to you before, poets don't know as exactly as sorcerers what those advance runners can accomplish."



"I'm going to tell you something fundamental about sorcerers and their acts of sorcery," he went on. "Something about the somersault of their thought into the inconceivable."

Then DJ goes on to talk about Calixto Muni

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"The sorcerer storyteller who changes the ending of the 'factual' account," he said, "does it at the direction and under the auspices of the spirit. Because he can manipulate his elusive connection with intent, he can actually change things. The sorcerer storyteller signals that he has intended it by taking off his hat, putting it on the ground, and turning it a full three hundred and sixty degrees counterclockwise. Under the auspices of the spirit, that simple act plunges him into the spirit itself. He has let his thought somersault into the inconceivable."
Don Juan lifted his arm above his head and pointed for an instant to the sky above the horizon.
"Because his pure understanding is an advance runner probing that immensity out there," don Juan went on, "the sorcerer storyteller knows without a shadow of doubt that somewhere, somehow, in that infinity, at this very moment the spirit has descended. Calixto Muni is victorious. He has delivered his people. His goal has transcended his person."

(nemo) I use these example from CC's books to show that what I am saying is not outside what has been covered in those books. It is my belief because of CC's proclivity for dreaming that the books tend to appeal to dreamers and dreaming, but within them DJ did give sufficient warnings and reasons for not giving it the primary emphasis within the teachings. Dreaming as you can see is put in the same importance level as feeling and seeing.




Now I can answer the two missing elements in this diagram, but I will honour what DJ did and not fill them in. You can see that they are connected to will. They are only indirectly through will connected to the rest of what makes up a being, a singularity.

Like I said when I first started here in the Egypt thread that I will articulate another view as best I can for yaw'll, and then you can take it or leave it. The diagram shows a reality where those two question marks are not even a conscious issue thus an  awareness incorporating a world view that only uses those identified elements, creates a world by default first attention programming. As I have also said before that that is just as legitimate a view, because that is also an assemblage point position one can have. What I am offering is the rational for navigating infinity along with a working view.

Michael, In lieu of teaching directly I will work on a list of rules of thumb and post it here when I am finished with it. That would absolve me of from leaving this view high and dry without a teacher, as you seem to think is an issue.

Teaching is a little weird, from my view, because in a way you become bound to getting something across to another, whatever it is, when it starts to get into a view of reality, then it takes on being an advocate for one view over another, and in the case of my view, no view is more relevant than any other so being left with a paradoxical situation, as not really being an advocate for someone to change their view one iota, if they choose not to. I am only willing to offer the view, if it works for whomever comes across it.

As you can see I have been consistent from the start not to say your view is irrelevant, because it is not  at all, yet you did not have my view in your repertoire of possible descriptions, in the way i offer it and now you do :>). It may sink in as something you would like to adopt, or you can reject it and even ridicule it, and warn people against adopting it or delete it, that's my friend is totally up to you.  

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Re: Love
« Reply #152 on: April 14, 2013, 01:50:03 PM »

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Though I wrote in my journal, that I can't do it/ proceed.

Some things , I believe is not up to us to come into an outcome or not... there is only a successful outcome on my plans of course...
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Relax and then see again....................................................................



Spinning Away

Up on a hill, as the day dissolves
With my pencil turning moments into line
High above in the violet sky
A silent silver plane - it draws a golden chain


One by one, all the stars appear
As the great winds of the planet spiral in
Spinning away, like the night sky at Arles
In the million insect storm, the constellations form


On a hill, under a raven sky
I have no idea exactly what I've drawn
Some kind of change, some kind of spinning away
With every single line moving further out in time


And now as the pale moon rides (in the stars)
Her form in my pale blue lines (in the stars)
And there, as the world rolls round (in the stars)
I draw, but the lines move round (in the stars)
There, as the great wheels blaze (in the stars)
I draw, but my drawing fades (in the stars)
And now, as the old sun dies (in the stars)
I draw, and the four winds sigh (in the stars)
All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #153 on: April 14, 2013, 04:47:14 PM »
Nemo . Wonderful there . Thankyou :)

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #154 on: April 14, 2013, 04:49:33 PM »
Nickos . On fish , it seems we are dancing to this flame and we will see ,  some dance , flickers , shadows , bouncing away . Nemos post was wonderful for " swim" i am so happy to see it this wonderful morning :)

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Re: *Egypt How Many Worlds
« Reply #155 on: April 15, 2013, 08:07:08 AM »
Here is another for you!


Brian Eno - How Many Worlds


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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #156 on: April 15, 2013, 11:06:34 AM »

Bullshit all the way.

Just my view, but it seems we 're losing time that we actually don't have. (Speaking of we where I actually feel completely alone in here)

Seeing time and time again all 'in' their personal inventories, doing ...their stuff.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #157 on: April 15, 2013, 11:36:11 AM »
Perhaps I should try to explain something Nik.
Nemo is not a novice - he is what I term an 'operator'. Meaning he has progressed passed a certain threshold on the path, and is able to 'operate' as a seer in the world. What I am having with him, is a technical discussion about certain aspects of view.

You Nik, are a novice. You are looking for a pleasant conversation - for you, love means friendship and cordiality. For those who have committed to the path of spirit, love has a very different meaning that you are yet to comprehend.

One of the first things beginners have to develop on this path, is the ability to recentre themselves on a new level of tension. It's called tone. To progress on this path, we have to be able to sustain ourselves, in a very relaxed way, within a field of tension that is necessary for generating a special kind of energy, essential for spiritual realisations. Much of the path of spirit, is knowing how to sustain the generation of that special kind of energy.


I still have to laugh with this bullshit.

How could the moderator storm's view be be so wrong.

Surprised me unpleasantly.`

I knew we are all alone in this ...path but, it surprised me unpleasantly.

Not much more to add.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2013, 06:09:49 AM »
I will add some , there are different views running in different streams , the turbulent stream , the calm , the storm too ,
The storm seems to place things apparently out of place ,
As the place affEcted the finding of placement ,
The view held , created , of having found been placed .
Something like that , where the voices point to .
in the middle " detached " is still
"Attached" maybe too ,

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2013, 06:15:07 AM »
It is a way of pointing , if we point well , we can show . And then there is the doing , and amidst this , the claiming . the claiming within the doing if only.
For instance , nemos view found perfect timing for me when placed in a usable context of gathering " wind" ,
Michael and your illustration nikos found placement also wothin the wind for me ,
And although tempted to not write , and let it go , i wanted to breath a new breath into it , also so i can articulate it for myself and you also here

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #160 on: April 16, 2013, 06:19:17 AM »
the middle of the stream is tight wind , a tension in my midsection feeling
It brings me to seek the swet spot , because it has been proven to be effective ,
The fire is also good to bring about a transformation , because it must bridge the water via entering the wind ,
Im sorry for the symbolic model , however , being lost to the fire , the wind and the water may equally be puzzling to myself in this vision

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #161 on: April 16, 2013, 07:23:06 AM »
I am busy now nemo, but I'll say just a few things to try and clarify.

Your overall view of the 'setup' is not new, and I'm not in disagreement in principle. It is a basic view coming not only from Castaneda, but from other traditions in slightly different dress. As I say, in principle, it is the same view I have of the cosmos, aside from some aspects which are not critical.

The difference between us, from what I see, and as I have explained, is a matter of emphasis of what is important to address in the overall range of things. I get the picture that you follow a view espoused by Castaneda, in which all that is necessary is to switch the mind into acknowledging the inherent potential that surrounds us. A similar view is held in some strands of Buddhism. I don't actually disagree with that idea in theory, but in practice.

I have not mentioned teaching at all, as far as I recall, in this thread. Teaching is a totally different matter altogether. Just because I focus upon a pragmatic approach, whereby we build slowly, following a series of tasks, does not imply teaching. I am not engaged in teaching, not because I have anything against it, or against anyone who does it, but because I follow a path in which it hasn't been required. That doesn't stop me from giving my opinion.

I am not favourable towards Castaneda. Since the first book of his which I read about forty years ago, I have found him to be one of the most stupid and annoying people possible. I noted that DJ felt the same way. After DJ and his tribe disappeared, he didn't change, but just went further and further off the rails.

So I am not favourable to his view of changing the AP of the Earth. Not that I don't understand what he means by that, but I don't believe he had the sobriety to engage in such a task actively. He did engage passively, and I feel he was only trying to salvage some self-belief by reflecting on what spirit used him for, and thinking he was in some way responsible as an active agent.

My disagreement with you nemo, is that you feel simply by presenting a possibility, you have opened an opportunity. By presenting to people a view of infinite potential, your task is done, and that view is all that is necessary to tip the balance towards infinite realisation. That has not been my experience. It is what I call tree-climbing. Along the way I have climbed huge trees, and seen the infinite potential available to me. But when I climb down again, I haven't gone anywhere. This is the problem with scout-realisations. Of course these expansive realisations are a necessary part of the whole, but they have to be matched with the knowledge of how to walk towards that vision. And that walk is the most difficult part. That is the task of creating the opportunity - until the door of opportunity has been opened, our scout-realisations of potential are useless to us.

It is not a simple matter of a few guidelines, it is a serious strategy. It is a strategy towards a moment when we realise that all strategies are futile, but that moment can not be pre-empted. In the old symbol of the well, the walls must be strong and well-made, the bucket watertight and the rope resilient, if the water is to be retrieved fresh and safe.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #162 on: April 16, 2013, 10:16:31 AM »
Thank you Michael that was a wonderful post.

Words are not always the best way to get things across, I picked up along the way from you that if I do not give pragmatic steps, then I am just postulating a view with no substance. There has been an undercurrent from you that I must substantiate my view with meaningful proof, for validation. Which i see  is still voiced in this last post again. That if my view does not change your experience then it is just fluff.

If you climbed the tree to see the view and then back down again to see your world as it was, and still is, you must admit that your experience and claims need not be universal in nature.

Yes you may have come across this view before, but you have not come across me before in this timeline. I tell you that I have a working relationship with this view, it comes from/through my experience first, then I formulated into the words to get it across.

Previously I told you I came from a world that is much hasher than the one I am on now. This was done through some life risking gestures, done at a time I did not know what I was doing. It is only after a few of these experiences that the affect of what I was doing was revealed to me by spirit.

About your take on CC, I have just about the same seeing, but I also know he had to be the way he was for the books to have been written. As far as DJ, for the most part what he has said through CC's books I find the most compressive, explanations that I align with. It is not that I have not spent the time to research other dogma's I have, extensively, including science and new age material.

After I came across the book written by the man claiming to be Lujan Matus, I went to see him for a few reasons, but primarily I am very thorough in my research, for a lack of a better word. Now I am having a gesture with you, as I have with many others. You in many ways are my favorite, because I feel you are the most sincere, one example of a few attributes I respect.

A Practical Example:

I live in Canada, Canada is not I country in my view, it is a corporation owned, by (wont get into it, let's just say there are mystical schools that hand down knowledge of the functional control of first attention awareness, from Egyptian, Oriental and Babylonian lineages).

So knowing this is not enough to move the personal and world AP. Action must be taken, action is an energetic thrust within fragments of time, an alignment that moves you down a particular timeline. It must be about five six years ago now I started driving without a valid drivers licence. I have been stopped in my van only once in all that time, and that one time my double engaged the officer so much that he was unable to coherently move through his ritual, and couldn't wait to get away. I set out, and intend to move freely within my furrow of time, outside the agreement of the controllers to do so in the way that they set out for most others, they do not have my agreement, to restrict me and my doings. This is just one example, DJ said the sorcerers revolution is to not honour agreements that they did not participate in.

Of interest may be is my wifes car broke down and she used my van for only three days and got $500 dollars worth of tickets, because I do not licence my van either. My brother in-law for a week and got ticketed also, much to their chagrin.

I suspect Michael when you climb up the tree and get the view, and back down. When you receive a money request renewal from the corporate commonwealth of Australia to remain under their jurisdiction, you pay it. This is a spell over your, and pretty much everyones doings.

There are many Kashmirs, an infinity of them in my view each one slightly different. Getting to the one that is full of the beauty charm and safety, for those in it and visitors alike are down timelines of choice, not always the safe easy choice.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #163 on: April 16, 2013, 11:43:07 AM »
What's your plan? How are you going to do it?

Earlier I said my gig was to find adepts. To a great extent for me to find adepts, there needs to be adepts. lol. As Nichi said they would have their own travels, and would not necessarily see the benefits of mass.

The benefit of a mass of anything is that it can create an inertia, a mass of adepts, fluid beings, outside the fixed construct, would be able to map and open an energetic portal. In this way others would just need to read the recipe, without all the misdirections, from personal agenda's.

The earth (this particular timeline) is run by beings that are not good stewards in my view, they draw there power from occult practices, they keep their knowledge secret and use it to manipulate. Once you see how the game is being played, you then at least can make a conscious choice to play or not.

So my plan now? hey it's still up in the air. Personally I am getting a little tired of forums, so I may pack that in shortly. Then just keep in touch with a few friends I have made along the way. Main project at the moment is manipulating my position in linear time sequencing, breaking continuity within furrows of time, in other words teleporting.

Michael, Feeling like wrapping up my contributions here. If it's okay I will work on the rules of thumb, and then post it. Other than that, unless you have any cogent questions I see no need to continue.



 
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #164 on: April 17, 2013, 02:18:51 AM »
Earlier I said my gig was to find adepts. To a great extent for me to find adepts, there needs to be adepts. lol. As Nichi said they would have their own travels, and would not necessarily see the benefits of mass.

The benefit of a mass of anything is that it can create an inertia, a mass of adepts, fluid beings, outside the fixed construct, would be able to map and open an energetic portal. In this way others would just need to read the recipe, without all the misdirections, from personal agenda's.

The earth (this particular timeline) is run by beings that are not good stewards in my view, they draw there power from occult practices, they keep their knowledge secret and use it to manipulate. Once you see how the game is being played, you then at least can make a conscious choice to play or not.

So my plan now? hey it's still up in the air. Personally I am getting a little tired of forums, so I may pack that in shortly. Then just keep in touch with a few friends I have made along the way. Main project at the moment is manipulating my position in linear time sequencing, breaking continuity within furrows of time, in other words teleporting.

Michael, Feeling like wrapping up my contributions here. If it's okay I will work on the rules of thumb, and then post it. Other than that, unless you have any cogent questions I see no need to continue.



 

I think there is the personal and the 'global' field.

To operate solely for ourselves and see ourselves as separate is not what we must do in a way even though its hard to achieve it , far from a beautiful idea.

For me, it's about balance... in all levels...

The idea is to have less actually is more real than to want more, something up to interpretation by each of us of course.