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Deep Liberation
« on: November 17, 2024, 04:58:02 PM »
I can't recommend this book enough. Now interesting, Bornamber brought up Trauma and this book deals with the core of it, but using a shamanic approach to heal the trauma. Now Michael isn't wrong, the word trauma might be overused today. But, I would say, It might be the best fitting word we have. It discusses childhood trauma, going into adulthood, the implications if there is a lack of spiritual life or even initiation from childhood, to adulthood, which we don't really practice much. Now, some cultures do, like say Hispanics or Jewish folks, they do have these rituals. But many do not have these types of rites of passage for the young. And they are being thrown into a world, which nowadays, can be very traumatizing and isolating. So it's a good read check it out:

"A warrior doesn't seek anything for his solace, nor can he possibly leave anything to chance. A warrior actually affects the outcome of events by the force of his awareness and his unbending intent." - don Juan

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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2024, 03:27:08 AM »
Wow! Awesome thank you!

The lady I mentioned that used the words trauma culture said initiation into adulthood had to do with knowing how to ask for help … either from family or from the spirit realm. I imagine this knowing is how one is humbled into feeling connected to something larger than oneself.  And the responsibility that comes from such a reciprocal relationship.

Does this book touch on that?
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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2024, 04:03:03 AM »
Wow! Awesome thank you!

The lady I mentioned that used the words trauma culture said initiation into adulthood had to do with knowing how to ask for help … either from family or from the spirit realm. I imagine this knowing is how one is humbled into feeling connected to something larger than oneself.  And the responsibility that comes from such a reciprocal relationship.

Does this book touch on that?

Yes! It touches on also calling on ancestors for help as well, teaching how to do this. It also speaks on how in past folks had community, where now it's more isolation. Yes definitely check it out!
"A warrior doesn't seek anything for his solace, nor can he possibly leave anything to chance. A warrior actually affects the outcome of events by the force of his awareness and his unbending intent." - don Juan

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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2024, 06:32:23 PM »
By coincidence, I heard on the radio this morning a discussion about trauma, and the man being interviewed said there was a case recently in North America at a college where the teacher gave an exercise to the students to read and examine a book by Plato. The students complained that they were becoming traumatised by having to read Plato's writings. They badgered her and the institution so much, it began to trigger the teacher's own past trauma from her childhood, so she asked them to stop. But they then complained that she was setting up a hierarchy of trauma.
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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2024, 12:33:18 AM »
In my current teacher training course the module we are going over discusses how EVERYONE has uncomfortable memories from childhood, as is the nature of being alive and social beings. The “trauma” happens because we don’t know how to sit with and regulate our own discomfort so we get caught in traps of always pushing away pain or chasing pleasure.

Basically that we can’t handle discomfort and it becomes a perpetuating cycle of stress.

So the whole purpose of the class is to train awareness of our habits of reactivity to discomfort, pleasure, neutrality and then to utilize somatic practices to work with the discomfort and gain more trust in one’s own ability to handle stress.

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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2024, 03:08:39 AM »
By coincidence, I heard on the radio this morning a discussion about trauma, and the man being interviewed said there was a case recently in North America at a college where the teacher gave an exercise to the students to read and examine a book by Plato. The students complained that they were becoming traumatised by having to read Plato's writings. They badgered her and the institution so much, it began to trigger the teacher's own past trauma from her childhood, so she asked them to stop. But they then complained that she was setting up a hierarchy of trauma.

Are you being for real?  ;D
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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2024, 07:17:57 AM »
In my current teacher training course the module we are going over discusses how EVERYONE has uncomfortable memories from childhood, as is the nature of being alive and social beings. The “trauma” happens because we don’t know how to sit with and regulate our own discomfort so we get caught in traps of always pushing away pain or chasing pleasure.

Basically that we can’t handle discomfort and it becomes a perpetuating cycle of stress.

So the whole purpose of the class is to train awareness of our habits of reactivity to discomfort, pleasure, neutrality and then to utilize somatic practices to work with the discomfort and gain more trust in one’s own ability to handle stress.

That all sounds quite reasonable, because childhood 'uncomfortable memories' are very common. Still, there are degrees of uncomfortableness.
I hate to throw a spanner in this, but I actually don't have any uncomfortable memories from childhood. I mean, aside from teething, pooing, feeling hot or cold which are the default range of early childhood, which I'm sure I went through, my experience was happy for two reasons. Firstly, my parents were balanced and sane, and always supportive. Secondly, as my mother told, I was born happy, and nothing seemed to dent that predilection. The result was not that I chased pleasure and avoided pain, but that throughout my life I chased adventure and have been willing to accept the pain associated with that.

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Re: Deep Liberation
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2024, 05:15:40 AM »
Something interesting. I was on the chapter dealing with inner child and parents. And he has some pretty good techniques to go in meditation and talk to the inner child, see what they do. But he also talked about things like destroying the old inner child home in these journeys. I actually did a dream workshop with Thor years ago, in The Crack. I did do a live with the group. And then I did walk them all through a huge thing with the inner child, and one of the things was to burn down the inner child home. I remember after, when I was done, the live was silent a bit, and then folks started commenting the release it was. I know one of my buddies Dan really was impacted by burning the home down. Now thing is, the technique itself just came to me. I already planned on using it. But it was not something I ever read. So for him to mention even a whole destruction or fire, even of a neighborhood in the dream landscape, to free the inner child, was on point. Course we didn't leave these inner children astray. I also had them take them to a safe place through the guided meditation.
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