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Title: The Enlightened Man
Post by: nichi on September 25, 2006, 04:56:13 AM
The Enlightened Man

    Shogen asked: `Why does the enlightened man not stand on his feet and explain himself?'
    And he also said: `It is not necessary for speech to come from the tongue.'

     

     

http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/cgi-bin/koan.pl

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Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: daphne on September 25, 2006, 04:43:34 PM

    Shogen asked: `Why does the enlightened man not stand on his feet and explain himself?'
    And he also said: `It is not necessary for speech to come from the tongue.'


I like this, Nichi. Good for pondering on! Thanks!   :-*
Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: tommy2 on September 25, 2006, 10:25:32 PM
Are not explanations really just justifications for our inventories?

Descriptions, rather, are extensions of our Intent.

t2f
Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: nichi on September 26, 2006, 01:01:04 AM
What a day of freedom, when we no longer have to explain, even to ourselves....
Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: Michael on September 27, 2006, 10:36:24 PM
true true, but I took note of DJ saying there is a special skill in linking up the word centre with the knowing centre (or something like that). There is a skill in being able to articulate knowledge - it is never a complete match for enlightened experience, but nonetheless is worth arriving at. Explanations shouldn't be a hands in the air affair - we should strive to get it happening. Although I do confess to throwing my hands and rolling my eyes a lot at this task.
Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: daphne on September 28, 2006, 12:10:32 AM
Although I do confess to throwing my hands and rolling my eyes a lot at this task.

heh.. "it is not neccessary for speech to come from the tongue"..   :D
Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: Michael on September 29, 2006, 11:04:58 PM
too true daphne,
but the ability to use the tongue like a musical instrument is a great joy,

and a word in the right place can change one.

I have always been very impressed with CC's renditions - his words, esp those of DJ, have moved me in ways no other words have.
Title: Re: The Enlightened Man
Post by: Michael on September 29, 2006, 11:06:36 PM
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I love that pic vickles - i am very fond of those zen like japanese and chinese paintings.