Michael , i understand your question from the perspective i believe you are asking ,
and that ineffable then as you say is so effable its not funny.
Jahn ,
when i read your statements , it leads me to to see
what has been written about sorcerers throughout the bible ,
in the face of "god" no magic trick would stand up from any sorcerer.
from what i have understood silence is the main trick of sorcerers in toltec terms to arrive at the ineffable
yet i also understand we can be led by the water itself which is very much alive
and that is progressive
when we look at those stars we see stars
yet when we look here we see something different
the symbolic journey and the characters exist here "wholy"
and some travellers are existing here in form journeying again throughout that immediate perception
of the stars manifest on earth
the mountain of lights can be reached upon the water as that journey
it is no wonder the christians buddhists muslims etc reach extreme breaking points
where at turns in history new perspectives are arrived at as superior to another
and supercede them
what would be of more value would be a stage of understanding and not tampering trifly
i can completely understand why the conquistadors would have found the toltec distasteful
and separatist in their view
having encountered one eyed "lead" based upon present faiths
taken for granted
poke myself in the eye ?
the value of "truth "
as the path is monumental
and that truth guided by faith
that alignment "not strategic "
open eyed and following the "alpha and omega" path as
"sophia " untainted archetype existing with each one as silences ears
and the light as the way "truth" personified
when jesus said who will follow his father should pack up and begin walking even from their family
was a strong sentiment i could understand now
being led that way
i cannot speak for toltec or christian as i am neither or both
i can only describe or try
from what i can gather myself in relation to that
BTW , under the circumstances here i dreamed last night i went
to see a "toltec" statue to gauge its "energy or power or memory of power"
it had its arms crossed
and outside lowly lit
as far as i can see the toltecs are embodiments of energetic structure themselves
and like reincarnated archetypes
of another side to a human
the collection of archetypes existing through carrying the seed to another generation
through embodying the stories as myths
as is the christian faith also an attempt at existing further the formula worked out
to give a stable base to existence for future generations
just like this thats the reason i believe a working relationship better to be arrived at through introspection
and balanced centre point discussions
to find parallels and working models of universal truth s
for universal growth based upon working truths even laws
laws being proven models
one thing about toltecs i found is working for the loss of self importance
yet a path that is carved around power
not that its not imprinted in every being in some stage
it just seems a strange inconsistency to have been embedded into that path
only to be later dropped
as with so much of it
it seems to me to represent a pantomime
of pointing to truth s through an active role play
yet i found carlos castanedas attempts to have been lost to so many
i am just not so sure about where a lot are pointing
sure im rambling
but i have a lot to get out
