Topic: *Egypt

[CherryArc]

Yes I think it would be very difficult to do as well, destroy the ego, because then consciousness would have to come from something else.

I think shrinking the tonal yes, shrink the ego and then use it on the path, verses it using you.

What would be that something else?

[runningstream]

The ego is like a
Familiar
Tool
Of reflection
A print in water
The feeding of
Consciousness
To go beyond is advancement
like fire
In water first and second attention
When nagajuna said he left a
Middle
Way with the naga
That was an interesting statement
consciousness i see like a spark that moves in water
Yet it is the mating of the masculine and feminine to
Produce that spark in a reaction
To say the naga held a middle way in the watery world
Again caught my eye
Because of this

Dreaming second attention

First attention waking

Third attention ?

I see this

The travelling within a merged dream of attentions

Intelligence as gained used as a stepping stone with the spark produced by the use of both attentions

Causes a reaction

As it was said " the ibs"

reflect to the level of attention of the dreamer " a most dangerous affair "

Yet speaking of " waking dreaming third "

As the spark produced causing awareness beyond with the unified self

Then the third element is movement

Caused by " listening of senses"

To action upon sensing

The dream being non separate " spirit"

Causes us to set up the dreaming through release of control

To action ignition of senses beyond fixed range

Which will climb in intensity

the double prompts and the self acts

the combined dream attracts

Pressure , and removes obstacles through truth of ascension

In movement untill

Something unutterable occurs which challenges reality and destroys sense of reality

Upon its realisation

then one is left only with the knowledge of

A middle way

Which has no fixed point

And cannot be held

A third " point"

I cant speak anymore beyond this point

[runningstream]

Perhaps the feeding of consciousness
Might read " awareness"
Yet" she "shows
When "he "listens

[Endless~Knot]

Perhaps the feeding of consciousness
Might read " awareness"
Yet" she "shows
When "he "listens

Once again good insight!

[nemo]

Hi during this thread I said I would post some rules of thumb i use, (in lieu of teaching personally) how to move the assemblage point of earth within the static holographic frames, which are the eagles emanations.     

DJ eagles gift


"Don Juan used to say that perception is a physical faculty that living creatures groom; the final result of this grooming is known, among seers, as "attention". Don Juan described attention as the action of hooking and channeling perception. He said that this action is our most singular feat, which covers all the spectrum of human alternatives and possibilities. Don Juan established a precise distinction between alternatives and possibilities. Human alternatives are those that we are enabled to choose as persons who function within the social environment. Our landscape of this dominion is quite limited. Human possibilities are those that we are capable of achieving as luminous beings.

Don Juan revealed to me a classificatory scheme of three types of attention, emphasizing that calling them "types" was erroneous. In fact, they are three levels of knowledge: first, second and third attention; each one of them an independent dominion, complete in itself.



RULES OF THUMB

General overview

What you see is a reflection of the self

What is reflected must be seen to be the totality of the self and understood to be a working perspective.

The assemblage point of earth is an agreed upon general cluster of bubbles, and the adjacent  bubbles you are clustered with, reflect your energetic state. There is an infinity of static frames in which you can have a moment of now in.

The world is malleable, and responds to energetic thrusts, (Your will) Take action in the directions that resonate with you. If you see or experience something unwanted, unpleasant, thank it for the lesson or contrast shown.

The singularity of the world is an illusion/There is no single world at large, only unique perceptions in time within a tonal of the times.

Your energetic thrusts form your approaching material world.

You are an assemblage point moving through static holographic frames of time

Points in terms of behavior

Neutral perspective, none judgmental

Not against things, energetic thrusts should be towards whats wanted.

Not giving your energy away, no intermediaries to spirit, re teaching entities that bind, require your devotion.

Efficient internal dialogue, should be monologue lol

"Not do knowing", knowing can mutate and change, be fluid, recognize when the past is effecting how you are viewing the present. Don't place what was, as an anchor to what will come.

Don't take the world to seriously, be as light as you can to the world around you, with body and thought.

Use infinity as a reference point, it is a fluid perspective enabler.

Be sensitive to when you are being asked to perform against your integrity.

[Michael]

The assemblage point of earth is an agreed upon general cluster of bubbles

Agreed upon by whom?

[nemo]

Agreed upon by whom?

The tonal of the times, and the nagual, Any moment in time is your reflection,

micro=personal, immediate viewed emanations, includes dreaming.  

macro=group, emanations at large= world, universe, the eagles reflective furrow of infinite time and space.  

Luminous alignment, is an agreement, though we may not agree on things Michael, we still have agreed to share this particular cluster of emanations. From my perspective though there are an infinity of Michaels and I will align with the one that is most beneficial for the moment.

[Michael]

Let me look at this: my AP would seem to me to be a point prescribed by my own attention and will. I accept it is influenced by the world and people around me, but it's not really the collective bundle of APs of beings within my world. It is definitely influenced by those collective APs, but actually it is in essence a personal point.

So I would be inclined to think of the earth's AP as being personal to it - again, influenced by the APs of beings alive within its field of awareness, but not a summation of those APs unless we think of the earth as non-living thing. If we see the earth as an individualised living being, then it would have to have its own individualised AP.

Thus, if I changed my AP, then that small aspect of influence I might have over the vastness of the earth, would shift, and to the extent the earth took any interest whatsoever in me, it might adapt its AP in some nano-micro way. Unless of course, my shift was only within an already absorbed range of possibilities embedded within the earth's AP route. I mean, no individual's AP is static - it shifts within a circuit of highly familiar variations.

I think the difficulty I am having is that I sense nemo, you are somehow equating the earth's AP with my personal AP. That the earth's AP is my reflection. I suppose that could be called 'my' earth, as opposed to the 'earth's' earth.

If I thought of it that way, then I would be saying the 'earth' exists only within my AP, thus for me to shift my own AP, would indeed shift the earth's AP, because this thing I call the earth, only actually exists within my own perceptual reflection.

[nemo]

Maybe at this point it would be best for me to rely on some cut and past

The Eagles Gift

The Eagle- the power that governs the destinies of all living things- reflects equally and at once all those living things.

I had confronted don Juan with the question of how the rule became known to man. He explained that the rule was endless and covered every facet of a warrior's behavior. The interpretation and the accumulation of the rule is the work of seers whose only task throughout the ages has been to see the Eagle, to observe its ceaseless flux. From their observations, the seers have concluded that, providing the luminous shell that comprises one's humanness has been broken, it is possible to find in the Eagle the faint reflection of man. The Eagle's irrevocable dictums can then be apprehended by seers, properly interpreted by them, and accumulated in the form of a governing body.

His benefactor had told him that at the moment of crossing, one enters into the third attention, and the body in its entirety is kindled with knowledge. Every cell at once becomes aware of itself, and also aware of the totality of the body. His benefactor had also told him that this kind of awareness is meaningless to compartmentalized minds. Therefore the crux of the warrior's struggle was not so much to realize that the crossing over stated in the rule meant crossing to the third attention, but rather to conceive that there exists such an awareness at all.

nemo said:

What is reflected must be seen to be the totality of the self and understood to be a working perspective.


Micheal the belief in separation is not the eagles reflection, the eagle reflects everything all at once and equally. Human first attention , and second attention reflect separation.

[nemo]

Micheal you made an edit after my post, i believe it to be the last paragraph. Yes to that part

[Michael]

I just corrected a typo.
I'll think more about your earlier post later.

I think a lot of misconnection between us has to do with my not getting at what you mean when you refer to the earth, so that was why I tried to seek some clarification there first.

[Michael]

What you see is a reflection of the self
...
The singularity of the world is an illusion/There is no single world at large, only unique perceptions in time within a tonal of the times.

Much of your other comments we have covered, and I don't have any further to say on them.

But there is a theme in your writing, some examples of reflected in the quotes above, which I find leaning towards a somewhat dangerous recent (and ancient) fashion in thought.

The fashionable thought is that the world is a personal construct, an illusion, such that everything which happens out there in the world is only your own view. There really is no climate change, no war in Iraq, no government demanding you follow laws, no cholesterol in your veins, no problems with smoking, no developer about to buy up your home and build a supermarket, no corruption, no evil man with a gun pointing at you, and no beauty or healthy society and environment which is worth engaging on behalf of to foster.

Now the difficulty is that this view is based on a deep truth, but it also is one sided to the danger of isolating a person from the world, in a mental illusion of it's own.

I don't mind what way a person constructs their own theory of everything, but it should have a consequence of engagement, not isolation, of participation, not rejection. However, if I were to posit a theory in support of that, it would be that although everything we perceive is only an option and only 'within' ourselves, that doesn't deny the existence of a reality beyond our reflection.

The earth I see may only be a reflection, but that doesn't mean there is not a being out there within which I exist, and which itself exists regardless of my existence. How I perceive it is about my reflections, but it exists beyond my perceptions. What it is in 'reality' I cannot know because I will always interpret, and when I die, my interpretation also dies, but that doesn't mean that thing I refer to as the earth dies. It is true that the world dies when I die, but that's only the totality of my world - there will remain an energetic essence out there, just that it's far beyond my obsessive view of it.

Thus we as aspirants to potentiality, have to engage and struggle with all the energetic essences we interact with beyond our own. The battle to bring about health within and without is critical to our own progress in spirit. How we do that is our choice, so to get others to simply change their mind, is perfectly fine, so long as you realise you won't rid the globe of ebola by simply thinking it doesn't exist.

When I say 'ancient' above, one reference, is that this problem had to be resolved by Buddhism. They chose to classify existence into absolute reality and relative reality. Absolute reality had not separated or even existing essence, but we are forced by life to live within relative reality, and to disregard it rules in life was a bad mistake. We have to participate fully in relative reality as well as not forgetting absolute reality - to move between the two.

[nemo]

It would be hard to continue without challenging your view and what you say and this has not been and is still not my intent. I knew your cup was full when I started with my view. I am quite comfortable with not continuing, so I leave it up to you in how you would like to proceed if at all. Maybe a new thread.

 Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit


http://youtu.be/piWCBOsJr-w

 

[Michael]

Yes, I will continue:

To pursue the Buddhist construct on this matter:

Take the example of trying to pull a fence post out of the ground.

If I use this example symbolically as a principle I employ in all difficult endeavours:

My approach is to, at first, switch into absolute reality, whereby I visualise the post coming out easily, lying on the ground, all participants in the exercise standing around satisfied. This part of the process is very important, whereby I consciously choose the frame that is: ease of extrusion, and satisfactory conclusion.

Now, if I had enormous power, this step would be sufficient in itself. I could jump directly to that frame with no further effort on my or any participant's part. But, and this is a critical aspect, would I want to? Let's consider how CC came to meet DJ. Did it ever occur to anyone why DJ was sitting in a bus terminal? I mean, he had no need to catch buses - he could trans-locate to anywhere he wished. The answer is obvious if you think about - where is the fun, and where the opportunity for spiritual traction when you skip the mundane world? From DJ's perspective, he would have not met CC if he simply jumped to his destination.

I say, 'spiritual traction' for a purpose. Because it's not just a matter of opening possibilities for an advanced adept, it is also the very process through which we gain the power necessary to bypass the mundane road. We need the everyday struggle and concentration to built personal power.

Thus I need to push and pull the fence post, to struggle with how-on-earth-I-am-going-to-get-that-damn-thing-out-of-the-ground, precisely because that is the foundation of acquiring spiritual power. This is why DJ and DG roped CC into struggling to the limits of all their strength to dig a tree root out of the ground - they didn't even care to have it out, but they knew the struggle and effort were absolutely essential to the Path. Meaning: relative reality is not just an illusion, it is precisely the reality through which we must engage to gain access to absolutely reality, so long as we engage correctly!

Thus Nemo, what you describe is correct in one reality. But it lacks the essential counterpart of how to arrive at that reality, which is the relative reality.

(And I haven't even begun on culture - the soul of meaning. But that will have to wait another day.)

Last, I should offer you some of my seeing Nemo:

What you see is a reflection of the self

I knew your cup was full when I started with my view.

Meaning, who is the one who continues to refuse to discuss another's view in this entire thread?
Come on Nemo, get those peddles moving...  there are some big hills up ahead.

[nemo]

But Micheal it seems like you don't get that I see and understand your view. Its not something foreign to me, or something I disagree with even. Your emphasis is slightly skewed in that regard, just using it to invalidate another view. Which is similar to me talking  Japanese cars and their attributes, while you keep bringing up how much you like European cars. 

Maybe you should just go on about your view for a while, and get it out of your system, and I will then be assured that I am not mistaken, in what i said above.