Topic: Enigma of a Sorcerer

[Angela]

I think just the idea that you need to go somewhere outside of you to worship or show you believe is what makes it all seem so self important.

I pray/meditate in many different places.  I don't think it's the matter of Where you go ... as Jahn says, it's the true intent behind it.

[Michael]

George has a new book out - grim predictions

[tangerine dream]

I pray/meditate in many different places.  I don't think it's the matter of Where you go ... as Jahn says, it's the true intent behind it.

This is exactly what what I am saying.   


 "The church",  as a worship center as per the discussion and Juhanis' question, a place outside of you, is not necessary. Ideas (or religions) that would like it to be so are based on SI. 
 (imo)

From Don Juan: Churches are monuments to self-importance.
What that might mean?

I guess that would depend on how much stock I have in the validity of the entity, "don Juan".   

I see a church as a structure, a building ... some are beautiful works of art, some are just boxes out in the middle of nowhere.  When we look inside those churches, we see a mix of people.  Self-important?  Sure .... there are SI ppl ... but that is the minority.  The majority are humble, impeccable people making their way through this world, just as we are.  They're doing the Best they Know.

"Churches are monuments to self-importance."  In itself is a self-important, judgmental statement. 

I think just the idea that you need to go somewhere outside of you to worship or show you believe is what makes it all seem so self important.

PS

My self importance made me answer this post.  I tried to stop her, but I couldn't resist her charm.
 

[Michael]

I like some churches - mainly the old ones, and when there is no one else there

[tangerine dream]

I like some churches - mainly the old ones, and when there is no one else there

I like them too.  The structure and architecture of some of the older ones are beautiful.  I am very much enjoying Jahn's church pictures!   

Also, there is an energy inside of churches (the ones I have been in) that is awesome.  Once I went exploring as a kid in an old burned down church.  And even though there had been no 'people' in it for quite some time, the energy inside the church was very intriguing.  I had to keep going back and just being in there, even though I was forbidden to do so. 

[Michael]

actually now I think about it, I like all religion's churches - some modern Christian ones I don't go for, but I have been in Sikh, Taoist, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian and Hindu temples/churches/mosques, and the old ones especially I really like - but as I say, not when they are full of people.

I don't go for many of the services - not keen on the Muslim and Christian services. Sikh services are beautiful, and of course the Tibetan Buddhist ones are fabulous. Taoist services are either boring or weird. Hindu services are good fun if you don't mind the noise.

[tangerine dream]

Anglican services are kind of weird, too.  At least the few I attended. A lot of yelling incomprehensible words and falling down on the floor, sometimes twitching.