Topic: Near Death Experience

[Quantum Shaman]

I don't discount anything.  I've often experienced that pieces of the puzzle previously ignored become essential building blocks later down the "path".

We indeed have many "scientists" in this world...who do we "believe" ... is it the "medical scientist", the "quantum physicists", the "nature/biological scientists", the "social scientist", the "mathematical scientist"?  The list is endless.  They all tell of their individual "experiences" and the outcomes of detailed experiments.

Do we rely on information offered, or do we discard, or ridicule, because it doesn't fit in to our "belief system"?

just some thoughts...

The warrior does not really "rely" on information that s/he has not tested for herself.  Obviously that is not always possible.  In those cases, I listen to what is offered, but I also temper it with the knowledge that science is as much of a religion as any religion, in that it seeks to validate its belief systems, even if that validation is done through "scientific" methods. 

I don't see that as ridicule, but as a warrior's awareness.

"Believe" no one.



D

[Michael]

the gold standard is this: we give up all beliefs, scientific, religious, social, political, relationshipional, you name it, we drop the lot!

Nothing left - that's the tricky part, then you choose the bits you want to include in your ship - your vehicle. Including your ideas and your body, and your world - suck each piece, and decide about it before tossing it overboad without a second thought.

Or placing it carefully in your garden.

It's all about gardening you know.

[Angela]

Or placing it carefully in your garden.

It's all about gardening you know.

Yes... and it's beautiful when you finally see the blossoms!  Rotate so as not to deplete the soil and Weed frequently 

[Firestarter]

I personally think its rude as hell to ask people if they've had near death experiences.

Just something along the way Ive learned, that thing is personal. I think sometimes folks's curiousity really takes over and gets replaced with a lack of tact.

[Michael]

I personally think its rude as hell to ask people if they've had near death experiences.

you mean you'd be offended if asked

[Firestarter]

you mean you'd be offended if asked

Thats putting words in my mouth, and a fallacy. I can take something as rude as hell without being offended. its called detachment.

[Michael]

If I put chocolate in your mouth, can you take that without being pleased?

[daphne]

I find NDE's fascinating. If no-one asked about them, we wouldn't know about them, and anyone who had one would think they are a bit mad! My mom had an NDE while she had her heart op. While she was still under, I was with her in ICU. She started talking about it, and I asked her more. She was quite happy to tlk about it while she was still under (the influence of medication and the respirator) but when she came off that, she was less forward about it, actually close to denying it altogether, even though it was her expereince. Interestingly she mentioned (while still under) that she came back for 3 weeks to finish up some things. She died 3 weeks later.

[tangerine dream]

I find NDE's fascinating. If no-one asked about them, we wouldn't know about them, and anyone who had one would think they are a bit mad! My mom had an NDE while she had her heart op. While she was still under, I was with her in ICU. She started talking about it, and I asked her more. She was quite happy to tlk about it while she was still under (the influence of medication and the respirator) but when she came off that, she was less forward about it, actually close to denying it altogether, even though it was her expereince. Interestingly she mentioned (while still under) that she came back for 3 weeks to finish up some things. She died 3 weeks later.

Wow!

[Firestarter]

If I put chocolate in your mouth, can you take that without being pleased?

I can if I dont want the chocolate.

[Nichi]

Just like there are many places/worlds/destinations to seek on the astral during astral travel and projection (OBE's), I think NDE's can actually lead to many different places/worlds. So much of it is not understood. I heard a story last night of a man who did not tunnel into the "light" but tunneled into the "dark". He was quite surprised, so it was not his expectation to go there. His experience was interpreted as a journey to the "black void", a place which can be sought at will during meditations/travels/etc.   This drives home the notion that a lot of meditation, visualization, and other Work is required in the life now, so that one may not get caught somewhere out of one's intent.

Here, though, I take it on faith that my Intent will mean something following death. I'm not so sure of this anymore.

[Nichi]

I find NDE's fascinating. If no-one asked about them, we wouldn't know about them, and anyone who had one would think they are a bit mad! My mom had an NDE while she had her heart op. While she was still under, I was with her in ICU. She started talking about it, and I asked her more. She was quite happy to tlk about it while she was still under (the influence of medication and the respirator) but when she came off that, she was less forward about it, actually close to denying it altogether, even though it was her expereince. Interestingly she mentioned (while still under) that she came back for 3 weeks to finish up some things. She died 3 weeks later.

That is fascinating, D!