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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #120 on: April 06, 2013, 08:24:42 PM »
Like I said don't assume you can see me, and that stands twofold after reading your last post.

If you wish to continue, show that you can interact, without posturing for your position/view.

The steps comment was from Nickosv not me?

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I know perfectly well you will reject everything I have said here, and consider I have no knowledge, nor authority to claim such, of who you are and where you are. You will claim I am welcome to my view, and you to yours. You will pack you bags and leave believing you have been misunderstood by an ignorant and stupid man. You will prefer to cling to your view like a priest to his crucifix, rather than change your direction.

Well happy to get that out of your system. Something like this from someone I respected just saddens me. It has been brewing for sometime i suppose. You are implying things here that are inappropriate, seeing I have stated I am only offering another view, now you are not just rejecting my view, you are insinuating that I must listen to your superior view.

I ask you again how many earths are there in your view? Answer it this time and let's move on.

 




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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2013, 03:25:15 AM »
I can see the hinge between the two so kick it out , lets have the view without two . Lol . Unless you will prefer to stop on the road to this cobblestone , or else roll on

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #122 on: April 08, 2013, 06:41:41 PM »
Michael, I 'll get back to your question

About how to become total / and free to add my own term

I 'm having a picture of a being - intermission: My only believe currently is that our essence is just a flame - that is connected with a number of filaments.(Not talking about emanations for all that I have in mind)

The idea to process would be these filaments to get off the being, ..if they are sticked to us, to get unsticked.If there are 'having a hold with us' to lose their power. And so forth.

Tell me your ideas ....
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #123 on: April 08, 2013, 08:32:29 PM »
If you feel a backing up from me,
 
ask me questions.

The idea I have circulates about these filaments are hinged with reason or, to use the term 'ration' for you to grasp my picture perhaps better.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #124 on: April 09, 2013, 01:58:14 AM »
Michael, I 'll get back to your question

About how to become total / and free to add my own term

I 'm having a picture of a being - intermission: My only believe currently is that our essence is just a flame - that is connected with a number of filaments.(Not talking about emanations for all that I have in mind)

The idea to process would be these filaments to get off the being, ..if they are sticked to us, to get unsticked.If there are 'having a hold with us' to lose their power. And so forth.

Tell me your ideas ....

Not a bad question, if I understand it. To achieve something like the 'freedom' that has been spoken of in this thread, just remember a great line by DJ, that we seek freedom without ever knowing what it is. That means we have a core yearning for something we intimately know, yet we don't know - we just head off in some sensed direction.

But that has almost always led back in a loop. To reach past the surface tension of our furrow entrapment, we need to take advise from those who have studied and succeeded in the past. And we need more than one technique, because we have this strange enemy that dresses up in all the things we use to fight it.

One is to divest our being of all the 'filaments' of the world within us. There are essentially two fields of action for this. One is in the meditation-contemplation field. The other is in the sophisticated arranging our outer world.

Speaking to you Nik, I'd say you should begin the recapitulation exercises explained in CC's book, including the head turning part, which CC confusingly gave conflicting instructions for over the years. That exercise is also in Buddhism, without the head turning. I spoke of this in my book, but left out the head turning part, as I though it was a bit far-fetched for most people. But I do believe it to be a fantastic trick - always adding a physical movement to any inner process increases it's power enormously.

From the other side - arranging the outer world - I'd suggest you should begin the process of removing yourself from all your family connections. Making your own money, living in a distant place from your family and friends. This should be prepared for gradually. Piece by piece you sever the social, material and psychological links to your past. We do it piece by piece. In my case, I built a new identity in secret, then choose the moment to leave. Around this time, I had a dream:

In the dream, I was secretly building a very fast red sports car in my garage. It had to be fast because I had to get to the border before the authorities knew, and closed the gates. One day, I knew the time had come. I opened the garage door, and launched forth in my red sports car. I zoomed straight for the border, which was in a tunnel. I could see the man at the gate had got the phone call as I approached, and he flicked the leaver to bring down the gate. I just passed underneath at a terrific speed as it was coming down. Once passed, I drove off into the most beautiful country, with paddocks of green and mountains - free from the clutches of the authorities.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #125 on: April 09, 2013, 02:05:23 AM »
thanks your info are valuable.

I 'll add more in the future probably.

Nikk

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I do wonder what others have to say as well,
like Nemo
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Nik
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« Reply #126 on: April 09, 2013, 04:20:33 AM »
I see what you are saying nikos in a similar way , although for me it is the flame in my vision which is looking to break free from being inhibited to touch everything outside and become big , so the part that is the flame is intimately familiar with a beautiful state of grace , and the density of a sheath like layer holds it in tact to have to work at that , i think honesty can carry somebody very far , and it is an honesty that is spoken by the body , it lets us know when something is escaping our honesty because it ripples through in a way that stops "us" . It is quite unfamiliar in part , because we get used to the density i pointed at taking the reigns in a kind of known mask as the immediately wired route of familiarity . The flame is "beneath" but present , it is the part that will grow big by following that honesty , the curioUus being we are , that constantly is tested and testing our boundaries.
I breath memories out as they arise sometimes like bubbles floating to the top of a stream they come back to me.
At the moment i am testing the practice of our path behind us being the drive for the path ahead , so personally i don"t really recapitulate or separate the two "flame / density" as i find that to be a separation , and in what i am saying is also a truth and a non truth , because in order to apply that sometimes it is in catching the separation and becoming unity with everything requires waking up to the fact that of being judgemental and trapped by the division between two. 

I suppose i see the way out of it as living absolute truth to circumstance , which is a journey able to not stay fixed . Like poetry .

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #127 on: April 09, 2013, 04:28:19 AM »
Please understand my take is my individual path also , and has also been subject to the bumps and pressures imposed within that way also . And also to my own inner navigation through that process . It is definately fixed to that . I am contemplating soon building a hole in the earth for the purposes of see where that space takes me also , re , recap / meditation . so many jobs lately . It is a hunch keeps coming . :)

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #128 on: April 09, 2013, 04:30:50 AM »
I had mean" t to say definately NOT fixed to that :)

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #129 on: April 09, 2013, 04:47:50 AM »
Nick, There are many spiritual traditions that have within their makeup retreats, and for a time through my twenties I felt a calling to a monastic life, away from all the, what I call now the first attention energetics, back then it was something more direct, the seeming need to act out of integrity to survive.

I believe that freedom is recognizable, and total freedom begins to coalesce into something as we become more complete and integrated beings. The need to get away from ones history, such as in my wish to go to some monastery and Michaels change in identity, the recapitulation and so on. Can be accomplished by simply spending more time in nature and silencing the mind, if something keeps popping up then it is still energetically connected to you and needs to be addressed more thoroughly with the recap. The need for wholesale uprooting I suppose is still an option, but why bother.

Being complete is not that complex either, if you feel the need for something external for validation, like a partner, status and so on then the sense of feeling whole comes from without. What happens when that validating thing is taken away, is always a good question to ask.

Any passion such as in music or art, is good to delve into and listen to your heart for direction in all things.

Of course what worked for me is not universal, each of us has our own predilections and inexorable path. That's why I prefer to give a view as I see it, not a way to be as some demand it.

Ah runningstream we were writing at the same time.






All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #130 on: April 09, 2013, 11:33:37 AM »
I see what you are saying nikos in a similar way , although for me it is the flame in my vision which is looking to break free from being inhibited to touch everything outside and become big , so the part that is the flame is intimately familiar with a beautiful state of grace , and the density of a sheath like layer holds it in tact to have to work at that , i think honesty can carry somebody very far , and it is an honesty that is spoken by the body , it lets us know when something is escaping our honesty because it ripples through in a way that stops "us" . It is quite unfamiliar in part , because we get used to the density i pointed at taking the reigns in a kind of known mask as the immediately wired route of familiarity . The flame is "beneath" but present , it is the part that will grow big by following that honesty , the curioUus being we are , that constantly is tested and testing our boundaries.
I breath memories out as they arise sometimes like bubbles floating to the top of a stream they come back to me.
At the moment i am testing the practice of our path behind us being the drive for the path ahead , so personally i don"t really recapitulate or separate the two "flame / density" as i find that to be a separation , and in what i am saying is also a truth and a non truth , because in order to apply that sometimes it is in catching the separation and becoming unity with everything requires waking up to the fact that of being judgemental and trapped by the division between two. 

I suppose i see the way out of it as living absolute truth to circumstance , which is a journey able to not stay fixed . Like poetry .

Nice running stream, I 've read and agreed with that from a point of sense.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #131 on: April 10, 2013, 03:59:39 AM »
thanks your info are valuable.

I 'll add more in the future probably.

.....

I do wonder what others have to say as well,
like Nemo

Let me interpret this. What you are saying Nik is, 'Yes, thanks, sounds good, but ... just not now - later ... maybe. For now, I'd just like a good conversation, as that's fun.'

But what if you have little time left? Are you going to put your run off until it's too late?
You see in my view, there is only the run. We have a choice in life, run or fall, the swim or the drown. It's a choice I make on the best way to live.

I'll give you an image to work with while you sit and delay your run:
Life is a descending escalator. If you stand still, you travel down. To even hold the same level, you have to at least walk up at the same speed the escalator is descending. To ascend, you have to walk faster, and you can never stop.

Many people get confused by the concept of infinity surrounding us. Truth is not in the imminence of infinity, truth is in our inability to connect with that infinity. The lazy side of us just wants to connect by accepting the existence of infinity. The mature side knows that acceptance is only the first step. The next step is changing the command. That means we reset our 'face' towards the path of learning - leaning constantly into the unknown. Not in our chair, but in our actions!

To change the command, we have to give up the luxury of 'not now ... later'. Now means now. At some point a decisive decision has to be embraced to change our comfort from sitting to running. Change our comfort from watching to racing - become an adventurer. Pull the stagnant energy up from your feet to your gut. Learn how to prance.

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Now Lady Gregory was Yeats' patron, this Irish person, and though I'd never seen her image, I was just sure that this was the face of Lady Gregory.

So I'm walking along, and Lady Gregory turns to me and says,
"Let me explain to you the nature of the universe. Philip K. Dick is right about time, but he's wrong that it's 50 A.D. Actually, there's only one instant, and it's right now, and it's eternity.  And it's an instant in which God is posing a question, and that question is basically, 'Do you want to be one with eternity? Do you want to be in heaven?'

And we're all saying, 'No thank you. Not just yet.'

And so time actually is just this constant saying No to God's invitation. That's what time is, and it's no more 50 A.D. than it's 2001. There's just this one instant, and that's what we're always in."

Then she tells me that actually, this is the narrative of everyone's life. That behind the phenomenal differences, there is but one story, and that's the story of moving from No to Yes. All of life is like, "No thank you, no thank you, no thank you," then ultimately it's, "Yes, I give in, yes, I accept, yes, I embrace." That's the journey.

Everyone gets to Yes in the end, right?
[from the film Waking Life]

Wrong - not everyone gets to Yes. We all have to use our audacity. Timidity leads into the mouth.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #132 on: April 10, 2013, 05:39:22 AM »

Michael, can you oblige a dead dog to sit up and dance ?

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« Reply #133 on: April 10, 2013, 01:49:42 PM »
Nemo thanks, for your inputs.

I 'd like to keep nature as the best 'resort' form all that you said.

In my view guidance is everywhere on the path, but not always ...uh visible / available.

Not much can be said, as Michael says the time is now and is a small part of eternity -for our Earth experience.

My best wishes to you.

P.S. Michael likes his view to be the only one valid.
Just saying.To each their own and with his own pace.His own consequences for his/her actions taken and his/her own victories for the enterprises he undertook.
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« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2013, 06:06:43 PM »
P.S. Michael likes his view to be the only one valid.

You must not have been reading my posts Nik. I have constantly given multiple approaches, some of which I have said I don't agree with, but still like.

If there is one view I have consistently prosecuted, it is against complacency.