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Emotions, Kierkegaard and Buddhism
« on: June 26, 2010, 12:39:51 AM »
This is a summary in my own words of a paper by a friend of mine (Bill McDonald), who is a Philosopher, and whose speciality is Kierkegaard and Buddhism. The title of his paper is “The dialectic of moods, emotions and spirit in Kierkegaard and Mādhyamika Buddhism”. I am adding in a lot of my own comments to help draw out the argument that Bill makes.

“In nineteenth century Europe there was an epidemic of boredom, whose aetiology is to be found in the social reorganization of time, the creation of mass entertainment, and the loss of earnest passion about God, salvation, and eternity.  Boredom consisted in feeling that time is 'empty' or 'meaningless'.” (BM)

“The soul is the seat of feeling, for Kierkegaard, and although this includes the purely self-regarding feelings of mood, it also includes feelings directed towards others.  It is this latter element which allows the soul to be saved.  The soul’s salvation depends on its role in the realization of spirit [Aand].” (BM)

From Kierkegaard’s  ‘Sickness Unto Death’: “A human being is spirit.  But what is spirit?  Spirit is the self.  But what is the self?  The self is a relation that relates itself to itself or is the relation’s relating itself to itself in the relation; the self is not the relation but is the relation’s relating itself to itself.  A human being is a synthesis of the infinite and the finite, of the temporal and the eternal, of freedom and necessity, in short, a synthesis. ...  The human self is such a derived, established relation, a relation that relates itself to itself and in relating itself to itself relates itself to another.”

Compare: His Holiness the Dalai Lama XIV in ‘Ethics for the New Millenium’, “... spiritual practice ... involves, on the one hand, acting out of concern for others’ well-being.  On the other hand, it entails transforming ourselves so that we become more readily disposed to do so.  To speak of spiritual practice in any terms other than these is meaningless.”

Kierkegaard interpreted boredom (and all other negative moods) in spiritual terms - as an affliction of the soul. Failure to feel concern for anything outside oneself - boredom is failure to care for others.

As a temporary measure he advised patience, “to gain one’s soul [Sjæl]” - calmly meditating on eternity. But ultimately only a complete reorientation - the care and concern towards others - would cure all afflicted moods.

Care is also linked to suffering - it connects us to the suffering of others through empathy, sympathy and compassion, or to our own suffering in emotions such as guilt and erotic love.

“Erotic love can turn to jealousy and even hatred, when self-concern in the relationship outweighs concern for the other.  Erotic love can also arouse feelings of eternity – either as intimations of undying love, or as one manifestation of the drive for immortality.” (BM) When erotic love is directed outwardly, to another or to eternity, then it is beneficial, but when it is directed to selfishness it is a a kind of illness that requires a cure.

Kierkegaard sought stability in our focus on eternity, or care for others. One remedy for this was deliberation on edifying talks and literature, “to cultivate ethical and religious virtues, such as humility, patience, gratitude, hope, courage, contentment, happiness, and joy.” (BM) These virtues were directed towards universal qualities, “gratitude for all things as gifts from God; expectation of the good for everyone; and joy in hardship”. (BM)

These stabilising practices were ultimately for the development of a moral character, felt with conviction. The building up of these virtues are a first stage on the path of Christian spirituality.

[Before we move to the next phase of Christian spirituality, you can see in this, why Christian place such emphasis on being ‘good’. Or what I would call being ‘goody-goody’, upright citizens, who hold the conventional wholesome moral fabric of society and individuals in very high esteem. Because it saves people from the illness of afflicted mental states, moods and emotions, and lays the foundation for the next step.

Now we get to the really interesting part for me, of the Christian spiritual path. This is for those who seek to go on to an advanced level. I find this fascinating, and horrifying. By the time I came up through the Catholic Christian schooling, emphasis on this next bit was considerably attenuated, so when I read it now, I know exactly what they are talking about, but never had it explained clearly.

To grasp this next process you need to understand a term: ‘inverse dialectics’.
Meaning:
“joy is attained through suffering, life through dying, and hope in God through despair of one’s own capabilities”
“that we must become poor in order for God’s richness to become manifest, that we must grow weak in order that eternity grow strong in our lives, and that we are to lose all in which we place our hopes in order that Hope reign, for only through loss do we gain the eternal promise.”

Reading this you can see many correlations with much that we recognise as critical to the ‘universal Path’ found in all schools. And yet it is how Christianity takes these insights and applies them in their own way that is most interesting.]

Kierkegaard: “in working [one] also ... work against oneself”.
This engenders a ‘passion of faith’ which is inherently paradoxical, against the reasonableness and sanity built up in the earlier phase.

For example, on the one hand you have a pragmatic moral and virtuous character, and yet then you are asked to believe in fantasies - the “incarnation of the divine in the person of Christ”. This dichotomy I have witnessed first hand in my neighbours, who on the one hand are extremely sceptical of all things otherworldly and hold to money-making as the highest goal, pride themselves on being rational, sane, scientific, while on the other hand are devoted Catholics who believe all the virgin birth and God coming into man stuff.

“Faith must be maintained against the offence to reason of its absurd object, and against the worldly values of prudence, cleverness, and self-regard.” (BM)

But the next bit is where we really get down and dirty. Inverse dialectic also directs us to grovel. We have to enter into abject humiliation and despair as a sinner beyond any capacity to save ourselves. This is critical, because if you can save yourself, then there is no need for God.

“Salvation is entirely dependent on God’s grace.” Thus we have to descend into utter and complete dissolution of self. We become debased and defiled - becoming “as nothing” before God by acknowledging our distance in sin from God. Only in moving to the ultimate in worthlessness can we achieve worth, and that only by God offering it. There is no guarantee He will.

There is a fine distinction here in that all the first phase is not to be seen as making oneself worthy for God’s grace, which is the heresy of the Masons, but “necessary to open the individual to the possibility of receiving grace”. It is crucial in Christian spirituality that ‘spiritual empowerment’ is avoided at all costs.

Guilt is the prime state, which creates in us not remorse which leads to clear-consciousness, but rather intensified into sin-consciousness “which is crucial to ‘becoming nothing before God’ and having faith in forgiveness and atonement.  If there is nothing to forgive, one needs no faith in forgiveness.” (BM)

Here we have the crux - Christian spirituality is all about forgiveness. That’s the word around which the whole Christian edifice revolves, and the prism through which you can make sense of all that Christians do and believe. As  spiritual path, one must descend to a point of absolute readiness and realisation that only God’s forgiveness is real.

On the path it is acknowledged that this all this grovelling in worthlessness can lead losing oneself in despair. The antidote to this is to focus on Christ. “To believe in Christ is to believe in the possibility of forgiveness and atonement.  To believe in Christ is also to strive to imitate Christ in one’s own life, to embody self-sacrificing love [agape] in every action, to love the next person as oneself.” (BM)

So there you have it. That’s enough for the Christian approach to Emotions. Next I will compare to the Buddhist take on this which although similar is nonetheless ultimately incompatible.
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Re: Emotions, Kierkegaard and Buddhism
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 11:01:16 PM »
Mādhyamika Buddhism also identifies ‘afflicted mental states’ as something to be rectified. It has three categories of response.

a. Specific antidotes. Each afflicted mood can be countered with its corresponding healthy mood. There are lists of these, but for example, cultivate love to combat hate, cultivate humility to combat pride. Boredom, distraction, agitation, and laxity :: meditative quiescence or meditative stabilisation.

b. Transform afflicted emotions into positive ones.

c. Meditate: the generic practice to cease all afflicted mental states in one go.

Differences and similarities to the Christian path:

1. Guilt. Playing a central role in Christianity, to engender sin-consciousness, it has no place in Buddhism whatsoever. Buddhism does recognise the role of remorse and subsequent resolve to never make such mistakes again, but guilt itself is an afflicted state for them.

Essentially Buddhists see guilt as a reification of the self, through emphasis on negative feelings. Meditation on emptiness with the relinquishment of attachments is the antidote to guilt.

2. Virtues. Both Christian and Buddhist spirituality share a common emphasis on care and concern for others.

“In addition, the ‘six perfections’ to be attained by a bodhisattva are: ethical discipline, patience, generosity, joyous perseverance, meditative stabilization, and wisdom.   The first four of these can readily be found among virtues Kierkegaard seeks to build up in his edifying talks.” (BM)

3. Nothingness. This is where I feel the big difference lies. In Buddhism, wisdom consists in the realisation of emptiness. Specifically this means the emptiness of an individual, separate self. This is based on the idea of dependence, so emptiness is the denial of independent existence. There are ‘arisings’ but no such thing as permanent self.

The realisation of emptiness - our personal inner emptiness as well as the emptiness of all things, provides us with an attitude of detachment. Detachment in turn is the antidote to clinging, while clinging is the hidden poison behind all afflicted mental states. Afflicted mental states are obstructions to discerning reality, thus any technique which allows us to discern reality is an antidote to afflicted mental states. It all hinges on a broad and profound meaning to the concept of ‘nothing’. Even that such a state exists, but specifically in regard to ourselves.

Christian spirituality does not interpret ‘nothing’ so absolutely. It tends to ascribe it to value: that we become ‘nothing before God’ is that we become worthless before Him. Not that we cease to exist fundamentally. I believe the European world view is anathema to the Buddhist concept of ‘nothing’. For Christianity there has to be something there to be saved and forgiven, something to perceive itself as worthless and a sinner. If there is ultimately nothing there, then there is nothing to save and nothing to forgive.

“Ultimately Kierkegaard’s and Mādhyamika Buddhism’s generic antidotes to afflictive mental states are incompatible.  Kierkegaard’s depends on intensifying one’s own suffering in the “inverse dialectic,” in order to maximize sin-consciousness and faith; Mādhyamika Buddhism’s generic antidote entails detaching oneself from one’s own suffering by focusing with compassion on the suffering of others and by practising non-attachment.” (BM)
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Re: Emotions, Kierkegaard and Buddhism
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 04:49:50 AM »
interesting. i think tho emptiness is really not nothingness. buddhism is not nihilism tho it does appear to border it. `form is emptiness, emptiness is form` shows the middle way. emptiness is related to dependent origin, nothing exists without something else, nothing is truly independent. but this does not mean nothing. it appears that way at first, until reminded of the middle way. there are no extremes in buddhism.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 05:09:32 AM »
also i was looking at the one quote, more of christian view, `joy is attained through suffering.` one thing christianity and west, the notion of duality is very strong. buddhism would probably share a zen koan with someone if they said joy is actually attained `thru` suffering. now i know it well, for the christian, sufferingleads one closer to god, cause christ suffered by taking in the sin of the world. this is why wacky mother theresa saw `beauty` in suffering. she saw christ in this in people. you however, can see how buddhism would have a problem with this? the buddhist wants to free themselves from suffering. they already, say for those who are bodhisattvas, are suffering for humanity in their own way. others so they suffer, albeit detached cause they have learned this. but one say, looking to wilfully suffer, to say get closer to god, you can see this looked so foreign to the buddhist. the buddhist would see this, and want to take away the suffering of the individual. this would be a foreign concept. this might even violate right view to them.
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Re: Emotions, Kierkegaard and Buddhism
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 05:40:57 AM »


But the next bit is where we really get down and dirty. Inverse dialectic also directs us to grovel. We have to enter into abject humiliation and despair as a sinner beyond any capacity to save ourselves. This is critical, because if you can save yourself, then there is no need for God.

“Salvation is entirely dependent on God’s grace.” Thus we have to descend into utter and complete dissolution of self. We become debased and defiled - becoming “as nothing” before God by acknowledging our distance in sin from God. Only in moving to the ultimate in worthlessness can we achieve worth, and that only by God offering it. There is no guarantee He will.

It is a lot info in that post but one thing is sure. the author talks about the main stream Christianity and limiting concepts which is not found in the early scriptures.

The salvation theme is not ever mentioned in the original texts. Instead the Divine realm is to be found within.
Jesus said, Do not "Look there" or "Look there" for Heaven because it is not there - Heaven is inside of you.

"Peace be with you" he said. "Aquire my peace within yourselves!"
"Be on your guard so that no one deceives you by saying, Look over here! or Look over there! For the child of true humanity exists within you. Follow it! Those who search it will find it. [No salvation mentioned here - my comment]

Go then and preach the good news about the Realm. Do not lay down any rule beyond what I determined for you, nor promulgate law like the lawgiver, or else you might be dominated by it. G Mary 4 (The Saviors farewell).
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Re: Emotions, Kierkegaard and Buddhism
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 06:20:58 AM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lewis-richmond/emptiness-most-misunderstood-word-in-buddhism_b_2769189.html

"Emptiness is not complete nothingness; it doesn't mean that nothing exists at all. This would be a nihilistic view contrary to common sense. What it does mean is that things do not exist the way our grasping self supposes they do. In his book on the Heart Sutra the Dalai Lama calls emptiness "the true nature of things and events," but in the same passage he warns us "to avoid the misapprehension that emptiness is an absolute reality or an independent truth." In other words, emptiness is not some kind of heaven or separate realm apart from this world and its woes.

The Heart Sutra says, "all phenomena in their own-being are empty." It doesn't say "all phenomena are empty." This distinction is vital. "Own-being" means separate independent existence. The passage means that nothing we see or hear (or are) stands alone; everything is a tentative expression of one seamless, ever-changing landscape. So though no individual person or thing has any permanent, fixed identity, everything taken together is what Thich Nhat Hanh calls "interbeing." This term embraces the positive aspect of emptiness as it is lived and acted by a person of wisdom -- with its sense of connection, compassion and love. Think of the Dalai Lama himself and the kind of person he is -- generous, humble, smiling and laughing -- and we can see that a mere intellectual reading of emptiness fails to get at its practical joyous quality in spiritual life. So emptiness has two aspects, one negative and the other quite positive."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81

The Madhyamaka philosophy is often misunderstood as being nihilistic:

A nihilistic interpretation of the concept of voidness (or of mind-only) is not, by any means, a merely hypothetical possibility; it consistently was adopted by Buddhism's opponents, wherever the religion spread, nor have Buddhists themselves been immune to it...[27]

But this is not a correct understanding:

[V]oidness does not mean nothingness, but rather that all things lack intrinsic reality, intrinsic objectivity, intrinsic identity or intrinsic referentiality. Lacking such static essence or substance does not make them not exist —- it makes them thoroughly relative.[28]
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2014, 04:21:19 AM »
also i was looking at the one quote, more of christian view, `joy is attained through suffering.` .

I cannot believe that Jesus said that. Perhaps a christian guy, but not Jesus.

What Jesus might have said is that: "The hungry will have a feast", "The poor will become rich" and similar statements to underline what a new lens to perceive the world was about.

Jesus message was not about suffering, if it was suffering you wanted back then, Jesus would have suggested that you just lived your life as an ordinary citizen in a state occupied with Romans, a military power that could force you to carry their luggage a mile. A military that could flog you as an animal if you didn't watch up.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2014, 04:33:41 AM »
never said jesus said that. the quote was in michaels article.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2014, 04:35:46 AM »
but i will add there are christians who believe suffering gets one closer to god. mother theresa was a big proponet of this.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2014, 05:31:32 AM »
but i will add there are christians who believe suffering gets one closer to god. mother theresa was a big proponet of this.

As one wise guy did put it: It is one great thing with being poor - then there is less room for being a sinner.  ;)

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2014, 05:35:29 AM »
but you know, thats not necessarily true. i disagree a rich person will be abad person per se. there are many who become humanitarians and donate money to worthwhile causes. i remember a most meorable story, of a woman who spent her life cleaning houses. she saved over a hundred thousand, and gave it all away to african american scholarships. in the end, the heart of the person supercedes their bank account.
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