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Attacking self-reflection
« on: September 27, 2015, 06:14:28 PM »
"The only concrete help you ever get from me is that I attack your self-reflection. If it weren't for that, you would be wasting your time. This is the only real help you have gotten from me." ~The Power of Silence.

Ultimately this is the crux of what don Juan did. Through the books with Carlos. What it boils down to is ego and completely upsetting self-reflection.

This can be down on your own. but it is difficult without a teacher, like Carlos had. Without a teacher, group, or even dear friend who is skilled in the art. But it is definitely not impossible, esp. if the warrior is brutally honest. They can attack their own reflection but this really requires knowing the self and how you tick.

It requires a lot of work, shutting off the internal dialogue, and stalking of the self. But other people are invaluable in attacking self-reflection. Check how others respond to you, and what feedback they present. Other people are great mirrors of the self. We know ourselves through looking inward, but we also know ourselves by going outward and seeing ourselves in others. Those we love, and even those we despise. Once we do these things, we can see ourselves clearly, and eventually do away with it completely.
“Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is uniquely your own.” - Bruce Lee

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2015, 09:30:54 PM »
there was a mudlark the other day pecking at a window continuously

by its reflection


seemed to spark a drive for the opposite sex i was told

as the indication of the season dictated


funny thing poles


i am sure they will create some type of hovering craft one day

based upon such principles

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 10:52:54 AM »

For me the cut off of self reflection came without me being on the warrior path and got me totally unprepared in the long journey (I was on) run.

in first it felt magical.

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 11:13:55 AM »
i believe self reflection may be within both the energy body and the physical body

as the energy body would not give way to reason its reflection as awareness would differ in its environment

through feeling seeing



the reflection of reason and reason based technologies then seen would attach to the receiver differently



the natural state of the earth and nature would deliver different sensations to the reflection


and self preservation even useful to its connection



and 'connection' being the optimal word



feeling is inclusive of the environment in this case


there are facets to movement like dreaming intent



the combination is within the world based still



like the old seers who's seeing did not save them when they got clubbed over the head



the creation of worlds or the creation of "paths"



both have responsibilities to both external and internals or both "seeing " "awareness"


spirit connects all sides as far as i can see


you can approach it where you like



"You take the high road, I'll take the low road.' kind of thing



peace/ease and movement


the stimuli you cant escape


to choose the direction



slaves say things like you can free your mind


i'd like to embody somewhat more than that though



just my personal "I " preference



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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2015, 06:32:15 PM »
"Ive been trying to make clear to you that the only worthwhile course of action, whether for sorcerers or average men, is to restrict our involvement with self-image...What a Nagual aims at with his apprentices is the shattering of their mirror of self-reflection." ~The Power of Silence.
“Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is uniquely your own.” - Bruce Lee

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2015, 05:37:14 AM »
do you prefer being the stalker or the stalkee

and when its done where do you stand ?

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2015, 06:11:14 AM »
imagine attacking self importance to a point

the point of reflection between two points becomes one point

yet attacking is a strong word

because it is aligning with the other self

so its actually coming to terms with the direction


i think it is critical to distinguish paths

to arrive upon destinations



it is confusing seeing so many religions and paths


left hand and right hand


and then middle



Nargajuna spoke of the middle


yet i understand it in my own way

so perhaps it is not the same



yet it is still the middle


as the middle is followed




I don't know if Don Juan was reaching stalking and dreaming towards this end "third attention"


Carlos seemed trapped in dreaming to the best of my knowledge and Don Juan mentioned him as someone who takes prisoners and does not give freedom


although his descriptions of the actions Don Juan gave us were invaluable and as far as i am concerned he fulfilled his task by doing so


perhaps stalking is the same as in its ability to trap and not reach the dreamer ?


i believe it was all about heart


because it was the unbiased witness able to navigate



operative word "Navigate"



sure there are other tiers to knowledge



yet if you were dreaming awake between ease and movement ? fluidly


having integrated the left side and the right side teachings


then stepping carefully across




I am not sure if Don Juan would have liked the Dzogchen leap over too



maybe it was all practice for the big event



to enter that light body



words are tricky



i could call the ego the reflection of past identified as an impression in the water



and the speed necessary to stay ahead delivered from the heart and spirit through the connection





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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2015, 06:39:53 AM »
the paradox here in the paths is in reaching "0" point - loss of reflection


and that of reaching "1" point - of reflection


"1" point - of reflection actually equaling "infinite"- points of awareness perception !


some would say the two are the same yet i would beg to differ



being that the being would be still standing when the latter occurred



returning to "chop wood carry water "



the reflection wold then also reflect infinity as a third ingredient of awareness perception

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2015, 02:05:15 PM »
As described by Don Juan at least in Castaneda books, I think being cut-off the chains of self reflection is not complicated. (Maybe this is -which is- my experience only). I think of it as an awakening of some sorts. (which I believe plenty people have in our times) The first moment all you see is yourself in a way, like being in a bubble of fog, the next you don't have this attachment.

I don't think it has to do anything with the ego.

Of course it can be deepened in, in many (such) manners...

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2015, 07:56:52 PM »
You see, this is the problem. It is our self-reflection which is considering this discussion as much as being asked to down-size itself. Basically that is impossible without external pressure.

For example:

As described by Don Juan at least in Castaneda books, I think being cut-off the chains of self reflection is not complicated. (Maybe this is -which is- my experience only). I think of it as an awakening of some sorts. (which I believe plenty people have in our times) The first moment all you see is yourself in a way, like being in a bubble of fog, the next you don't have this attachment.

I don't think it has to do anything with the ego.

Of course it can be deepened in, in many (such) manners...
[self-reflection speaking]


the paradox here in the paths is in reaching "0" point - loss of reflection


and that of reaching "1" point - of reflection


"1" point - of reflection actually equaling "infinite"- points of awareness perception !


some would say the two are the same yet i would beg to differ



being that the being would be still standing when the latter occurred



returning to "chop wood carry water "



the reflection wold then also reflect infinity as a third ingredient of awareness perception
[self-reflection speaking]

In fact, every post in this thread is self-reflection speaking. What are we to do?

Now we can go on with our self-reflections talking about our self-reflections...

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2015, 08:17:23 PM »
then i have a question


is everybody talking about the same thing



i would not be so sure every body has arrived at the same conclusions


i am very comfortable with my reflection

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2015, 09:39:20 PM »

As you 'define' it Michael,

why you see it as a problem ?

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2015, 09:45:15 PM »

Or to ask you as a teacher,

where is the problem ?

It can't be self reflection.

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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2015, 04:43:59 PM »
But Michael, who is to say others on here have not experienced external pressure on self reflection. I agree a teacher or others are best, but even spirit can apply pressure right? Also i see self reflection more perspective and self importance more what is put forth.
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Re: Attacking self-reflection
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2015, 04:53:32 PM »
For example, when i look in a mirror, my mind formulates an idea on image. Typically its false hence why we must break mirror and stand apart from it.
“Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is uniquely your own.” - Bruce Lee