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The Rom (Gypsies)
« on: May 22, 2008, 09:30:49 PM »
There are more than 12 million Rom located in many countries around the world.  There is no way to obtain an exact number since they are not recorded on most official census counts.  Many Rom themselves do not admit to their true ethnic origins for economic and social reasons.  Roma organizations currently estimate that there are about 1 million Roma in the USA and 80 thousand in Canada.  The Rom are a distinct ethnic minority, distinguished at least by Rom blood and the Romanes language, whose origins began on the Indian subcontinent over one thousand years ago.

The first Rom claimed to be the Christian nobility of Egypt.  The referral of them as "egyptiens" may have given rise to the term "Gypsy".  This ethonym is not used by the Rom to describe themselves, as it is considered pejorative - the term "gyp" meant to cheat is a reference to the suspicion the Rom engendered.  However, use of "Gypsy" in English is so pervasive that many Roma organizations use the word Gypsy in their names.  In North America, the word "Gypsy" is commonly used as a reference to a lifestyle or fashion, and not to the Rom ethnicity.

Because the Roma living in France had come via Bohemia, they were also referred to as "Bohemians".  This would later be adapted to describe the impoverished artistic lifestyle of Bohemianism.

There is no connection between the name Roma (ethnicity), Rom (peoples) and the city of Rome, ancient Rome, Romania or the Romanian people or language.

Linguistic evidence and now genetic evidence show that the Rom originated from the Sind region now in Pakistan.  It is thought that their migration began after a succession of military duties through Armenia and Perzia.  And over time moving into the Byzantine Empire, the Balkans, and south through India.

When entering west Europe they initially had letters of protection from the King of Hungary.  This priviledge situation did not last long as amazement at their way of life commonly led to hostilities.  The Gypsy way of life still leads to hostilities from the people of their host nations.  Host nations regard "private property" as sacrosanct, whereas gypsies do not have a word for "possess" which gives rise to two incompatible ways of life and a continual problem of "gypsies" being regarded as "thieves" and "irresponsible" by host nations.  The Roma are still thought of as wandering nomads in the popular imagination, despite the fact that today the vast majority live in permanent housing.

The Rom tribes distinguish themselves by the names of their trades:
Lautan - musicians & dancers; Caldaran - tin and coppersmiths;  Argintari - jewelers;  Fierari - blacksmiths;  Ziateri - gold panners;  Ghurara - sieve makers; and Lovar - horse dealers.

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The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2008, 06:54:31 AM »
There have been several great migrations in Romani history.  First was the initial dispersal from India about a thousand years ago, then from southwest Asia into Europe in the 14th century.  The third big migration was from Europe to the Americas in the 19th & early 20th centuries after the abolition of Romani slavery in Europe.  Some scholars contend there is a migration occurring today sine the fall of the Iron Curtain in Eastern Europe.

The Rom began to come to the United States from England in 1850.  Their arrival coincided with an increase in the demand for draught horses in agriculture, and then urban transportation. After a rapid decline in the horse trade, most Rom relied on what was previously secondary enterprises - basket making, manufacture and sale of rustic furniture and fortunetelling.

More Rom arrived in the US and Canada from Serbia, Russia, and Austria-Hungary as part of the larger waiving of immigration restrictions.  Many in this group specialized in coopersmith work, mainly the repair and refining of equipment used in bakeries, laundries, and confectioneries.

The Romani language is of Indo-Aryan origin and has many spoken dialects, but the root language is ancient Punjabi, or Hindi.  There is no universal written Romani language in use by all Roma.  However, the codification of a constructed, standardized dialect is currently in progress by members of the Linguistic Commission of the International Romani Union.

Since the Rom usually adopted the customs and faith of host countries, there is no universal Rom "religion or culture" per se.  But there are attributes common to all Roma: loyalty to family (extended and clan; believe in God and Devil; belief in predestiny;and adaptability to changing conditions.

The Rom believe in their powers as exemplified by their use of curses and healing rituals.  they practice fortune telling only for the benefit of the "gadje" (outsiders), and as a source of livelihood, but not among themselves.  Good luck charms, amulets, and talismans are common among the Rom.  They are carried to prevent misfortune or heal sickness.  Since Rom feel that illness is an unnatural condition, there are many supernatural ways in which they believe disease can be prevented or cured.  Any number of herbs are used for the prevention or cure of various diseases.  Herbalism may be practiced by both sexes and many of the herbs actually have medicinal value in addition to the belief in their supernatural qualities.

Most of Rom society relies heavily on distincions between behavior that is pure or polluted.  Pollution taboos and their names, vary from group to group and often among smaller Rom units.  nevertheless, Roma define themselves in part by their adherence to these cleanliness rituals.  There may be class distinctions among some Rom, based on how strictly individuals or families maintain distinctions between purity and impurity.

Many of the traditional laws deal with water.  A Rom must wash only in running water - shower, not bath.  Dishes cannot be rinsed in the same sink or basin that is used for washing personal clothing.  The container used for washing dishes cannot be used for washing hands.  In addition, women's clothes and men's clothes cannot be washed together because of the impurities of the women's bodies.

The body of a woman is divided into two parts, above the waist and below the waist.  A woman is considered clean from the waist up and "polluted" from the waist down.  This concept is one explanation that many Rom women wear long skirts.  If a Roma woman is not wearing the traditional long skirt, she must cover her legs with a blanket or coat when sitting. 

The stereotype of the Rom (gypsy) woman with long colorful skirt, heavy earrings , and often a flower in her hair has some basis in fact.  Based on the pollution belief skirts are long and full.  their skirts are generally of bright colors and often many layered.  Among many tribes if a woman is married she must display that fact by keeping her head covered by a head scarf.  Women usually allow their hair to grow long.  The heavy jewelry is not only for beauty, but for its intrinsic value.  Most Rom and especially women do not have bank accounts, so they fell most secure carrying their valuables on their own person.  Traditionally, acquired wealth has been converted into jewelry or gold coins, the latter sometimes worn on clothing as adornments or woven into the hair.

There is really no characteristic clothing for the men.  Since the head is considered the body's focal point, many Rom men draw attention to it by wearing large hats and wide mustaches.  For festive occasions they will wear a good suit and show a preference for bright colors.  Since it is the men who must work or travel among the gadje, they mostly keep Rom male's daily clothing indistinguishable from the "others".



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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 07:18:53 AM »
Next step is to write of my feelings about this culture.  There was more said in the places I looked about the cycle of mis-trust between the Rom and the "gadje" (others). 

Many Rom fear the total loss of their culture from assimilation into the society of the host countries.  Many of the hosts fear the Rom because their ways of non-possession are so different from "normal".

So, the Rom keep to themselves to keep their culture.  Many are illiterate and even now fear sending their own children to schools that are "modern" based and expect conformity.

Last week before having guests to dinner, I was discouraged to find that I had misplaced the recipe for my maternal Grandmother's Hungarian dessert I wanted to make.  I thought it a shame that these recipes were not written down and preserved for the next generations.  I can only imagine the feeling of losing not just a recipe but an entire culture.

I can also empathize to a verrrrry small extent with the fact of feeling the need to stay alone or only with others of your "kind" to avoid ostracism or at the least being misunderstood.

But I think the part of this culture study that rings most loudly in my heart is the fact that these people distinguish (know) themselves by their trade-which I see as their creativity.   To be known, to know ones self by the useful beauty created - oh yeah!
Luv, K

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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 08:27:09 PM »
Aren't Roma eternal travellers who settle in one place only under serious threat? Even Soviets did not manage to tame them. :) Here they are known for their inability to do a regular job for any considerable time.
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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2008, 01:01:25 PM »
Here they are known for their free spirits and wanderlust.
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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »
well they are having trouble in Italy I hear - Italians want to send the lot packing, and that is a lot of people.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2008, 08:52:16 PM »
Sep 30, 2003 | Responding to pressure from the European Union, Romanian authorities opened an investigation Tuesday into the recent forced marriage of a 12-year-old Gypsy girl in Transylvania.

Ana Maria Cioaba was married off Saturday to a 15-year-old Gypsy boy, Birita Mihai, in nuptials condemned by the European Union and human rights groups. Officials said they would be investigating on possible charges of sex involving minors.

Cioaba's wedding first caused a stir after the reluctant bride stormed out of the church during the service and later told reporters she did not want to marry.

She returned to the church 15 minutes later, her face sullen. Her father _ a self-proclaimed Gypsy king who was the ceremony's minister _ and the groom were waiting for her, and the service continued awkwardly.

Though the legal age for marriage in Romania is 18, the country generally tolerates the tradition of arranged child weddings among Roma _ as Gypsies are also known. Still, some young women are starting to rebel against the custom.

If investigators determine that the marriage was consummated, the child bride could be placed in an orphanage, said Serban Mihailescu, a top government official.

Mihailescu indicated that the police investigation was launched in reaction to EU pressure to separate the young couple.

Earlier in the day, the EU envoy to Romania, Baroness Emma Nicholson, faxed the government an official letter of protest. The Balkan country aspires to join the EU in 2007 and is being pressured to enact a series of reforms bringing it in line with Western European practices.

``I have already replied urgently to the fax ... that Romanian officials are investigating this event,'' Mihailescu, the government's secretary general, told private television station Pro-TV. ``It may be decided that she (Cioaba) goes to a children's home.''

A police spokesman in Sibiu, the medieval town where the wedding took place, said Cioaba family members made statements Tuesday to police.

``We are investigating on charges of sex with a minor,'' the police officer said on condition of anonymity.

In a statement, the Gypsy family called the investigation ``a masquerade against the royal household,'' adding that the wedding had received undue media attention. Each year, thousands of Gypsy children are wed in arranged marriages, the girl's father, Florin Cioaba, said.

Official figures say more than 550,000 Roma live in Romania, but the real number is believed to be more than 1 million. The country's total population is 22 million.

A family spokeswoman, Dana Chendea, defended the marriage and said the girl had begun to ``resign herself to her fate.''

``They spent the (wedding) night together. It was the deal,'' Chendea said by telephone.

``Nobody asked her whether she wanted it. It is part of a tradition for Gypsies, and the marriage shows that traditions are respected.''

Still, Saturday's wedding made the headlines in most of Romania's papers.

``They are messing with the life of a human being,'' said Valentin Militaru, a 23-year-old computer specialist from Bucharest. ``Maybe that girl wanted something else out of life _ not to marry before she was 13.''

Feb. 28, 2008 The legal age for marriage in Romania is 18, but the law allows Romanians to marry at 16 with parental consent.

The country generally tolerates arranged child weddings among gypsies whose ancient traditions call for the marriage of children once they reach puberty.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2008, 09:03:18 PM »
When the Roma people arrived in Europe, curiosity was soon followed by hostility and xenophobia. Roma were enslaved for five centuries in Wallachia and Moldavia until abolition in 1864. Elsewhere in Europe, they were subject to ethnic cleansing, abduction of their children, and forced labor. During World War II, the Nazis murdered 200,000 to 800,000 Roma in an attempted genocide known as the Porajmos. They were marked for extermination and sentenced to forced labor and imprisonment in concentration camps. They were often killed on sight, especially by the Einsatzgruppen (essentially mobile killing units) on the Eastern Front.

In Communist Eastern Europe, Roma experienced assimilation schemes and restrictions of cultural freedom. The Romany language and Romani music were banned from public performance in Bulgaria. In Czechoslovakia, they were labeled a "socially degraded stratum," and Roma women were sterilized as part of a state policy to reduce their population. This policy was implemented with large financial incentives, threats of denying future social welfare payments, misinformation or after administering drugs (Silverman 1995; Helsinki Watch 1991). An official inquiry from the Czech Republic, resulting in a report (December 2005), concluded that the Communist authorities had practised an assimilation policy towards Roma, which "included efforts by social services to control the birth rate in the Romani community" and that "the problem of sexual sterilisation carried out in the Czech Republic, either with improper motivation or illegally, exists" [59], with new revealed cases up until 2004, in both the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

In the early 1990s, Germany deported tens of thousands of illegal immigrants to Eastern Europe. Sixty percent of some 100,000 Romanian nationals deported under a 1992 treaty were Roma. In Norway, many Roma were forcibly sterilized by the state until 1977.

In the Habsburg Monarchy under Maria Theresia (1740-1780), a series of decrees tried to force the Roma to sedentarize, removed rights to horse and wagon ownership (1754), renamed them as "New Citizens" and forced Roma boys into military service if they had no trade (1761), forced them to register with the local authorities (1767), and prohibited marriage between Roma (1773). Her successor Josef II prohibited the wearing of traditional Roma clothing and the use of the Romany language, punishable by flogging.[77] In Spain, attempts to assimilate the Gitanos were under way as early as 1619, when Gitanos were forcibly sedentarized, the use of the Romany language was prohibited, Gitano men and women were sent to separate workhouses and their children sent to orphanages. Similar prohibitions took place in later in 1783 under King Charles III, who prohibited the nomadic lifestyle, the use of the Calo language, Romani clothing, their trade in horses and other itinerant trades. Ultimately these measures failed, as the rest of the population rejected the integration of the Gitanos.

Other examples of forced assimilation include Norway, where a law was passed in 1896 permitting the state to remove children from their parents and place them in state institutions[79]. This resulted in some 1,500 Roma children being taken from their parents in the 20th century

The practice of placing Roma students in segregated schools or classes remains widespread in countries across Central and Eastern Europe. In Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania, many Roma children have been channeled into all-Roma schools that offer inferior quality education and are sometimes in poor physical condition, or into segregated all-Roma or predominantly Roma classes within mixed schools.[81] In Hungary and Bulgaria, many Roma children are sent to classes for pupils with learning disabilities, regardless of whether such classes are appropriate for the children in question or not. In Bulgaria, they are also sent to so-called "delinquent schools", where a variety of human rights abuses take place.

Despite the low birth rate in the country, Bulgaria's Health Ministry was considering a law aimed at lowering the birth rate of certain minority groups, particularly the Roma, due to the high mortality rate among Roma families, which are typically large. This was later abandoned due to conflict with EU law and the Bulgarian constitution.

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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2008, 09:58:00 PM »
While gypsies as a culture deserve respect like any other, modern gypsies, those that the Italian government wants send away are mostly just a bunch of delinquents and low people.
It's not that they can't keep a job for long period, it's not their free spirit and wanderlust.
They have a total lack of respect towards everything. They piss and shit on the streets, steal, rape and murder. And when you see 99% of the gypsies doing this it's pretty safe to generalize.
They build barracks in parks, abandoned fields and make the whole area become like a waste dump.
These people do their stuff right behind their barracks. How wanderlusty is living in your own shit? I mean come on, even animals keep their homes clean.
I don't know what kind of gypsy culture you're in contact with, but here in Europe the gypsy culture is inexistent. Thanks to their behavior, their customs of "crapifying" and destroying everything they touch they have a pretty bad reputation.
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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2008, 10:06:01 PM »
Yes, Roma and petty crime, Roma and living in rubbish - they do a LOT of it here, too. In past, they used have a reputation as very capable horse thieves. :) Nowadays...well many things have changed.

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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2008, 11:35:54 PM »
Are they as bad as the Albanian Mafia?

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 12:12:44 AM »
 :) Invert 'Roma' and you get Amor, meaning 'love'

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Re: The Rom (Gypsies)
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 12:19:55 AM »
:) Invert 'Roma' and you get Amor, meaning 'love'

Very nice!
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