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Title: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on May 12, 2007, 01:53:40 PM
I have been waiting for an appropriate time to start this area, and now looks good. I want to introduce a lot of ideas and stories from Gurdjieff, as for us who have been influenced by CC's books, Gurdjieff is one of the most similar characters I know.

Just as a background, Gurdjieff came from the Armenia area of Southern Caucasus, and he travelled widely with the sole intent of acquiring knowledge. He was caught up in the political struggles in old Russia, at one time being put forward as a challenger to Rasputin. he of course had his own agenda and wanted none of that, although the story of his political involvements is untold as far as I know - considering he was into everything and anything, it wouldn't surprise me if there is a story there.

He began teaching in Russia, in two separate towns, with two separate groups, with two completely separate approaches, at the same time. One was more intellectual than the other. When the war became critical, he escorted a group of his people out of Russia over the mountains, through many dangerous adventures, till they eventually ended up in Turkey (I think, or close to around there), where he met a famous dancer and took over her classes to teach his Sufi dance methods.

Eventually he settled in France at his now renown Fontainebleau, where he attempted to set up a dynamic of learning, that would operate as a high level energy machine to affect the course of humanity. He failed at this much to his disappointment, and astonishment at the forces that arose to thwart him - I gather he was considerably disturbed by that, although he did succeed partially.

The noticeable thing about Gurdjieff is that he gave only pieces of information to everyone, so that it was only later people put some of those pieces together. Each piece on its own was not fully useful without the pieces he gave to others. This meant that much that you read and hear is partial, and that one day, you come across a snippet that makes some other part you heard, completely change meaning.

We know of him through his books, the books of those who knew and worked with him, plus an ongoing group of people who have a direct link back, and to whom a wholy different set of knowledge was imparted, esp his dance. I have had no experience with that organisation, although I did hear one principle person in Australia speak on the radio once, and I was very impressed indeed - and that does not often happen.

My knowledge of him and his work comes from his own written material, his music, and a wide selection of books by others who were affected by him. There is such a wide and varied array of people who knew him, and were affected by him, and each of their stories is so different. Also I am aware of large volumes of transcripts from his workshops at Fontainebleau, but I haven't studied those either, although someone in my town does have them.

I want to relate teaching stories from or about him, and to bring his considerable force for absolute dedication to spiritual advancement, into this forum, as I have been more impressed with him than almost any other except DJ. But he was a trickster of the highest order, so you have to keep digging to get the bone - that was his whole philosophy, if you don't make effort, you gain nothing.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: elliot on May 12, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
This man Gurdjieff I have heard much talk of over the years in these forums.  Yet I have not once come across any of his written work.  Where would you recommend I start.  I have always been deeply interested in the name and the work. 
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2007, 05:11:24 AM
So, true about making effort. I admit to having been sooo lazy with studying his work. I find my self regularly suprised by snippets I come across. I am in no way an expert, you obviously know more than I, but I love him so much. Now is the time for me to learn more. esp. since you said this:
"Eventually he settled in France at his now renown Fontainebleau, where he attempted to set up a dynamic of learning, that would operate as a high level energy machine to affect the course of humanity. He failed at this much to his disappointment, and astonishment at the forces that arose to thwart him - I gather he was considerably disturbed by that, although he did succeed partially."

I knew of Fontainebleau but I never heard of it described as a high level energy machine designed to affect the course of humanity. This...please don't laugh ;).....has long been my dream. Ever since I started dreaming lofty dreams I thought of creating a school that would bring others to the "light" so to speak. I have even perceived it as you describe it as a "high energy machine".
I know I am no were near where I need to be to create something so great, but I can dream and work my ars off. 

I'm happy you included this section   :-*
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2007, 05:15:33 AM
This man Gurdjieff I have heard much talk of over the years in these forums.  Yet I have not once come across any of his written work.  Where would you recommend I start.  I have always been deeply interested in the name and the work. 

lol, Don't you recall months ago I sent you an e-mail about books you could start with? You said the same thing to me then.

I've gone back to reread one of his books, I will make a post about it and will try to regularly post what I am learning from it, maybe this will help keep me motivated to dig through this weighty material. We'll have to see what I have time for though I don't want to set an unrealistic goal for myself.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: elliot on May 13, 2007, 01:02:07 PM
No I don't.  I don't ever recall recieving an email from you....  Ever.  I'm sorry, do we know each other??
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2007, 10:22:14 PM
Dude!  :P  artnelso@gmail.com

 ::)  we were going to try and meet up? wow. lol. 

see:

http://restlesssoma.com.au/soma/index.php?topic=1421.msg11832#msg11832

ever watch the movie Memento? maybe you need to tattoo these things to your body.   :-*
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: elliot on May 14, 2007, 01:44:45 AM
haahahahahha  got you!!!

lol...
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2007, 03:42:56 AM
rofl. i thought you were serious  ::)

you never know.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: elliot on May 14, 2007, 04:15:24 AM
yeah, humors a rare commodity in these formats.  i'll work on that
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2007, 10:46:56 AM
 ;) a good sense of humor the true path to enlightenment.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Zamurito on June 21, 2007, 09:44:49 AM
Greetings Michael.

Hope you don't mind me chopping up your post. 

Approximately 10 years ago I was shown some information concerning Gurdjieff, but I suppose I wasn't 'ready' at that time to examine it.  I was given two books by Ouspinsky, The Fourth Way, and In Search of the Miraculous.  Started briefly to read one, can't remember which, but nothing came of it.   

Always seems interesting how others may show you material, and it sits until one is ready, then by an omen of some kind, you're drawn back into it.  What's interesting as well, is one of the books, The Fourth Way, I believe, is an original print from 1957.  (I could be wrong on which book it is...I don't have either in front of me.)

Being accepted to this list, and reading in this folder, drew my attention once again back to this information.  Oh, and how interesting it is!

I've completed Meetings with Remarkable Men, and have started on Beezlebub.  I've also performed numerous searches on the Internet for information on Gurdjieff and his Teachings.  Again, I find his 'way' very interesting. 

I have a few more comments interdispursed below.....I'm going to cut out your comments that I'm not referring to, hoping to keep it brief.

He began teaching in Russia, in two separate towns, with two separate groups, with two completely separate approaches, at the same time. One was more intellectual than the other.

This I did not know.  In his book Meetings, I don't recall him mentioning two seperate groups.  I've only read it once, perhaps I've missed it.

When the war became critical, he escorted a group of his people out of Russia over the mountains, through many dangerous adventures, till they eventually ended up in Turkey (I think, or close to around there), where he met a famous dancer and took over her classes to teach his Sufi dance methods.

He failed to mention concerning the 'famous dancer,' or anything concerning Sufi dancing.  Is this is the later books?  I'm on a mission to find all information I can  ;)

The noticeable thing about Gurdjieff is that he gave only pieces of information to everyone, so that it was only later people put some of those pieces together. Each piece on its own was not fully useful without the pieces he gave to others. This meant that much that you read and hear is partial, and that one day, you come across a snippet that makes some other part you heard, completely change meaning.

Interesting.  I'm starting to see that already.  (Concerning pieces of information given to different individuals.) 

Question:  Do you know what the 'trouble' was between the Gurdjieff 'school of thought,' and the Ouspensky 'school of thought?'  Seems some have attempted to make peace, but I sense they are at odds.  Possibly not as much now, but I sense that 50 years ago there 'wasn't much love' between the two schools  ;D 

Also I am aware of large volumes of transcripts from his workshops at Fontainebleau, but I haven't studied those either, although someone in my town does have them.

Now these I'd love to see!  Would you be able to obtain these, or copies of these?  I'd pay to have them shipped, and bandaged up if they're in bad shape. 

Thanks again,

z
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on June 21, 2007, 01:17:41 PM
hello Zam, i'll try to give a few responses:

His book Meetings with Remarkable Men is not to be read autobiographically, and so there is an issue about which bits are from his own life and which he has made up to make a point. My guess is that most of it is actual from his life, but he has manipulated it to emphasise specific things.

However, that book has no reference to when he 'went public'. It deals with his own explorational journeys for knowledge. Once that time was complete he returned to Russia. From then on he never discussed much about his actual life in his works. In Beelzebub he did talk about his failure to heal his wife from cancer.

In Life Is Real Only Then, When "I Am", which should be read last, he also gave more details of actual events and relationships, but not much.

You have to read other's accounts, and I can't always recall which bits I got from where. A good book of their escape from Russia is the one written by the musician Thomas deHartmann and his wife, who was very interesting also. There are so many books, I'll take a look in my library sometime to reference some.

Ouspensky is an awkward connection. The Fourth Way is G's ideas which he told O in those early days in Moscow or St Petersburg - I forget which - and O did more work himself to understand. I know nothing of O's following, except that he was quite popular. G kept him at a distance because like many others he failed a crucial test, and O was devastated that he could never regain his intimate connection with G.

The Fourth Way is interesting, and worth reading although I only got through a third of it myself. The commonly held view is that O was never able to actualise this knowledge, which is a reason why G stopped that kind of intellectual teaching, as he saw it was extremely limited in result.

There is one very interesting book by O about this split, and some very psychic experiences he had with G. G apparently told him he had to do something, to break the hold of his 'Chief Feature', which O refused to relate and refused to accept. That is the way of our Chief Feature - G said you could destroy someone by presenting them with it before they are ready.

Sufi (? - everything with G is an admix) dancing was his main thing - he even said of himself that he was a dance teacher. I believe you have to join his ongoing organisation to get that line of his knowledge.

I very much doubt I could get you the workshop material, as I haven't seen that man for over 20 years, although I have recently heard he still lives here. I have never seen those volumes anywhere else, but they must be available somewhere.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Zamurito on June 22, 2007, 01:40:07 PM
Thank you Michael for your reply.

z
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on June 22, 2007, 09:06:54 PM
thanks for the question - i love gurdjieff
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on March 19, 2009, 09:39:14 PM
G was escaping from Russia during the revolution troubles - he was guided his group over the mountains and through close encounters to the southern areas of safety.

It was highly dangerous, and in the middle, the musician, Thomas de Hartmann, fell ill.

They had to find help for the man, so G and the de Hartmann's wife Olga, travelled in an old cart to somewhere for treatment, then returned. It was a long and tiring journey. Olga stayed beside her husband the whole way, helping him in any way she could.

On the return journey, G looked around and looked at Olga - she later said this was the first time he really noticed her. She was completely exhausted - G reached out and touched her forehead with his finger. She immediately felt a wave of new energy flood into her, so she could keep going and tend to Thomas.

What happened, was that G realised for the first time that Olga was a person of 'substance'. A very rare thing. It was the degree of pushing herself way beyond her limitations that caught his attention.

G fell in love with Olga, but this is little known. It was only at their last meeting, years later in France, that she recounted something. G used her extensively, even after Thomas died, as one of the main people in his establishment. She was part of the main frame of his activities, always doing the books or whatever her tasks.

G wanted to sleep with her at the last - he was keen on sex - but she refused. They said good bye at the train station, and Olga saw something very unusual in G's eyes. He said something to her, and she never saw him again.

Very very few people possess the ability to do their tasks no matter what, and push themselves beyond their known boundaries, into the that world of deep power that all have but never find.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GnaaXk9OxA0&hl=en&fs=1
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on March 28, 2009, 03:19:56 AM
Now for another little story. From Beelzebub's tales, Shouting to the Town.

Upon the hill, at the end of town, stood the railway. There was a man who's job it was to signal the departing of the train with a loud horn. This was just his job you understand - not his choice. I mean some people are respected in society, like doctors and shoe repair men. But a man who blows a loud horn across the town at six o'clock every morning, is not in a good position to receive warm fury feelings from the community.

He often wondered why he felt so wan and depressed every morning.

Then one day he had a flash of insight, and realised the obvious. Every living thing in town was cursing him at six o'clock every morning.

So one day he decided he's had enough, and next morning, before he pulled the horn cable, he turned to the town and shouted obscenities at the top of his voice to all and sundry. Then he let the horn rip.

That morning he felt much better than many a year, and he eventually became a tourist attraction, known as the Swearing Railwayman. People would come for miles to witness this jolly man profuse.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: tangerine dream on March 28, 2009, 03:53:02 AM
 8)
lol
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Firestarter on March 28, 2009, 04:05:29 PM
I dare say it was his calling.

Now for another little story. From Beelzebub's tales, Shouting to the Town.

Upon the hill, at the end of town, stood the railway. There was a man who's job it was to signal the departing of the train with a loud horn. This was just his job you understand - not his choice. I mean some people are respected in society, like doctors and shoe repair men. But a man who blows a loud horn across the town at six o'clock every morning, is not in a good position to receive warm fury feelings from the community.

He often wondered why he felt so wan and depressed every morning.

Then one day he had a flash of insight, and realised the obvious. Every living thing in town was cursing him at six o'clock every morning.

So one day he decided he's had enough, and next morning, before he pulled the horn cable, he turned to the town and shouted obscenities at the top of his voice to all and sundry. Then he let the horn rip.

That morning he felt much better than many a year, and he eventually became a tourist attraction, known as the Swearing Railwayman. People would come for miles to witness this jolly man profuse.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: tangerine dream on March 29, 2009, 01:43:11 AM
I dare say it was his calling.


LOL
No pun intended?
ha
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Angela on March 30, 2009, 02:49:46 AM

Very very few people possess the ability to do their tasks no matter what, and push themselves beyond their known boundaries, into the that world of deep power that all have but never find.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GnaaXk9OxA0&hl=en&fs=1

Do you think this is because very few people possess the ability to Identify their tasks in the first place?
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on October 07, 2009, 01:10:57 AM
Gurdjieff left home for the first time, about the age of 11, to explore the mysteries. He eventually travelled widely but mostly in the area of Armenia and Turkestan. It is important in understanding Gurdjieff to know that this area was for a very long time, one of the primary centres of civilisation and spiritual knowledge. It is a very mysterious area, and there are still hidden schools of Sufis who live in remote places throughout this area - especially Turkestan.

The Sufis from this area were recipients of schools of knowledge that date back to what was perhaps one of the greatest flowerings of humanity in its physical and spiritual potential. I speak of the early Babylonian times, as in the time of Hammurabi.

They were highly influenced by Buddhist teachings, and lived in a constantly changing and often very violent political landscape. Perhaps due to this, they developed a very practical spirituality. They were devoted to human evolution as much as they were to personal growth.

Thus Gurdjieff also had these two threads to his efforts and teachings. He was extremely dedicated to the future of humanity, and was highly influential in bringing the teachings of these hidden schools into the mainstream of spiritual knowledge for the world. Many ideas we now accept in various forms, first came through via Gurdjieff.

He was able to gain access to many forbidden places, because he worked as an 'agent' for various political powers - especially Russia before the revolution. He was well known and considered very dangerous by the British intelligence services. He often played as double agent - anything that could be useful to him in learning what he wanted to know, he was willing to use.

He spent time as a Tibetan lama, where he learnt much about the acquiring of psychic power. In fact he became expert in acquiring and using psychic powers, to such an extent, that it became an embedded feature of his identity. He even worked for years as a magician. He always claimed to posses the unique ability to penetrate to the most hidden recesses of knowledge, of any group he encountered, in the shortest possible time.

At a critical age, we awoke to the fact that he had devoted himself to acquiring powers, but not spirituality. This changed his life, and he subsequently spend much time in Yezidi Sufi schools, eventually gaining access to the most arcane of the schools of knowledge.

At one point, he changed from acquiring knowledge, and devoted himself to learning how best to transmute this knowledge to others. He spent a long time in testing out many ideas and many types of people, until finally he set up his Institute in France.

There are a few things one needs to know about Gurdjieff.

First, he considered any type of devotion to himself by his followers, as extremely detrimental to not only his followers, but also himself. To avoid this, he constantly used techniques to seed distrust and suspicion in the minds of his followers. Or simply frustration and infuriation. Basically he placed barriers in the consciousness of his followers to prevent any tendency towards devotion and dependence upon himself.

This was a huge issue for him - he saw this tendency as being one of the main causes of hypnosis of the human consciousness. His whole focus was to break this 'sleep' in people.

Another technique which he used for the same purpose, was to adopt a personality which was counter to his true self. Many people were put off by his blatant sense of being a pretender. All who knew him, were in no doubt that they didn't know him, and that infuriated them, as his façade was so obvious yet impenetrable.

Second, and of ultimate essence to understanding his method, he held to the understanding that all parts of the being had to be simultaneously engaged to the absolute limit for long periods. We are aware of the importance of self-remembrance and inner silence as the cornerstones of 'meditation'. To this, Gurdjieff added unresolvable physical difficulty, and constant striving for emotional balance. All these had to be practiced at the same time.

The physical and emotional difficulties were to be of a kind that can never be resolved to a point of familiarity. It is no good learning some difficult action, like a skill or dance, as the opportunity of usefulness closed as soon as one became proficient. The difficulties had to be ongoing, and never just a temporary phase or 'mountain' to overcome, after which one could rest. They were a permanent feature for life.

Out of subjecting himself to enormous problems and constant obstacles, always with the right attitude of willingness, awareness, and importantly intention - ie one had to choose difficulty - he generated in himself vast amounts of energy with which he was able to apply himself to an incredible output of activity.

We often feel that we could make progress better, if only the problems of our life were resolved, and we could devote ourselves fully to our spiritual journey. He saw it differently. He saw that all difficulties were a precious gift, and far from straining to remove them, he piled on more and more. He sought that state of inner tension between outer conditions and inner dedication - the greater the tension, the more friction one feels with one's environment compared with one's deepest soul, the more there is to gain.

And what was it he sought to gain?

The third point - you have to understand his view of the difference between personality and essence. I will post later, a good text on this. What he sought was the evolution of essence. Personality he enjoyed, and advocated freedom from, plus the ability to change consciously from within.

But essence was almost impossible to enhance, and that was the goal of all his efforts for himself and for his followers. Essence alone had the power to survive death, with the storing of sufficient power in essence.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: TIOTIT on October 07, 2009, 12:01:01 PM
A long article on the kundabuffer....

Gurdjieff’s Views on the Origins of War on Planet Earth

by Ralph Metzner: from Green earth Foundation

G. I. Gurdjieff, who was one of the most remarkable spiritual teachers of the 20th century, was born in the 1870s, in the Caucasus region near Kurdistan, of mixed Greek and Armenian ancestry. This region, at the gateway between Europe and Asia, was one where for hundreds of years, peoples of many different nationalities and languages migrated, co-existed and often fought. In his younger years he traveled extensively in Central Asia (including Tibet), and the Middle East (including Egypt); in his later years in Europe, especially France, and making several visits to America. Having experienced both Russian Revolutions, as well as both World Wars (he died in 1949), he certainly had ample opportunity to study the nature and origins of war and violence at first hand. His teaching of practices of self-remembering and harmonious development, sometimes referred to as a Fourth Way teaching, was unique and original, although several writers have identified elements of Islamic Sufism, Greek and Russian Orthodox Christianity, Western esoteric, gnostic and hermetic traditions, as well as Buddhism and very ancient Asian, including Zoroastrian mystical traditions. In his writings and recorded talks, he himself stated repeatedly that his study of the causes of the “processes of reciprocal destruction” was one of the chief preoccupations of his life.

When he was living and teaching in Russia during the first decade of the 20th century, his talks were recorded in P.D. Ouspensky’s In Search of the Miraculous. Here, like the Buddhists, he emphasized the unconscious, sleep-like condition of ordinary human existence, captivated by external influences over which we had no control, and that we could only hope to awaken and free ourselves from these forces by deliberate and intentional practices of self-remembering, which is similar to the Buddhist emphasis on mindfulness. War, he said, was due to cosmic forces, or planetary influences. Just like when two people pass too near each other in the street causing momentary discomfort, two planets coming too near each in their orbits may result in tension, only momentary at the planetary scale – but on Earth, for a period of several years, “millions of sleeping men may start slaughtering other millions of sleeping men”.

In his later years, when he was living and teaching in France, at his Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man, he wrote his All and Everything – Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson, he expounded a much more involved and elaborate esoteric, historic, mythic tale, with his characteristic and undoubtedly deliberate admixture of the fantastic, symbolic and obscure. His declared aim, in his writing, was not so much to inform or give opinions or theories, but to stimulate his readers to conscious intelligent thinking, and the development of what he called “objective conscience”. With these reservations in mind, it is astonishing to note how much the stories that Gurdjieff unfolds, overlap with the esoteric histories that we have been discussing, and modern views from UFO/ET research.

To begin with, the whole first volume (1200 pages long) of All and Everything, – Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson – is cast as an elaborate travel narrative, told on a spaceship, by Beelzebub (the name of a deity from Babylonian mythology), to his grandson Hassein. Beelzebub describes six “descents” he has made to the planet Earth, at different time periods in history, to different continents and countries, including Atlantis, India, Tibet, and America; and describes at great length with many and elaborate complex details, using numerous neologisms seemingly pasted together from different languages, the characteristics, problems and possibilities of humans, or as he says, addressing Hassein, – “those three-brained beings that interest you so much.” These six “descents” could be interpreted as meaning six human incarnations of a highly developed soul, on a quest for greater understanding of the human condition; or they could also be interpreted as actual descents in an actual space-ship, at different time periods, by visitors from another world, with a vastly advanced system of cosmic knowledge, making observations on planet Earth. In the course of the narrative, Beelzebub-Gurdjieff refers repeatedly to certain “messengers sent from above”, human incarnations of very high beings, who established religious teachings on Earth, including Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and especially a certain “Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash”, who taught on Earth during the ancient Sumero-Babylonian civilization (Shamash is also the name of a Sumerian deity). In addition to these, Beelzebub-Gurdjieff also refers, in his stories, to “Angels”, “Archangels” and even a “High Commission” of “sacred beings”, who are also engineers, physicists, or chemists, with whom he has conversations (i.e. or as we would say today, who he “channels”), and who have come to Earth at various times to address certain cosmic planetary problems that had arisen.

Chapter 43 of Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson, entitled “Beelzebub’s Survey of the Process of the Periodic Reciprocal Destruction of Men”, opens with a passionate query from Hassein, who in trying to understand why humans, with their long history on the planet, and the fact that they have developed many systems of knowledge, still resort to wars: “Don’t they really ever see that these processes of theirs are the most terrible of all the horrors which can possibly exist in the whole of the Universe and don’t they ever ponder on this matter, so that they might become aware of this horror, and find a means of eradicating it?” In response to this question, Beelzebub then launches into a long discussion about the many attempts and agreements made by groups and leaders in various societies, throughout history, to investigate this process and to find ways to eradicate it – referring to the League of Nations as one of the most recent ones. He says that such groups, though usually starting with good intentions, have always tended to disintegrate into increasing divisiveness, as various leaders and groups participating are taken over by egotism and greed, and end up instigating more war and destruction in order to profit from it for themselves and their group.
Beelzebub then discusses some groups of learned beings in ancient times in the regions of Kurdistan and Turkestan, who assembled a conference, which included representatives from six or seven Asiatic and Mediterranean religions and cultures, to address this problem of war. A “learned being” of that time had discovered and then taught, that there appeared to be some kind of natural planetary process, some kind of balancing process on a planetary scale, that constantly alternated periods of overpopulation of animals and humans, with periods of their destruction, regardless of what individuals wanted to do. Wars were totally unconscious, unintentional mass events, over which humans had no control. A key element in this situation was the human practice of dominating nature, that at times involved massive animal sacrifice, (and, one might add, human sacrifice, especially in ancient Meso-America). And Nature had to constantly adapt herself to these destructive practices of humans. This conference also eventually broke up, as the participants proved incapable of dealing with this terrible trap that they had discerned. And whereas the motto of the original peace-seeking society was “Earth free for All”, after the break-up into different factions, the leading motto of some groups became “Earth only for Men”. This is an interesting adumbration of the deep ecology critique of the Judaeo-Christian domination of nature (”thou shalt have dominion over the beasts”).

The teachings of the “Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash”, a “Messenger sent from Above” during the Sumero-Babylonian civilization, aimed toward enhancing the development of objective consciousness and conscience in humans, by cultivating the “sacred being-functions” of faith, hope and love. Since in most humans these functions had already degenerated and were present only in mechanical and emotional forms, only conscious faith, hope and love would suffice, and these were to be developed through “conscious labor and intentional suffering”. (This was also the guiding precept of the “work” that Gurdjieff taught at the Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man). The human condition, in which the development of objective consciousness was blocked, and the sacred being-functions of conscious faith, hope and love had atrophied, was due to the consequences of the “accursed organ kundabuffer”. This organ, according to Beelzebub-Gurdjieff, had been implanted in human beings at the base of the spine, a very long time ago, by a group of “Very High, Very Sacred” angelic scientists, acting on instructions “from Above”. Although the organ kundabuffer was subsequently removed, by other scientist angels, its operation had become crystallized and passed on genetically through the generations, to the point where it became “second nature” in humans.

The maleficent residual consequences of this kundabuffer organ were that the psyche of humans is dominated by egotism, conceit, vanity, selfishness and the like, making it extremely difficult for them to develop objective consciousness and conscience, as well as making humans susceptible to being manipulated and exploited by leaders, warmongers and ideologues for self-serving and profiteering motives. Although Beelzebub-Gurdjieff clearly considers the action and residual consequences of this implanted organ an unmitigated disaster for humans, he does report the results of his investigations and “conversations” with high angelic and archangelic beings as to the origins and intentions behind this genetic implant. Its origin had to do with certain cosmic planetary processes.

It appears that in very ancient times, long before the existence of the continent and civilization of Atlantis, there was a collision of a comet with planet Earth, causing the Moon (and another, undetected fragment) to split off into a satellite orbit. This collision, Beelzebub avers, was due to “miscalculation” on the part of archangelic planetary engineers, monitoring the intersecting orbits of cosmic bodies. It led to a crisis, because in accord with the basic cosmic laws of reciprocal maintenance, certain kinds of radiations and vibrational energies had to be produced on Earth, in order to keep the Moon in a regular orbit around the Earth. These kinds of energies could be produced by life, including human life, either consciously and qualitatively (as was done in certain temples in Atlantis) or unconsciously and quantitatively, through massive die-offs of human and animal populations (as has occurred in various planet-wide catastrophes, including floods, earthquakes, plagues and wars). This perspective was the basis of Gurdjieff’s original, provocative formulation in various talks and writings, that ordinary humans, with undeveloped consciousness, were machines for the transformation of substances that provided “food for the Moon”.
At the time of the original collision and the resulting threat to the maintenance of cosmic harmony in our planetary neighborhood, “a Most High Commission consisting of Angels and Archangels, specialists in the work of World Creation and World Maintenance,” had “come down” from the Central Sun, and decided that this special organ kundabuffer needed to be installed in human beings. This organ was designed to prevent humans from developing objective consciousness, because if they did they would see the “terror of their situation”, namely that the prime purpose of their existence was “to maintain a detached fragment of the planet, and being convinced of their slavery to circumstances utterly foreign to them, they would be unwilling to continue their existence and would destroy themselves.” So the kundabuffer that was installed had two functions: one, to cause human beings to “see reality upside down”, and two, to engender in them sensations of pleasure and enjoyment. After the immediate planetary crisis had passed , a further delegation of archangelic engineers and scientists caused the implant to be removed, but its consequences, as mentioned above, became crystallized and have remained part of human genetic inheritance ever since.

Beelzebub-Gurdjieff does not further explain how exactly the functioning of the organ kundabuffer, originally designed to prevent a kind of suicidal traumatic reaction on the part of humans, then led to the maleficent congenital features we have been laboring under ever since. One could think of the connection this way: “seeing reality upside-down” refers to a kind of perceptual inversion, causing humans to fixate only on the physical plane as real, and ignore the greater realities accessible to objective consciousness, where they would have clearly seen their enslaved condition , i.e. the “terror of their situation.” Furthermore, the enhanced organ capacities for pleasure and enjoyment perhaps provided a kind of tranquilizing balm, which then manifested as addictive overdevelopment of craving that we know as egotism, vanity, conceit, self-importance, greed and the like. Although the original planetary collision crisis which led to the implantation of this perceptual block has long passed, the need for human life on Earth to contribute certain energies for harmonious cosmic functioning remains – and if not provided by the intentional conscious work of humans, these energies are generated automatically by massive population increases and consequent massive die-offs due to natural catastrophes and war.

Gurdjieff, speaking as the space-travelling narrator Beelzebub, as well as quoting his spiritual ancestor the “Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash”, provides two separate rather sobering and mysterious answers to the question of whether war can be eradicated and humans can be saved. At the end of the long chapter on “the processes of periodic reciprocal destruction”, Beelzebub concludes that “if this property of terrestrial beings is to disappear from that unfortunate planet, then it will be with Time alone, thanks either to the guidance of a certain Being with very high Reason or to certain cosmic events.”

At the very end of Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson, after 1200 pages of these extraordinary ruminations and explications, Hassein asks his teacher-grandfather again to state, in a summary way, from “your long-centuried impartial observations and studies of the psyche of the three-centered beings arising on the planet Earth… whether it is still possible by some means or other to save them and to direct them into the becoming path?” Beelzebub then, with great emphasis, replies: “The sole means now for the saving of the beings of the planet Earth would be to implant again into their presences a new organ, an organ like kundabuffer, but this time of such properties that everyone of these unfortunates during the process of existence should constantly sense and be cognizant of the inevitability of his own death as well as the death of everyone upon whom his eyes or attention rests.”

“Only such a sensation and such a cognizance”, he continues, “can now destroy the egotism completely crystallized in them that has swallowed the whole of their Essence and also that tendency to hate others which flows from it – the tendency, namely, which engenders all those mutual relationships existing there, which serve as the chief cause of all their abnormalities unbecoming to three-brained beings and maleficent for them themselves and for the whole of the Universe”.

These two answers reflect a conviction that the underlying causes of war are cosmic-planetary in nature, of which humans are more or less completely unconscious, and over which they have very little or no control. It is possible, but difficult, for individuals to undergo transformations of their psyche, through “conscious labor and intentional suffering”, and, one might add, through psychospiritual yogic and mystical practices, by which they can awaken to their spiritual essence and liberate themselves from the thralldom of unconsciousness. In my own comparative studies of transformative experiences, described in the book The Unfolding Self (Metzner, 1998), I found that the catalyst for the most profound life-changing and worldview-changing turning-points was coming close to confronting one’s own mortality, either through near-death experiences (NDEs), or through the death of a loved one. The death-rebirth Mystery ritual celebrations of ancient times, as well as certain shamanic initiations may have provided this kind of awakening. Psychedelic experiences can provide this kind of insight and awakening, given the appropriate preparation and guidance.

While the individual awakening of consciousness is possible and is certainly our primary responsibility, the transformation of collective consciousness from the bondage created by unconscious cravings and hatreds, in a situation of rapidly deteriorating planetary environments and the slow-motion collapse of civilization, would seem to be a highly improbable, if not totally impossible challenge. It is in this sense that I would understand Gurdjieff-Beelzebub’s seemingly bizarre and improbable prescription.

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There are many themes in this story reminiscent of various Gnostic teachings, according to which Earth has been subject to mistakes and miscalculations on the part of a creator demiurge, and human incarnation is a kind of dungeon or exile. Gurdjieff’s story also has parallels in Sumerian mythology, as interpreted by Sitchin, not surprising in that Gurdjieff himself implicitly refers to his spiritual ancestry in the Sumero-Babylonian civilization. The most striking parallel is in the teachings that humans have been intentionally and deliberately kept in a subservient, slave-like condition by their superiors, to provide certain kinds of energies (whether for mining work or planetary maintenance). The biggest difference though is that Sitchin’s reading of the activities of the Annunaki and their Mesopotamian human underlings is purely concerned with the material level – the “gods” are nothing but long-lived ETs flying around in space-ships. Gurdjieff’s cosmology, on the other hand, reflects the multidimensional nature of cosmic reality and human consciousness, and the “descent” of divine beings and human interactions with them are as much interdimensional as interplanetary events. Other writers on the role of extra-terrestrial interventions in human history and civilization, including William Bramley and Arthur David Horn, have also supposed that deliberate conditioning processes on the part of dominator elites have kept the human workers and slaves unconscious of their inherent but undeveloped spiritual essence and potential autonomy.

Of great interest for me personally, in the light of my research in the psychological aspects of the planetary ecological crisis, is the prescient foreshadowing in this story, of the manner in which the destructive industrial activities of humans, in the reckless pursuit of power and profit, leads to increasingly disastrous consequences for the natural balance of the Gaian biosphere. Indigenous elders, such as the Hopis in the American Southwest and many others, have been warning us in their prophecies for a long time that the balancing adaptations of Nature to the seemingly unconscious , yet also deliberate destructive and exploitative behavior of humans are manifesting, and will be manifesting, in potentially near-total collapse of our planetary civilization.
A distinctive feature of Gurdjieff’s reading of the hidden historic and pre-historic antecedents of war, is that it goes deeper than the simplistic dualisms of good versus evil, or light versus dark forces, pervasive throughout ancient religious mythology and occult histories, as well as much of the UFO/ET literature of modern times. In Gurdjieff’s view, as in Buddhism, the wars and destructiveness, the domination and victimization behaviors of human beings, are the result of unconscious psychic factors in them that block awareness of their spiritual essence, or as the Buddhist say, their inherent “Buddha nature”. And those root unconscious blocking factors were not installed by dominator spirits seeking to enslave us (although such beings may exist at some level), but rather they were the unintended malignant consequences of measures that were taken, by very high supra-dimensional cosmic beings, to stabilize orbital planetary perturbations and ameliorate the potential shock to humans when they would become aware of the dangerous conditions of existence intrinsic to living on planet Earth.

Since Gurdjieff was in the habit of concealing nuggets of information in his neologisms, various readers of his books have speculated on the derivation of the word kundabuffer. One obvious possibility, suggested also by the location of the organ at the base of the spine, is that it refers to a buffer of kundalini energy, which lies coiled at the root chakra at the base of the spine. According to traditional Indian yoga teachings, when the kundalini energy is awakened and connects with the crown chakra, a state of cosmic consciousness can be attained. Gurdjieff himself, in his earlier teachings as recorded by Ouspensky, states however that the kundalini process is completely misunderstood, and in modern times is associated with nothing but fantasy and imagination.

For me, this speculative etymology of the meaning of kundabuffer relates to a somewhat different reading of mankind’s esoteric antecedents that I heard from my teacher of Agni Yoga, an American clairvoyant healer-teacher named Russell Schofield, who died in 1984. Though it was not the main focus of his teaching, which was healing through body-centered light-fire energy work, Schofield did at times make some statements derived from his reading of the akashic record – during a time when he and I were collaborating on an unfinished and unpublished writing project. The akashic record is considered to be the knowledge repository of all past events, at every level of all dimensions, on all planets and everywhere in the Universe. As I have come to understand it, at a certain level of psychospiritual advancement these records can be selectively accessed, when one’s spiritual purpose calls for bringing through that knowledge (as for example, Edgar Cayce who, while in a sleep-state, accessed and recorded knowledge of ancient civilizations like Egypt and Atlantis, in the context of providing healing information for people who consulted him). Since there is no way known to me to independently verify statements derived from such a source, I do not present these views, and those of Gurdjieff, as true, in the conventional sense, but rather as offering “food for thought” and perspectives that can lead to further questioning and searching.

Schofield related that a block or seal was implanted on the generative energy-center by the high-level cosmic light-beings and masters who are guiding human evolution, after the collapse of the continent of Atlantis, because of the misuse of that energy by certain leaders of that civilization. The serpentine generative energy, also called kundalini, whose source is at the root-center, in ordinary human life generates the biological life-force for building cells and maintaining the vitality of the organism (one band of this energy spectrum providing the energy of procreative sex). This energy was used by those Atlantean initiates who were on a dark power path, to create living human-animal hybrids as worker-slaves (as Edgar Cayce had also reported), as well as insects and microbes as biological weaponry for their domination agendas. As a result of this misuse of the generative energy, and to prevent it from recurring, the possibility of actually creating living biological forms was sealed off for humans, and the expression of creative power limited to the mental level only. We can create systems of ideas, designs and images, and give them form in buildings, paintings, music, literature, sculpture, music and all the other forms of art and invention, — but not living matter. The process of implantation of this seal in successive human generations presumably took some time, and involved also the collaboration of advanced human initiates, including the Hebrew King Solomon. The esoteric sigil design known as Solomon’s Seal is said to be an emblem of his participation in this process. (Solomon’s involvement in the kundabuffer story is also mentioned by Gurdjieff, but with a different twist).

To summarize, I have presented two variants of an esoteric teaching regarding an implant in the human energy system that has functioned, and still functions, as a block on the evolution of higher consciousness and a consequent inability to transcend destructive and divisive tendencies inherent in the human condition. In one version, the block was implanted to prevent and forestall further misuse of those higher-frequency energies for power and domination agendas. In the other version, the block was implanted for temporary reasons of cosmic necessity and human welfare, but had the unintended negative consequences of permanently fixating humans into unconsciousness.

Unconsciousness (avidya) or forgetfulness, combined with cravings and hatreds, is the basic human condition of both dominators and slaves, predators and prey, soldiers and traders, the powerful and the poor. That is the curse and the poison of human existence on planet Earth. However, teachers and teachings have appeared, and continue to appear, to show the pathways to remembrance and liberation. New generations of children continue to be born, their innocence intact, into fortunate circumstances of family and community, where the awareness of their spiritual essence can be nurtured and supported. That is the mercy and the blessing, and the precious opportunity of human life.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nichi on October 07, 2009, 01:40:47 PM
First, he considered any type of devotion to himself by his followers, as extremely detrimental to not only his followers, but also himself. To avoid this, he constantly used techniques to seed distrust and suspicion in the minds of his followers. Or simply frustration and infuriation. Basically he placed barriers in the consciousness of his followers to prevent any tendency towards devotion and dependence upon himself.


This seems like a waste of energy on the parts of him and those he was trying to manipulate, and it strikes me he ran the risk of causing his students/apprentices to take steps backward (permanently) instead of forward.  If indeed his goal was to maintain a distance for himself, a finely-honed elusiveness and inaccessibility should have sufficed, minus the distrust-and-suspicion aspects. Once one sees that 'agitation' is the goal, for whatever higher purpose it alleges, it becomes very disappointing and boring. So what purpose does it really serve?

Did his students come to him without their own misery?


Not to mention, after enough of it, a student is likely to shut down to everything going on -- including what might be productive and growth-enhancing.  "I want you to stay out of my space and not trust me -- but do trust me when I say ___thus-and-so___." Why? Why would the student believe anything at all when the teacher has gone to such lengths to prove himself a son-of-a-bitch? 

In short, as a method of dealing with people, I think it sucks.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Firestarter on October 07, 2009, 02:16:07 PM
I think if one of the most important things on the path is to get to who we really are, not who we really are not. If any teacher expects this of their students, to be able to figure out who they are at the core, they need to set the example and be honest in who they are as well, and have nothing to hide. And, of course, trust is a huge issue. Plus doing things with the intent to create mistrust among other students isnt cool. I have to say cant agree with his methods either, and I dont think history showed him very successful with folks. His books may have been helpful, but it only goes that far I think. I cant see folks getting out of his teacher/group/student deal unwounded.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on October 07, 2009, 09:17:44 PM
I am not in a position to judge Gurdjieff's methods. My approach is to understand, or at least gain some insight into them. I will however respond with some bits, as they further comprehension of what has become the 'enigma' of Gurdjieff.

I am not sure Ellen where you get the idea that he wasn't successful with his pupils. After he made the decision to 'bring forth his knowledge', he at first worked with many people in the Theosophical mould - this movement was quite large at the time, in all its variations, even in the Caucasus.

He pulled out of this movement after some time, as he realised the kind of people involved constituted too small a sub-section of 'types'. To understand this you need to be aware of Gurdjieff's types system - there are according to him, about 28 types (I forget the exact number he mentioned).

He then set up teaching schools in the Caucasus, especially around Tashkent. To these he attracted hundreds of pupils, as the people of this area are very spiritual. He had thought to centre his Institute in Tashkent. Can't recall what happened then, but for some reason he moved to Russia. He also spent a lot of time accumulating money - by the time he moved to Russia he was extremely wealthy.

In Russia he set up numerous schools, each with different themes. The one Ouspensky belonged to was devoted to theoretical knowledge. Bennett has said that the material he imparted to Ouspensky, he never spoke of again. If it weren't for Ouspensky this entire theoretical approach would have been lost.

There were many people associated with these schools, and then he set up retreats - each one with dozens and dozens of participants, and each one approaching in completely different ways.

At the revolution he brought his core followers back to Georgia and again made millions, bringing all his large extended family together as well as attracting huge numbers of followers. He again tried to set up his Institute, this time with Government assistance (he had become a 'big business man').

Trouble ensued when the British pulled their forces out, so he had to escape with all his followers and family to Istanbul. There he started teaching dance as a significant aspect of his 'method'. Around this time, he retreated to his teacher in Turkestan,  to seek advice of where to go - East or West. He returned, with the intent to move West.

He eventually got out of Istanbul and went to Berlin. He again set up schools, and eventually travelled to England where he made a massive impact on everyone there - they tried to get him to set up his Institute in England, but I suspect his earlier political activities blocked him. To the English followers' dismay, Gurdjieff set up his Institute in France, by which time, after again moving everyone in his 'train' to this location, he was not only completely out of money but deeply in debt.

While setting up the Institute, he kept relocating to Paris where he involved himself in numerous highly lucrative business deals - I find his business acumen amazing, and a whole area little covered.

He fully admitted, while building toward his Institute, that he was experimenting with people like guinea-pigs. He explained his actions, but in short it goes like this: what he was offering to people along the way was real knowledge. They could grab this and use it, but his interest was far beyond the individuals he influenced. He was attempting to change the entire course of humanity, as he foresaw the direction that our species was heading. What he needed beyond all else was validation of methods that would work. Oddly enough there was a strange element to all this. He knew well enough that the primary ingredient of all his techniques, was his personal power - I will come to that in another post. But everyone he touched was galvanised to reach beyond their tiny lives - that they could not sustain this, was not his problem during his explorative phase. He had to find the most effective means for changing the destiny of humanity, which he saw as moving towards internal and external disaster.

Hundreds of people came to his Institute in France, from all over the world. And that was only half way through his 'world task' period of his life. I would say, in all, he directly changed the lives of thousands and thousands of people. This is not a man to judge or criticise, but a man look upon with amazement and a penetrating gaze. He hid his secrets everywhere - in the most amusing and devious ways. What he screamed to everyone who came near him, was to have the intelligence, the balls, the vitality and the courage to seek! He didn't want to create mindless devotees. He wanted everyone to wake up and 'dig deeper'.

He hid because he wanted us to stop expecting everything to be handed on a plate, as if in some way we deserved knowledge. There were very advanced pupils whom he sent back to his own teacher, but they have never spoke of this - it is only known that it happened.

Truth is not a right. It is a dedicated activity of constantly using our own inner powers to apply ourselves with capacities we have never realised we possessed - to above all, become self-reliant in our own pursuit of realisation. Tired, complacent, spoilt and conceited people have no place in the field of survivors.

The overriding impulse I get from Gurdjieff, is him yelling at everyone: "Run! Run you flowerers. With ever ounce of your being!"

I now wish to introduce the fourth point in regard to Gurdjieff's teachings: the Terror of the Situation.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Firestarter on October 08, 2009, 04:43:33 AM
Ok per his 'success' you dont see him being talked about much in the 'outside world' anymore, if you want to put it that way. His work may live on but mainly in books, and its now a small esoteric method people use his works, for all that he put forth. Its not as big as it used to be.

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Truth is not a right. It is a dedicated activity of constantly using our own inner powers to apply ourselves with capacities we have never realised we possessed - to above all, become self-reliant in our own pursuit of realisation. Tired, complacent, spoilt and conceited people have no place in the field of survivors.

Oh flower that Michael. Truth is the right of every human being. If only truth came forth and was ours for the taking the world wouldnt be in the turmoil it is in right now. Spiritually speaking, there are so many different programs out there when it comes to spirituality, people are sold hook, line, and sinker which messes up their minds and actually stunts them on the path. Unfortunately, this gets them further away from truth and makes progress a distant deal. If someone has truth, im gonna beat them down for it, that is my method. However, who really has it, or owns it? No one. And Gurdjieff didnt really own it either. He had certainly did his own research, I do believe that, esp from the sufis, acquired a great deal, but who was he, to decide who should have that truth and who should not? If someone comes for the truth, and you got it, why not give it? If anything it should be given, freely, not something one has to tear themselves down bits to bits just to get. And he did market truth, he got rich off other people to do it.

I dont think the man was trustworthy and I do believe that trust is a big deal esp when one is giving any instruction, esp if they claim to have truth. Esp if their aim is to change humanity - a huge undertaking which obviously he wasnt able to do except for his 'elect.' That is typically what happens, no one person can change humanity, at least for the better it hasnt been done. For the worse its much easier.

Either way see what you say on the rest, but I still have my ideas on truth and trust, and this is where Gurdjieff and I would disagree on many things.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Muffin on October 08, 2009, 09:06:26 AM
The truth IS ours for the taking. But we have to take it.

I think what we're really talking about is knowledge. So, knowledge is not a right, it has to be earned through dedicated activity; it has to be fought.

In Gurdjieff's view there's always a finite amount of knowledge available for all the humans. The more you grab for yourself the less remains for other individuals, and vice-versa.
This seems like a strange concept but it actually makes sense in a weird way. If everyone would be perfect, if the world would be perfect, there would be no ground for growing. Without friction there's no moving forward. So I think it is a design choice to don't have "everything" available to all.

But this from the individual's point of view. I don't know much about the species.

If everyone would be enlightened, we wouldn't need light bulbs anymore.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Firestarter on October 08, 2009, 09:24:38 AM
LOL! You may have a point about the bulbs Rudi. :) But really this is simple shit, we're born, we start off as babies, we're growing up with various 'truths' being taught to us. Then we reach a point, somewhere in either teens, or even adulthood, where our minds begin stretching on their own. IOW, truth, we begin to question what we're being taught, told, sold. So there's two kinds of people at this point, from that moment, those who accept what they're taught, told, sold, and dont progress any further, remain content, or even scared to go beyond, and others who decide to go on a vision quest and seek the 'truth' to matters, far beyond the reaches of what folks in their smaller circle taught, told, sold them. Then, this is where they end up, in no-man's land and find a vast array of knowledge, but which is 'good knowledge' and which is that which will dumb them down? Thats the tricky part, getting to the good knowledge. Then, finding the good knowledge which will lead them to the truth.

Truth is ours for the taking but it is very elusive to us. That is the difficult part. We enter this world 'asleep' and we have to wake up in the dream. It is all a dream but not a dream in the sense of a 'sleepy dream' but a dream planet dream, a maya dream, a dream where much is very illusory and difficult to go beyond. We have to get beyond our rise to 'individuality,' yes, we're supposed to figure out what that means, but then, we have to go beyond that because after this life is said and done, if we havent let that go, or I should say, if we're not prepared to let it go we'll only be 'stuck' once again in the big karmic trap.

This world is a big karmic trap which can get you in debt. There are many ways for the big debt collector to get us. The real debt collector is the tyrant mind, brain mind, which operates from a lower level of humanity and thinks of 'me me me.' That is truth. Its really simple knowledge. You dont need books, teachers, or any Gurdjieff to figure that out. When we operate from a 'me me me' standpoint, and dont look outwardly that there are other 'mes' and even a whole planet that all the mes are on, one planet, that we molest every day being selfish, then we only create more debt with the big debt collector, the 'me me me.'

Thats truth. Nothing mystical or esoterical about it. Nothing fantastic. And nothing you have to break your back over. Its simple wisdom, and common sense. But it is very difficult, VERY, to separate from the 'me me me' mentality, and want 'more more more' and to fill the cup with all the 'me me me' wants to take. And nothing can be taken with you. Not a thing, except for the wisdom accumulated in this life, but we need to step out of this life, when we do, with a cleaned up karmic slate, or else, back to the drawing board!
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on October 08, 2009, 09:02:46 PM
A very interesting offshoot from my engaging again with G's methods. In the last few days, every time I have encountered emotional or physical difficulties, I have applied the practice of mindfulness/self-remembrance with the observation of just how the friction generated by the conflict between my deeper inner soul and the outer situation, combines with self-awareness.

I have to say I am very excited with my observations, and I feel I am gaining greater understanding of what G is speaking.

The whole idea is to practice self-awareness in the actual 'turmoil' created by the soul-world friction, and combine this with his 'separation' practice (I will post something on that soon).

When these three come together - friction, awareness and separation (ie inner silence), something of extraordinary quality is generated.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Jennifer- on October 08, 2009, 10:36:24 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Michael on October 11, 2009, 06:46:00 PM
Ok per his 'success' you dont see him being talked about much in the 'outside world' anymore, if you want to put it that way.

Precisely. This is exactly what he intended. His influence sustains without him being 'worshipped' personally. This is what he sought, because he identified what he saw almost as a kind of substance which is generated when people place another 'on a pedestal' in some way - especially in spiritual fields. This substance retards the growth of not just the worshipper, but the worshipped, and he was having none of that.

The primary manifestation which is easily observable, is when the devotee becomes dependant, and transfers some vital element across to their 'hero', which then blocks any development efforts on both sides. Dependence for the devotee robs them of the self-reliance to generate their own journey.

Gurdjieff was assiduous in this, as he persistently did not want his followers using him as a flag for their endeavours - he wanted them to do their own thing. To take his impulses, his 'efforts' and his shakti, then to go off and show what they could do, what they could see - to create their own independent reality-identity.

He wanted them to activate their own essence, instead of using his essence as a surrogate.

But this idea is actually embedded in intuitive knowledge. All spiritual teachers worth their salt have their own way of doing this. How often do you hear someone say about one of their teachers, that they learnt a lot from that person, who may have had some knowledge, but actually they also 'had a lot of personal problems', and in the end was a hypocrite in some way. That's how it works - that's the protective measure kicking in.

Each teacher in their own unique style, has some way to distance their students from themselves - to help them crawl out from beneath the weight of their personal power.

Some may be blunt, some subtle and others devious, but the result is the same. Any spiritually advanced person immediately recognises they don't want a lot of vacant goons hanging around their aura, and also immediately recognises the danger of robbing another's rights to their own essence. While positive growth is happening, the relationship is super-strong, but when the time comes for the fledgling to fly, if it doesn't, then something vital dies inside.

This does represent a real problem for the student, who also requires a strong measure of devotion to open the channels for learning and the receipt of shakti, without which no progress is possible. So when the natural protective measures kick in, the students are commonly devastated. They may express disdainful disaffection, but underneath they are crying to be allowed back to the cosy comfort of the teacher's aura. They always say it is they who walked away, but in fact it is the natural protective forces which pushed them away.

At this point, the student has a major crisis, from which many do not escape healthily. They have to know the truth, that always they were living on borrowed energy, and now it is up to them to show what they have learnt. To stake the flag of their own being and claim full rights to their own essence.

Once they can do that, only then can they look back and appreciate their teacher.

The same happens with children - how often do you see the classic 'rebellion' from the parents, and also the classic return to appreciation once they have their own children. This is a natural law.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Jahn on October 16, 2009, 05:50:04 AM
. What he screamed to everyone who came near him, was to have the intelligence, the balls, the vitality and the courage to seek! He didn't want to create mindless devotees. He wanted everyone to wake up and 'dig deeper'.

He hid because he wanted us to stop expecting everything to be handed on a plate, as if in some way we deserved knowledge. There were very advanced pupils whom he sent back to his own teacher, but they have never spoke of this - it is only known that it happened.

Truth is not a right. It is a dedicated activity of constantly using our own inner powers to apply ourselves with capacities we have never realised we possessed - to above all, become self-reliant in our own pursuit of realisation. Tired, complacent, spoilt and conceited people have no place in the field of survivors.

True.
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Nichi on October 20, 2009, 10:10:24 AM
A long article on the kundabuffer....

Gurdjieff’s Views on the Origins of War on Planet Earth

by Ralph Metzner: from Green earth Foundation

G. I. Gurdjieff, who was one of the most remarkable spiritual teachers of the 20th century, was born in the 1870s, in the Caucasus region near Kurdistan, of mixed Greek and Armenian ancestry. This region, at the gateway between Europe and Asia, was one where for hundreds of years, peoples of many different nationalities and languages migrated, co-existed and often fought. In his younger years he traveled extensively in Central Asia (including Tibet), and the Middle East (including Egypt); in his later years in Europe, especially France, and making several visits to America. Having experienced both Russian Revolutions, as well as both World Wars (he died in 1949), he certainly had ample opportunity to study the nature and origins of war and violence at first hand. His teaching of practices of self-remembering and harmonious development, sometimes referred to as a Fourth Way teaching, was unique and original, although several writers have identified elements of Islamic Sufism, Greek and Russian Orthodox Christianity, Western esoteric, gnostic and hermetic traditions, as well as Buddhism and very ancient Asian, including Zoroastrian mystical traditions. In his writings and recorded talks, he himself stated repeatedly that his study of the causes of the “processes of reciprocal destruction” was one of the chief preoccupations of his life.

When he was living and teaching in Russia during the first decade of the 20th century, his talks were recorded in P.D. Ouspensky’s In Search of the Miraculous. Here, like the Buddhists, he emphasized the unconscious, sleep-like condition of ordinary human existence, captivated by external influences over which we had no control, and that we could only hope to awaken and free ourselves from these forces by deliberate and intentional practices of self-remembering, which is similar to the Buddhist emphasis on mindfulness. War, he said, was due to cosmic forces, or planetary influences. Just like when two people pass too near each other in the street causing momentary discomfort, two planets coming too near each in their orbits may result in tension, only momentary at the planetary scale – but on Earth, for a period of several years, “millions of sleeping men may start slaughtering other millions of sleeping men”.

In his later years, when he was living and teaching in France, at his Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man, he wrote his All and Everything – Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson, he expounded a much more involved and elaborate esoteric, historic, mythic tale, with his characteristic and undoubtedly deliberate admixture of the fantastic, symbolic and obscure. His declared aim, in his writing, was not so much to inform or give opinions or theories, but to stimulate his readers to conscious intelligent thinking, and the development of what he called “objective conscience”. With these reservations in mind, it is astonishing to note how much the stories that Gurdjieff unfolds, overlap with the esoteric histories that we have been discussing, and modern views from UFO/ET research.

To begin with, the whole first volume (1200 pages long) of All and Everything, – Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson – is cast as an elaborate travel narrative, told on a spaceship, by Beelzebub (the name of a deity from Babylonian mythology), to his grandson Hassein. Beelzebub describes six “descents” he has made to the planet Earth, at different time periods in history, to different continents and countries, including Atlantis, India, Tibet, and America; and describes at great length with many and elaborate complex details, using numerous neologisms seemingly pasted together from different languages, the characteristics, problems and possibilities of humans, or as he says, addressing Hassein, – “those three-brained beings that interest you so much.” These six “descents” could be interpreted as meaning six human incarnations of a highly developed soul, on a quest for greater understanding of the human condition; or they could also be interpreted as actual descents in an actual space-ship, at different time periods, by visitors from another world, with a vastly advanced system of cosmic knowledge, making observations on planet Earth. In the course of the narrative, Beelzebub-Gurdjieff refers repeatedly to certain “messengers sent from above”, human incarnations of very high beings, who established religious teachings on Earth, including Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and especially a certain “Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash”, who taught on Earth during the ancient Sumero-Babylonian civilization (Shamash is also the name of a Sumerian deity). In addition to these, Beelzebub-Gurdjieff also refers, in his stories, to “Angels”, “Archangels” and even a “High Commission” of “sacred beings”, who are also engineers, physicists, or chemists, with whom he has conversations (i.e. or as we would say today, who he “channels”), and who have come to Earth at various times to address certain cosmic planetary problems that had arisen.

Chapter 43 of Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson, entitled “Beelzebub’s Survey of the Process of the Periodic Reciprocal Destruction of Men”, opens with a passionate query from Hassein, who in trying to understand why humans, with their long history on the planet, and the fact that they have developed many systems of knowledge, still resort to wars: “Don’t they really ever see that these processes of theirs are the most terrible of all the horrors which can possibly exist in the whole of the Universe and don’t they ever ponder on this matter, so that they might become aware of this horror, and find a means of eradicating it?” In response to this question, Beelzebub then launches into a long discussion about the many attempts and agreements made by groups and leaders in various societies, throughout history, to investigate this process and to find ways to eradicate it – referring to the League of Nations as one of the most recent ones. He says that such groups, though usually starting with good intentions, have always tended to disintegrate into increasing divisiveness, as various leaders and groups participating are taken over by egotism and greed, and end up instigating more war and destruction in order to profit from it for themselves and their group.
Beelzebub then discusses some groups of learned beings in ancient times in the regions of Kurdistan and Turkestan, who assembled a conference, which included representatives from six or seven Asiatic and Mediterranean religions and cultures, to address this problem of war. A “learned being” of that time had discovered and then taught, that there appeared to be some kind of natural planetary process, some kind of balancing process on a planetary scale, that constantly alternated periods of overpopulation of animals and humans, with periods of their destruction, regardless of what individuals wanted to do. Wars were totally unconscious, unintentional mass events, over which humans had no control. A key element in this situation was the human practice of dominating nature, that at times involved massive animal sacrifice, (and, one might add, human sacrifice, especially in ancient Meso-America). And Nature had to constantly adapt herself to these destructive practices of humans. This conference also eventually broke up, as the participants proved incapable of dealing with this terrible trap that they had discerned. And whereas the motto of the original peace-seeking society was “Earth free for All”, after the break-up into different factions, the leading motto of some groups became “Earth only for Men”. This is an interesting adumbration of the deep ecology critique of the Judaeo-Christian domination of nature (”thou shalt have dominion over the beasts”).

The teachings of the “Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash”, a “Messenger sent from Above” during the Sumero-Babylonian civilization, aimed toward enhancing the development of objective consciousness and conscience in humans, by cultivating the “sacred being-functions” of faith, hope and love. Since in most humans these functions had already degenerated and were present only in mechanical and emotional forms, only conscious faith, hope and love would suffice, and these were to be developed through “conscious labor and intentional suffering”. (This was also the guiding precept of the “work” that Gurdjieff taught at the Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man). The human condition, in which the development of objective consciousness was blocked, and the sacred being-functions of conscious faith, hope and love had atrophied, was due to the consequences of the “accursed organ kundabuffer”. This organ, according to Beelzebub-Gurdjieff, had been implanted in human beings at the base of the spine, a very long time ago, by a group of “Very High, Very Sacred” angelic scientists, acting on instructions “from Above”. Although the organ kundabuffer was subsequently removed, by other scientist angels, its operation had become crystallized and passed on genetically through the generations, to the point where it became “second nature” in humans.

The maleficent residual consequences of this kundabuffer organ were that the psyche of humans is dominated by egotism, conceit, vanity, selfishness and the like, making it extremely difficult for them to develop objective consciousness and conscience, as well as making humans susceptible to being manipulated and exploited by leaders, warmongers and ideologues for self-serving and profiteering motives. Although Beelzebub-Gurdjieff clearly considers the action and residual consequences of this implanted organ an unmitigated disaster for humans, he does report the results of his investigations and “conversations” with high angelic and archangelic beings as to the origins and intentions behind this genetic implant. Its origin had to do with certain cosmic planetary processes.

It appears that in very ancient times, long before the existence of the continent and civilization of Atlantis, there was a collision of a comet with planet Earth, causing the Moon (and another, undetected fragment) to split off into a satellite orbit. This collision, Beelzebub avers, was due to “miscalculation” on the part of archangelic planetary engineers, monitoring the intersecting orbits of cosmic bodies. It led to a crisis, because in accord with the basic cosmic laws of reciprocal maintenance, certain kinds of radiations and vibrational energies had to be produced on Earth, in order to keep the Moon in a regular orbit around the Earth. These kinds of energies could be produced by life, including human life, either consciously and qualitatively (as was done in certain temples in Atlantis) or unconsciously and quantitatively, through massive die-offs of human and animal populations (as has occurred in various planet-wide catastrophes, including floods, earthquakes, plagues and wars). This perspective was the basis of Gurdjieff’s original, provocative formulation in various talks and writings, that ordinary humans, with undeveloped consciousness, were machines for the transformation of substances that provided “food for the Moon”.
At the time of the original collision and the resulting threat to the maintenance of cosmic harmony in our planetary neighborhood, “a Most High Commission consisting of Angels and Archangels, specialists in the work of World Creation and World Maintenance,” had “come down” from the Central Sun, and decided that this special organ kundabuffer needed to be installed in human beings. This organ was designed to prevent humans from developing objective consciousness, because if they did they would see the “terror of their situation”, namely that the prime purpose of their existence was “to maintain a detached fragment of the planet, and being convinced of their slavery to circumstances utterly foreign to them, they would be unwilling to continue their existence and would destroy themselves.” So the kundabuffer that was installed had two functions: one, to cause human beings to “see reality upside down”, and two, to engender in them sensations of pleasure and enjoyment. After the immediate planetary crisis had passed , a further delegation of archangelic engineers and scientists caused the implant to be removed, but its consequences, as mentioned above, became crystallized and have remained part of human genetic inheritance ever since.

Beelzebub-Gurdjieff does not further explain how exactly the functioning of the organ kundabuffer, originally designed to prevent a kind of suicidal traumatic reaction on the part of humans, then led to the maleficent congenital features we have been laboring under ever since. One could think of the connection this way: “seeing reality upside-down” refers to a kind of perceptual inversion, causing humans to fixate only on the physical plane as real, and ignore the greater realities accessible to objective consciousness, where they would have clearly seen their enslaved condition , i.e. the “terror of their situation.” Furthermore, the enhanced organ capacities for pleasure and enjoyment perhaps provided a kind of tranquilizing balm, which then manifested as addictive overdevelopment of craving that we know as egotism, vanity, conceit, self-importance, greed and the like. Although the original planetary collision crisis which led to the implantation of this perceptual block has long passed, the need for human life on Earth to contribute certain energies for harmonious cosmic functioning remains – and if not provided by the intentional conscious work of humans, these energies are generated automatically by massive population increases and consequent massive die-offs due to natural catastrophes and war.

Gurdjieff, speaking as the space-travelling narrator Beelzebub, as well as quoting his spiritual ancestor the “Very Saintly Ashiata Shiemash”, provides two separate rather sobering and mysterious answers to the question of whether war can be eradicated and humans can be saved. At the end of the long chapter on “the processes of periodic reciprocal destruction”, Beelzebub concludes that “if this property of terrestrial beings is to disappear from that unfortunate planet, then it will be with Time alone, thanks either to the guidance of a certain Being with very high Reason or to certain cosmic events.”

At the very end of Beelzebub’s Tales to his Grandson, after 1200 pages of these extraordinary ruminations and explications, Hassein asks his teacher-grandfather again to state, in a summary way, from “your long-centuried impartial observations and studies of the psyche of the three-centered beings arising on the planet Earth… whether it is still possible by some means or other to save them and to direct them into the becoming path?” Beelzebub then, with great emphasis, replies: “The sole means now for the saving of the beings of the planet Earth would be to implant again into their presences a new organ, an organ like kundabuffer, but this time of such properties that everyone of these unfortunates during the process of existence should constantly sense and be cognizant of the inevitability of his own death as well as the death of everyone upon whom his eyes or attention rests.”

“Only such a sensation and such a cognizance”, he continues, “can now destroy the egotism completely crystallized in them that has swallowed the whole of their Essence and also that tendency to hate others which flows from it – the tendency, namely, which engenders all those mutual relationships existing there, which serve as the chief cause of all their abnormalities unbecoming to three-brained beings and maleficent for them themselves and for the whole of the Universe”.

These two answers reflect a conviction that the underlying causes of war are cosmic-planetary in nature, of which humans are more or less completely unconscious, and over which they have very little or no control. It is possible, but difficult, for individuals to undergo transformations of their psyche, through “conscious labor and intentional suffering”, and, one might add, through psychospiritual yogic and mystical practices, by which they can awaken to their spiritual essence and liberate themselves from the thralldom of unconsciousness. In my own comparative studies of transformative experiences, described in the book The Unfolding Self (Metzner, 1998), I found that the catalyst for the most profound life-changing and worldview-changing turning-points was coming close to confronting one’s own mortality, either through near-death experiences (NDEs), or through the death of a loved one. The death-rebirth Mystery ritual celebrations of ancient times, as well as certain shamanic initiations may have provided this kind of awakening. Psychedelic experiences can provide this kind of insight and awakening, given the appropriate preparation and guidance.

While the individual awakening of consciousness is possible and is certainly our primary responsibility, the transformation of collective consciousness from the bondage created by unconscious cravings and hatreds, in a situation of rapidly deteriorating planetary environments and the slow-motion collapse of civilization, would seem to be a highly improbable, if not totally impossible challenge. It is in this sense that I would understand Gurdjieff-Beelzebub’s seemingly bizarre and improbable prescription.

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There are many themes in this story reminiscent of various Gnostic teachings, according to which Earth has been subject to mistakes and miscalculations on the part of a creator demiurge, and human incarnation is a kind of dungeon or exile. Gurdjieff’s story also has parallels in Sumerian mythology, as interpreted by Sitchin, not surprising in that Gurdjieff himself implicitly refers to his spiritual ancestry in the Sumero-Babylonian civilization. The most striking parallel is in the teachings that humans have been intentionally and deliberately kept in a subservient, slave-like condition by their superiors, to provide certain kinds of energies (whether for mining work or planetary maintenance). The biggest difference though is that Sitchin’s reading of the activities of the Annunaki and their Mesopotamian human underlings is purely concerned with the material level – the “gods” are nothing but long-lived ETs flying around in space-ships. Gurdjieff’s cosmology, on the other hand, reflects the multidimensional nature of cosmic reality and human consciousness, and the “descent” of divine beings and human interactions with them are as much interdimensional as interplanetary events. Other writers on the role of extra-terrestrial interventions in human history and civilization, including William Bramley and Arthur David Horn, have also supposed that deliberate conditioning processes on the part of dominator elites have kept the human workers and slaves unconscious of their inherent but undeveloped spiritual essence and potential autonomy.

Of great interest for me personally, in the light of my research in the psychological aspects of the planetary ecological crisis, is the prescient foreshadowing in this story, of the manner in which the destructive industrial activities of humans, in the reckless pursuit of power and profit, leads to increasingly disastrous consequences for the natural balance of the Gaian biosphere. Indigenous elders, such as the Hopis in the American Southwest and many others, have been warning us in their prophecies for a long time that the balancing adaptations of Nature to the seemingly unconscious , yet also deliberate destructive and exploitative behavior of humans are manifesting, and will be manifesting, in potentially near-total collapse of our planetary civilization.
A distinctive feature of Gurdjieff’s reading of the hidden historic and pre-historic antecedents of war, is that it goes deeper than the simplistic dualisms of good versus evil, or light versus dark forces, pervasive throughout ancient religious mythology and occult histories, as well as much of the UFO/ET literature of modern times. In Gurdjieff’s view, as in Buddhism, the wars and destructiveness, the domination and victimization behaviors of human beings, are the result of unconscious psychic factors in them that block awareness of their spiritual essence, or as the Buddhist say, their inherent “Buddha nature”. And those root unconscious blocking factors were not installed by dominator spirits seeking to enslave us (although such beings may exist at some level), but rather they were the unintended malignant consequences of measures that were taken, by very high supra-dimensional cosmic beings, to stabilize orbital planetary perturbations and ameliorate the potential shock to humans when they would become aware of the dangerous conditions of existence intrinsic to living on planet Earth.

Since Gurdjieff was in the habit of concealing nuggets of information in his neologisms, various readers of his books have speculated on the derivation of the word kundabuffer. One obvious possibility, suggested also by the location of the organ at the base of the spine, is that it refers to a buffer of kundalini energy, which lies coiled at the root chakra at the base of the spine. According to traditional Indian yoga teachings, when the kundalini energy is awakened and connects with the crown chakra, a state of cosmic consciousness can be attained. Gurdjieff himself, in his earlier teachings as recorded by Ouspensky, states however that the kundalini process is completely misunderstood, and in modern times is associated with nothing but fantasy and imagination.

For me, this speculative etymology of the meaning of kundabuffer relates to a somewhat different reading of mankind’s esoteric antecedents that I heard from my teacher of Agni Yoga, an American clairvoyant healer-teacher named Russell Schofield, who died in 1984. Though it was not the main focus of his teaching, which was healing through body-centered light-fire energy work, Schofield did at times make some statements derived from his reading of the akashic record – during a time when he and I were collaborating on an unfinished and unpublished writing project. The akashic record is considered to be the knowledge repository of all past events, at every level of all dimensions, on all planets and everywhere in the Universe. As I have come to understand it, at a certain level of psychospiritual advancement these records can be selectively accessed, when one’s spiritual purpose calls for bringing through that knowledge (as for example, Edgar Cayce who, while in a sleep-state, accessed and recorded knowledge of ancient civilizations like Egypt and Atlantis, in the context of providing healing information for people who consulted him). Since there is no way known to me to independently verify statements derived from such a source, I do not present these views, and those of Gurdjieff, as true, in the conventional sense, but rather as offering “food for thought” and perspectives that can lead to further questioning and searching.

Schofield related that a block or seal was implanted on the generative energy-center by the high-level cosmic light-beings and masters who are guiding human evolution, after the collapse of the continent of Atlantis, because of the misuse of that energy by certain leaders of that civilization. The serpentine generative energy, also called kundalini, whose source is at the root-center, in ordinary human life generates the biological life-force for building cells and maintaining the vitality of the organism (one band of this energy spectrum providing the energy of procreative sex). This energy was used by those Atlantean initiates who were on a dark power path, to create living human-animal hybrids as worker-slaves (as Edgar Cayce had also reported), as well as insects and microbes as biological weaponry for their domination agendas. As a result of this misuse of the generative energy, and to prevent it from recurring, the possibility of actually creating living biological forms was sealed off for humans, and the expression of creative power limited to the mental level only. We can create systems of ideas, designs and images, and give them form in buildings, paintings, music, literature, sculpture, music and all the other forms of art and invention, — but not living matter. The process of implantation of this seal in successive human generations presumably took some time, and involved also the collaboration of advanced human initiates, including the Hebrew King Solomon. The esoteric sigil design known as Solomon’s Seal is said to be an emblem of his participation in this process. (Solomon’s involvement in the kundabuffer story is also mentioned by Gurdjieff, but with a different twist).

To summarize, I have presented two variants of an esoteric teaching regarding an implant in the human energy system that has functioned, and still functions, as a block on the evolution of higher consciousness and a consequent inability to transcend destructive and divisive tendencies inherent in the human condition. In one version, the block was implanted to prevent and forestall further misuse of those higher-frequency energies for power and domination agendas. In the other version, the block was implanted for temporary reasons of cosmic necessity and human welfare, but had the unintended negative consequences of permanently fixating humans into unconsciousness.

Unconsciousness (avidya) or forgetfulness, combined with cravings and hatreds, is the basic human condition of both dominators and slaves, predators and prey, soldiers and traders, the powerful and the poor. That is the curse and the poison of human existence on planet Earth. However, teachers and teachings have appeared, and continue to appear, to show the pathways to remembrance and liberation. New generations of children continue to be born, their innocence intact, into fortunate circumstances of family and community, where the awareness of their spiritual essence can be nurtured and supported. That is the mercy and the blessing, and the precious opportunity of human life.

Better late than never, thank-you, Tio, for putting this up!
Title: Re: Gurdjieff
Post by: Jennifer- on October 24, 2009, 11:36:20 PM
Better late than never, thank-you, Tio, for putting this up!

Yes, thank you!