Author Topic: Quotes by George Gurdjieff  (Read 230 times)

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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2007, 04:37:28 AM »
What are my emotions hooked to the word "sacrifice"? Sadness. Sadness that I've held to that belief.  Sadness that billions of people have suffered pain, death and torture for it, and do so now.  Sadness, gratitude and pride that nevertheless, my uncle and father have believed in it, practiced it, and suffered from it, for my benefit.  They thought it was right to sacrifice for me and their country, and their families.  Who am I to tell them they were wrong?  They felt it was necessary, and they are entitled to that.  In all humblness, I thank them each and every time I see them.  And I keep to my self the deep heart rending sadness I feel, knowing that it was their belief that they should suffer untold pains in sacrifice for themselves and me. 

To Them and all that came with and before them:   

Thank YOU.  It was not necessary, but you did it anyway.

The Ages (to me) represent different facets of perception which humans needed to experience as a whole, in our spiritual evolution.  That's not to say that all members at a given time embraced the task, or even recognized or understood it, except on some unconscious level.

I have done "sacrifice", or I should say I am doing that very thing, but it's not in the way of the "martyr".  It's by way of finally letting go of everything I ever thought I was supposed to yearn for here. It's not an easy or habitual thing, and it's not a sentimental thing either ..... just the opposite, really. When it is accomplished, there is no more mourning or sadness of loss -- only that sadness reverberating from infinity which DJ spoke of.

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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2007, 07:11:21 AM »
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The less philosophy the better!

I AGREE!!

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You will not be able to expand your awareness Todd unless you get to know more about your essence. You have done a lot of research but that is not the same as work on your transformation. Therefore you walk in circles....

Jahn, this appears to make some invalid and unwarranted assumptions about me, that I don't know of my essence, much, and that I don't know that knowing more of my essence is key to expanding my awareness.  It also assumes that I don't and haven't spent much time working on my transformation (however you define that).  As I requested of Eric, I request of you....Stop that.  It does neither of us service, and it is intrusive.



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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2007, 07:38:49 AM »

"Fusion, inner unity, is obtained by means of 'friction,' by the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' in man. If a man lives without inner struggle, if everything happens to him without opposition, if he goes wherever he is drawn or wherever the wind blows, he will remain such as he is.

 "In what way can one evoke the struggle between 'yes' and 'no' in oneself?" someone asked. "Sacrifice is necessary," said Gurdjieff. "If nothing is sacrificed nothing is obtained. And it is necessary to sacrifice something precious at the moment, to sacrifice for a long time and to sacrifice a great deal.


In particular this refers to self-importance, egomania, self-reflection, and all the concommit negative emotions stemming from such a fixation.  The learned responses taught and encouraged by society at large.  The exaltation of the grandiose self-opinions people have is the most prevelant religion in the world.  People are flowering pious when it comes to that kind of worship.  They bow down at the altar of their own self image and just zone out.
Other is.  Self must struggle to exist.

- Brian George

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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2007, 09:11:40 AM »
Yes

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he will remain such as he is.

His or her choice.

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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2007, 12:22:17 PM »
Quote from: Lucifer
Free will - it is a bitch.

Other is.  Self must struggle to exist.

- Brian George

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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2007, 06:26:56 PM »

Quote from: Lucifer
Free will - it is a bitch.


 :D :D :D


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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2007, 10:08:20 PM »


Jahn, this appears to make some invalid and unwarranted assumptions about me, that I don't know of my essence, much, and that I don't know that knowing more of my essence is key to expanding my awareness.  It also assumes that I don't and haven't spent much time working on my transformation (however you define that).  As I requested of Eric, I request of you....Stop that.  It does neither of us service, and it is intrusive.


See my attacks on your belief system as a gift. A gift from me and Don Juan. It is funny how people (not you T) can praise the content in Castanedas book but the very day that they meet a nagual that tells them exactly the same thing that Don Juan told Carlos they feel uncomfortable and misunderstood.

Now you are no fan of Castanedas work but Don Juan is free to club a head wherever he find one. And since he happens to be one of my guides we saw a perfect timing to deliver this gift.

Assumptions ... ?
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Re: Quotes by George Gurdjieff
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2007, 11:31:08 AM »


What was that, the devils advocate, love that movie!
"As long as we confuse the myriad forms of the divine lila with reality, without perceiving the unity of Brahman underlying all these forms, we are under the spell of maya..."
 -Fritjof Capra, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism

 

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