Topic: Stalking: Rule I - your job

[Michael]

Even if one is not a native stalker, everyone should practice it.  This isn’t really a rule, but in a practical way it is very much so.  The first place to practice stalking is in our jobs.

What does this mean?
As with a post I placed some time ago on the Householders Path, the key words are non-resentment and unreserved giving of oneself.  The stalkers purpose is to effect change in self.  Not to change others - change self.  We use our tasks in the world to apply a powerful lever on our habitual state, esp our state of mind.

So the primary principal is to enter the work place with the intention of having it strip our self-importance bare.  We accomplish this by NEVER feeling resentment to the job or the manager or our fellow workers, and applying everything we have - the rule of DEMAND. 

Here are some tips I have painfully learnt along the way.

1. Don’t overlook the power of our mundane job in our spiritual path.  It is critical.

2. Court your boss.  Never think of your boss as an idiot - no matter the truth.  From the moment you start a job, focus on your boss, and get on his/her side.  Also the next bosses up.  There are two techniques to accomplish this:

First there is a ‘way’ to psychically attune yourself to the person.  This comes from within - it is a real stalkers magical skill, and took me many years to acquire.  I always had a knack of getting off side with my bosses - it was never my fault!  They were dickheads with personal problems.  Then as I grew older, I realised it was up to me to ALIGN with them.

Second, respond to their requests IMMEDIATELY.  Not ‘in a minute’, or ‘just when I finish the last job you gave me’ or anything else.  JUMP UP and respond to her every wish instantaneously.

3.  Never waste time or energy ‘regarding others’ or getting involved with work place politics.  Just don’t do it, unless you have a specific purpose as part of your stalking - even still avoid all petty squabbles, and gossip.

4. Work hard.  Learn everything that avails itself.  Become the person who is given the keys.  Use work to flush out the concerns of the personality.  Put in far more time than you are paid for.  I once had an experience with this - when I was young I had a job for awhile at my father’s company.  I and two others were given a task late in the day that had to be finished that day.  The other two pissed of at 5pm.  At 5.30 I had the shits - why should I finish the job, when the others left?  It wasn’t fare - so I went home.  Who got into trouble - the CEO’s son of course.  But I was just beginning my whole new approach to life, and this experience stuck with me ever since - I was wrong. 

It had nothing to do with the others - whoever they were, they were irrelevant.  I should have finished that task, no matter it took me till 4 in the morning - it is my life, and I need every opportunity to strip the crap from my baggage, and build my will.  I now know, when I say I’ll do something, I do it.  Simple, no big deal - nothing gets in the way.  Nothing will I allow to stand before me and my ultimate purpose - which manifests in the smallest task I agree to.

The task of a stalker is to banish the false self.  Part of that is to use the world to cut off nourishment to the spoilt personality, the one who wants to be recognised, praised, and craves attention. 

Success in the work place is not only good for the wallet, but the first rule for a stalker - to master.

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You may have trouble with this part about one’s boss.  That is because you see it through your socialised eyes.  You see it ‘personally’.  Stalking is very different - there is no place for the personal.  We take anything as a tool – your boss? We are not interested in him or her personally in the slightest. We see this as an opportunity to know spirit, and to dance to its command instantaneously! Your boss is such a wonderful tool, because no only are we full of attitudes about ourselves and our boss, how we hate being told what to do by arseholes, and you we need to be treated with respect and dignity, but the boss’s commands and wishes can be a true exercise pad for our real boss – the bird.

Stalking is immense fun, there is no room for sour-pusses. They are light and full of mischievousness, as they play around their heavy associates.

However I want to add one thing.  After a social discussion of different types of yoga, someone turned to Gurdjieff and asked him what type of yoga he taught.  His response was a Russian word, and the author said it was not simply translatable in English (interesting in itself), but that it meant responding to a command instantly, with out the slightest moment of delay or consideration.

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Some do not understand the meaning of the practice called stalking.  It has been mooted that stalking means to trick your poor unfortunate companions through life, with contempt and relish in torture.  No, my dear brethren, that thought is erroneous.  Stalking is quite different.

It’s unfortunate consequence is magical control of one’s world.

DJ had a most wonderful example of blunt stalking for CC, when he physically turned his head, holding for a long time.  Stalking is manipulation of the world in a most sophisticated way to create an effect inside of ourselves.  DJ’s experience in the place of the man who shot him.  How he related to the top woman.  Sucking up!  That’s an understatement of ludicrous proportions.  His studied her with the intent of a man who knew his very life was dependant on how he could keep her on side.  This is serious stuff, we are all fighting for our lives.

So DJ shifted CC’s focus of view, which shifted his world view, and thus him, in a powerfully symbolic way.  But we as stalkers have the one purpose of stalking, to create that shift inside of us.  This is a sophisticated shift, one towards awakening of our awareness of so much that is available within us.  Thus we tackle the world like a huge dog, as we lie around beneath it, play fighting, knowing it could bite your head at any moment.

I recently had to take a maremma dog to the vet, and he was a huge dog - I’ve seen this guy fly off the edge, and there was no way you’d want to be at the other end of that.  On the chain, he refused to move - he had never been on a chain in his entire life, they live in the paddock with the sheep, they are big white woolly dogs that bounce everywhere. Shit! How were we to get him inside the combi, let alone hanging on to him on the trip to town.  Still in the end I picked him up, he was soft and meek.  I hoped anyway, but apart from a small incident with the vet, he was perfect.  Poor bugger, he has grass seeds inside, we expect him to die.  That’s what it like out here.  So there I was holding him with fascinated and intense attention... you never knew, and he had a beautiful nature - to think I used to think him a wild unpredictable and very dangerous if mistake made type of beast. 

Thus we look at our world with the shrewd manoeuvre of using its intense demand of focus to shrink the conformed mind.  To discover new horizons within ourselves.

But far from creating fear and repression in the world around a stalker of the third world, health and vitality spring forth.  A true stalker heals outwards as she heals inwards. 

But there is a formidable barrier to entering this perception, and it must be evicted - no other options are available I’m afraid - not as if you could keep it as a little doggy, this querulous toad of a creature - tell it to piiissofff! 

Go empty, go empty young man.  use your world to heal self - only a healthy self can be left behind with out some regret - heal self.

[Michael]

I am trying to give here pragmatic rules of action.  I chose our job as the first, because it consumes such a huge part of our lives - it is right in our faces.

This second rule is a little different.  But I place it second because of its overwhelming potential.  When I say travel I do not mean travel within your own culture, or one similar, although that type of travel is also useful.  But for the purpose I have in mind, only travel to a very different culture will do.  That means Asia, Africa or South America, as far as most of us from western cultures are concerned.

I also know there is a problem with travel, it costs money.  As one gets older and develops responsibilities with work and family it becomes harder to travel.  But actually it isn’t as hard as we think - the problem is, if you had $5000 spare, what would you spend it on?  I bet 6 months in India or Africa is one of the last things you would think of.  It is really a matter of priorities.

These priorities are mostly set by our social environment.  And this is the point.  We pride ourselves on our uniqueness, but in reality our behaviour, attitudes and desires are clones of the available options proffered by our culture.  Especially our close culture - family, friends and living area.

Our identity is not our own.  And the greatest ‘owner’ of our ‘self’ is the culture we belong to.  Stalkers are fixated on the task of breaking the alien mould that prescribes us.  Extended travel to very different cultures is one of the most powerful jolts possible to our ‘false-self’.  Take my word for it.

When I was in my early twenties, I travelled all over Australia.  Then had a weird idea, one that no one I knew had ever done (this was 30 years ago).  After a stint in the Army I decided to go overseas.  I travelled to Europe - hitchhiked through Briton, travelled throughout Europe and the Mediterranean countries like Yugoslavia, Greece and Italy etc.  Great adventures.  But I remained much the same person, just a little ruffed up. Then one day at the end of this trip I got the wild idea to cash in my plane ticket from London to Sydney Aust, and with that small amount of money, travelled overland through Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Malaysia to Darwin on the north tip of Australia - sick as a dog and nearly dead with hepatitis. 

I travelled as cheap as was possible, sleeping in Sikh temples, hitchhiking, and staying in the worst dives imaginable.  That journey, taken wide-eyed and with little empathetic understanding of the world around me, changed my life like nothing has ever since.  I never went home, in an inner sense.  My mother much later said, “India stole my son.”  She was right.

It is so hard to break this mould - I returned to South-East Asia, Indonesia and India many times after that, and each time was fascinated at how this false-identity caked off me after about a month of travelling - had not even noticed it sticking to me until it began to fall off in slabs - often very painfully, but sometimes in extreme bliss.  I was ‘on the path’ by this time, but even that (and in those early days I practised every exercise I could find assiduously) couldn’t protect me from ‘turning into a clone’ of my culture again and again.  It is so powerful, so pervasive, so insidious.  No one can hold out.

The most precious time to experience in travel, is when you return home.  Never waste time travelling as a tourist.  Use every skill and opportunity available to merge with the culture you pass through.  Dress like them, stay where the locals stay, eat their food, crap their way, and eat their way (big issue in Asia).  Allow yourself to ‘give up’ and drop into their view of the world.  Then when you get home, you will be hit by reverse culture shock.  It is like a trap door opening up and there is nothing underneath - pure endless space. 

The first times you experience this it is terrifying, but after a few times, you realise that this opening is what the Toltec path is all about - the gap between the worlds, between Views.

[Michael]

This is more complicated than just that, but still leaving everyone you know is the most significant first step in this rule.

The principle behind this is the one Rajneesh used: Use Both Banks of the River.

The application of this is the mark of a person of knowledge: Controlled Expression, followed by Controlled Silence.

That is how spirits recognise that someone of power has entered their area, but it is also the mark that we apply to every area of our lives, including forums.

So also with Leaving.
The third rule of stalking is actually Leaving and Staying.

First step is to leave everyone you know, your family, your friends, your town, your locale, and live in a new area where no one knows you.

It is only necessary to do this twice.  The first time we tend to recreate ourselves despite our best efforts to become new.  So this first stop is an intermediate phase - best to hold on for one to two years.  Then you will be ready to make the next jump, to where you will live for a long time - at least 10 years.

The reason is, after practicing leaving twice, if you keep it up, you will most likely be running from yourself, whilst carrying yourself every where you go.

So then we practice Staying.  This is important, as we try to understand ourselves by reflecting on the effect of our influence on our environment.

Staying means relationships - becoming involved with places and people.  We can’t aford to remain aloof and protect our self-image.  We jump in and engage with people where they are - learn to get along with them and shoulder their problems, instead of spitting them back and walking off. 

But over time we observe very closely the quality of our influence on our world, and if it isn’t how we expect, then we have to change something in ourselves.  This is not a matter of immediate influence which can be the result of other people’s problems, but long term influence across the broad scope of our life’s field of action.  There is no escape there from a true reflection of our inner nature.

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[elliot]

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I am relatively young on this forum.  However I must say.........


......Thank You

[elliot]

I just got done with a class in leadership at the local university.  It was very interesting becuase we did personality surveys using the D.I.S.C. personality profiles.  Has anyone ever heard of this?  They mainly apply to what kind of worker you are, how you react and perceive fellow co-workers, how you communicate in the workplace.

D is for the Dominant type.  The one who forges ahead at all costs.
I is for the Influencle type.  People person, gets things done through others.
S is for stability type.  More of the status quo type.  Show them what to do and they'll do it, just leave them alone.
C is for the consciencous type.  They are the accountants, the number people, the "Show me the Facts" type.

The one thing that I learned that was the most beneficial is that all types are just as effective as the other.  Where as I used to judge management styles before I look now at the strengths of each individual types.  And knowing and perceiving everyone elses personality tyoe has helped tremendously with aligning myself with others and with the total goal. 

I have found that when the complete objective is identified and persued.  It doesn't matter what your style is.  We are all striving for the same thing.  This collective in the business world benefits me within, knowing that we can all achieve the same exact goal from different angles.  Whether be it business, relationships, spiritual.....

Help me if I am off my rocker


Oh, By the Way..  Guess what type personality I am according to the DISC profile???

[Shamaya]

Hey Elliot!
I have heard of this before.  The program that I was taught had different names for the four groups, but basically the same thing.  The goal was to make the empolyees realize that there are different types of people and if you can figure out what type of person you are dealing with you can use different techniques to more easily reach your goal.  Pretty interesting stuff
They also brought forward the aspcet of synergy  ie: one horse can only pull say 100 lbs, but 10 horse could pull 1500lbs.  Enforcing the idea that we are stronger as a group than individually.

[Jennifer-]

Hi Elliot, its a pleasure to meet you and have you here!

Oh, By the Way..  Guess what type personality I am according to the DISC profile???

What are ya?

Much Love, Jennifer

[Jahn]

Oh, By the Way..  Guess what type personality I am according to the DISC profile???

S is for stability type.  More of the status quo type.  Show them what to do and they'll do it, just leave them alone.

I would suggest the one with "just leave them alone". At least that is much my own type. 

[elliot]

Maybe I am an S, in this world (this nagual).  However, In the business world I am of a different type.  My personality type is different from when I am at work and when I am at home.  I wouldn't see why that wouldn't be the case here as well.

Another obersvation that I want to share from this class.  It was a sixteen week class and the very first day the instructor put us through an intensive survey that lasted 3 hours.  When we came out of it we were given our each individual personality type.  We were also asked to answer the questions in the survey as they pertained to our work day.  Actually I came out with two types that tied.  when That happens you are capable to adapt your personality according to the situation (someone from and entry level position might perceive this as the kiss ass type.)  we know this is not the case, for us at least.  It is about alignment.  Not furthering ourselves by serving the ego.  Anyway, there was twenty of us in the class.  By the end of the sixteen weeks I have never gotton closer to a group of people in my life.  The brood range of personalities as well.  And I think this came from us all understanding were we came from and practicing some of the communication principles that the class out lined for the individual personality type.  Still, to this day I am in contact with everyone of them.  We have even gotten together, all of us, for some pints and buffallo wings. 

The last three jobs that I have had over the last 9 years, I have been promoted within 3 months of starting to work there.  With another promotion within a year for two of the three of the jobs.  The current role I am in has shown me three promotions in the last 2 1/2 years.  I always smile when I get called a kiss ass as well.  It is funny.  Becuase I am notorious for telling superiors, no when yes is not going to work.  I am also know for my "putting the foot down", when I feel there is errouneous claims or unethical treatment.   

I am not sharing this to toot my horn.  Just supporting the claims of alignment and stalking.  It works and you don't have to comprimise your self in the process. 

if you still want to guess...email me.  I'll tell you if your right or not.

I will write more of DISC later after I uncover my buried notebooks   . . . . . . ..... .

[elliot]

Gunslinger was spot on.

[Zamurito]

Even if one is not a native stalker, everyone should practice it.  This isn’t really a rule, but in a practical way it is very much so.  The first place to practice stalking is in our jobs.

What does this mean?
As with a post I placed some time ago on the Householders Path, the key words are non-resentment and unreserved giving of oneself.  The stalkers purpose is to effect change in self.  Not to change others - change self.  We use our tasks in the world to apply a powerful lever on our habitual state, esp our state of mind.

So the primary principal is to enter the work place with the intention of having it strip our self-importance bare.  We accomplish this by NEVER feeling resentment to the job or the manager or our fellow workers, and applying everything we have - the rule of DEMAND. 

The task of a stalker is to banish the false self.  Part of that is to use the world to cut off nourishment to the spoilt personality, the one who wants to be recognised, praised, and craves attention. 

You may have trouble with this part about one’s boss.  That is because you see it through your socialised eyes.  You see it ‘personally’.  Stalking is very different - there is no place for the personal.  We take anything as a tool – your boss? We are not interested in him or her personally in the slightest. We see this as an opportunity to know spirit, and to dance to its command instantaneously! Your boss is such a wonderful tool, because no only are we full of attitudes about ourselves and our boss, how we hate being told what to do by arseholes, and you we need to be treated with respect and dignity, but the boss’s commands and wishes can be a true exercise pad for our real boss – the bird.

Stalking is immense fun, there is no room for sour-pusses. They are light and full of mischievousness, as they play around their heavy associates.

Thus we look at our world with the shrewd manoeuvre of using its intense demand of focus to shrink the conformed mind.  To discover new horizons within ourselves.


Go empty, go empty young man.  use your world to heal self - only a healthy self can be left behind with out some regret - heal self.

This is a very important post for me.  I've read it no less than a half a dozen times in the past few months.  I've trimmed it down a bit, not to say that which I trimmed was irrelavant, only for brevity.

This about sums it up for myself lately... 

Michael:  "You may have trouble with this part about one’s boss.  That is because you see it through your socialised eyes.  You see it ‘personally’.  Stalking is very different - there is no place for the personal.  We take anything as a tool – your boss? We are not interested in him or her personally in the slightest. We see this as an opportunity to know spirit, and to dance to its command instantaneously! Your boss is such a wonderful tool, because no only are we full of attitudes about ourselves and our boss, how we hate being told what to do by arseholes, and you we need to be treated with respect and dignity, but the boss’s commands and wishes can be a true exercise pad for our real boss – the bird."

You see, I'm not a natural Stalker.  It's a learned trait that, at times, I have difficulty with.  I prefer to be left alone.  I know what to do, let me do it.  Unfortunately, my boss, the owner of the company, feels the need to really be a dickhead.  (No, no, seriously!  This is above and beyond all the Other petty annoyances that stir my SI.)   

Unfortunately for me, I've missed many of these opportunities he's presented due to the fact that my SI just loves to rear it's ugly head.  (As I'm sure most of you already know, I'm the most SI member of this list!)  *cackles*

Just ask Serafina...she got an earful yesterday.  Holly smokes!  As I was ranting and raving to her about this idiot, it's like I became 'disconected' from the conversation.  My lips were flapping on the phone to her, yet it's like another 'me' moved away a few feet, and was watching myself on the phone to Ang.  For just that moment as I moved away I had a shrewd ruthlessness that moved into me, a feeling that said, "Why don't you just shut the f*** up and quit complaining?  You've already missed the opportunity that was presented, so just stop it." 

Heh.

My timing is getting better, moving closer to acting on these situations as they arise as opposed to 'getting the message' after the situation has passed. 

Just thought I'd share....

Zam I Am

[Michael]

good experience there Zam,

the sign of a civilised man is the ability to stand outside himself and watch himself dispassionately.

the sign of a civilised woman is .... wait, I think that's an oxymoron.

(at least you could have fixed the typos in that post of mine)

[Angela]

"Why don't you just shut the f*** up and quit complaining?  You've already missed the opportunity that was presented, so just stop it." 

No, that was me on the other end of the phone line

[Quantum Shaman]

Just ask Serafina...she got an earful yesterday.  Holly smokes!  As I was ranting and raving to her about this idiot, it's like I became 'disconected' from the conversation.  My lips were flapping on the phone to her, yet it's like another 'me' moved away a few feet, and was watching myself on the phone to Ang.  For just that moment as I moved away I had a shrewd ruthlessness that moved into me, a feeling that said, "Why don't you just shut the f*** up and quit complaining?  You've already missed the opportunity that was presented, so just stop it." 

The thing you've just described - stepping to the side of yourself and hearing your gums flapping - is a huge gift.  I have personally found it to be a function of the double - because when it happens to me, it's as if I side-step into Orlando, and stand there watching Della going through the motions of her humanform yada.  Sometimes it's entertaining, other times it's folly incarnate, still other times, I want to reach out, put a hand over her mouth and say exactly what you said, "Shut the f**k up and just breathe.  Just... breathe!"

The trick, of course, is learning to heed that little voice BEFORE the gums start flapping.  *LOL*  Much harder.   

[Zamurito]

No, that was me on the other end of the phone line

Ha!