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What were the signs of approaching Apocalypse described in Bible?
I remember one of them was water turning into blood (red) in rivers and seas.
Here you are: sea coast in South-East China
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Does an 'End of the world' exist?
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the world was suppose to end when we clicked over to the year 2000.
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I referred to this:
The seven vials. They are the seven plagues preceding the destruction of the great city, Babylon. They were for the greater part suggested by the Egyptian plagues. The first vial is poured out on the earth. Men and beasts are smitten with ulcers (Exodus 9:9-10). The second and third vial upon the seas and rivers. They become blood (Exodus 7:17-21). The fourth vial upon the sun. It burns men to death. The fifth vial upon the throne of the beast. It causes great darkness (Exodus 10:11-29). The sixth vial upon the Euphrates. Its waters are dried up and form a passage for the kings of the East (Exodus 14). The seventh upon the air. Storm and earthquake destroy Babylon.
Though I like more the Essene Book of Revelation:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm
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But there we are...
The Earth today stands in imminent peril
...and nothing short of a planetary rescue will save it from the environmental cataclysm of dangerous climate change. Those are not the words of eco-warriors but the considered opinion of a group of eminent scientists writing in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2675747.ece
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Published: 19 June 2007
Six scientists from some of the leading scientific institutions in the United States have issued what amounts to an unambiguous warning to the world: civilisation itself is threatened by global warming.
They also implicitly criticise the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) for underestimating the scale of sea-level rises this century as a result of melting glaciers and polar ice sheets.
Instead of sea levels rising by about 40 centimetres, as the IPCC predicts in one of its computer forecasts, the true rise might be as great as several metres by 2100. That is why, they say, planet Earth today is in "imminent peril".
In a densely referenced scientific paper published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A some of the world's leading climate researchers describe in detail why they believe that humanity can no longer afford to ignore the "gravest threat" of climate change.
"Recent greenhouse gas emissions place the Earth perilously close to dramatic climate change that could run out of control, with great dangers for humans and other creatures," the scientists say. Only intense efforts to curb man-made emissions of carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases can keep the climate within or near the range of the past one million years, they add.
The researchers were led by James Hansen, the director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, who was the first scientist to warn the US Congress about global warming.
The other scientists were Makiko Sato, Pushker Kharecha and Gary Russell, also of the Goddard Institute, David Lea of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Mark Siddall of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University in New York.
In their 29-page paper, "Climate Change and trace gases", the scientists frequently stray from the non-emotional language of science to emphasise the scale of the problems and dangers posed by climate change.
In an email to The Independent, Dr Hansen said: "In my opinion, among our papers this one probably does the best job of making clear that the Earth is getting perilously close to climate changes that could run out of our control."
The unnatural "forcing" of the climate as a result of man-made emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases threatens to generate a "flip" in the climate that could "spark a cataclysm" in the massive ice sheets of Antarctica and Greenland, the scientists write.
Dramatic flips in the climate have occurred in the past but none has happened since the development of complex human societies and civilisation, which are unlikely to survive the same sort of environmental changes if they occurred now.
"Civilisation developed, and constructed extensive infrastructure, during a period of unusual climate stability, the Holocene, now almost 12,000 years in duration. That period is about to end," the scientists warn. Humanity cannot afford to burn the Earth's remaining underground reserves of fossil fuel. "To do so would guarantee dramatic climate change, yielding a different planet from the one on which civilisation developed and for which extensive physical infrastructure has been built," they say.
Dr Hansen said we have about 10 years to put into effect the draconian measures needed to curb CO2 emissions quickly enough to avert a dangerous rise in global temperature. Otherwise, the extra heat could trigger the rapid melting of polar ice sheets, made far worse by the "albedo flip" - when the sunlight reflected by white ice is suddenly absorbed as ice melts to become the dark surface of open water.
The glaciers and ice sheets of Greenland in the northern hemisphere, and the western Antarctic ice sheet in the south, both show signs of the rapid changes predicted with rising temperatures. "
The albedo flip property of ice/water provides a trigger mechanism. If the trigger mechanism is engaged long enough, multiple dynamical feedbacks will cause ice sheet collapse," the scientists say. "We argue that the required persistence for this trigger mechanism is at most a century, probably less."
The latest assessment of the IPCC published earlier this year predicts little or no contribution to 21st century sea level from Greenland or Antarctica, but the six scientists dispute this interpretation. "The IPCC analyses and projections do not well account for the nonlinear physics of wet ice sheet disintegration, ice streams and eroding ice shelves, nor are they consistent with the palaeoclimate evidence we have presented for the absence of discernible lag between ice sheet forcing and sea-level rise," the scientists say.
Their study looked back over more than 400,000 years of climate records from deep ice cores and found evidence to suggest that rapid climate change over a period of centuries, or even decades, have in the past occurred once the world began to heat up and ice sheets started melting. It is not possible to assess the dangerous level of man-made greenhouse gases.
"However, it is much lower than has commonly been assumed. If we have not already passed the dangerous level, the energy infrastructure in place ensures that we will pass it within several decades," the scientists say in their findings.
"We conclude that a feasible strategy for planetary rescue almost surely requires a means of extracting [greenhouse gases] from the air."
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I referred to this:
Though I like more the Essene Book of Revelation:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm
Edgar Cayce's readings indicated that the one who wrote "Revelations" was not talking about an end to the Earth per se` but it was a book about meditation. The awakenings of the seven Chakra's or spiritual centers within. This Essene version is likable to me.
I have reached the inner vision
And through thy spirit in me
I have heard thy wondrous secret.
Through thy mystic insight
Thou hast caused a spring of knowledge
To well up within me,
A fountain of power pouring forth living waters;
A flood of love and all embracing wisdom
Like the splendour of eternal light.
Yes, very nice indeed. :)
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Edgar Cayce's readings indicated that the one who wrote "Revelations" was not talking about an end to the Earth per se` but it was a book about meditation.
As above, so below.
What manifests at micro level, manifests at macro level.
What happens to humans, happens to much larger beings.
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yes ...
Edgar Cayce's readings indicated that the one who wrote "Revelations" was not talking about an end to the Earth per se` but it was a book about meditation.
and so is meditation the end of the Earth
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Maria Maha Laxshmi
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What were the signs of approaching Apocalypse described in Bible?
I remember one of them was water turning into blood (red) in rivers and seas.
Here you are: sea coast in South-East China
(http://image.newsru.com/pict/id/large/965560_20070614165532.gif)
The Moon will turn to the color red.
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Does an 'End of the world' exist?
The Mayan calander only goes to the year 2012. Some say that this is it.
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The Mayan calander only goes to the year 2012. Some say that this is it.
Yes, many say this. I know a friend of mine since a small child is very sold to this idea. he returned from India a totally changed persona and has opten a path of totally purifying himself, verging on obsession.
I myself am not so sure about everything running out by this 2012 date. I say this simply because I have never witnessed it in a vision personally, I have never personally experienced anything that has spoken to me about such an occurance. All i do have is what people project themselves about it and much of that is from simply reading an article.
I have read the Revelations of St. John also and know of these end of the world descriptions. It reads to me as a kind of awakening in heaven, and total completion and connectivity, yet at the same time a loss of certain layers of the collective dream into a sort of death.
In truth though, this seems the way it goes anyway, as in that is no different from other times, is it? That which can't sustain itself in the dream of the world for whatever reason seems to fade, as if that layer had been stripped away from a dying plant.
Our only option I feel is to sustain our connectivity. As it has always been. Our attention should come back to that I feel, rather than travel into concepts of 'the end of the world'.
I also feel that if people take up the banner and parade the streets with messages of 'the end of the world' then they are actually shaping in intent. If we hold no banner and are not part of that intent shapping then we may be less likely to bring it to us.
Is it like shadow, a shadow upon the earth that has always been there?
I don't intend to fall into its shadow.
Our attention is moved, and by witnessing, we can be a little familiar with where we are at. It is like, how shall I move my awareness today, how shall I weave it into the outer - and also - how will I allow my awareness to be steered slightly and in what currents of awareness will I witness my attention shifting within.
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The Mayan calander only goes to the year 2012. Some say that this is it.
Both right and wrong. The Sixth Sun ends at 2012.
They, the Mayans in the 15th century, where living under the Fifth Sun if I remember it right.
The different editions of the Sun is related to vibrations. The Sixth Sun has a higher vibration than the Fifth and so on. Add to this the arrival of Sedna - the Red planet that complete the Zodiac. A "female" planet that accompany Pluto.
These are the eyes of Pluto and Sedna - it means Truth:
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The Snake is complete.
Pluto that we re-found in 1930, the most dramatic, powerful and high vibrating planet we know. Square the forces of Pluto for the next 100 to 140 years and you'll know what mankind are facing. 100 years is based on that Sedna has about 50 to 70 years to the turning point in her eclipse, applying, and then another 50 or 70 years waning from us.
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I also feel that if people take up the banner and parade the streets with messages of 'the end of the world' then they are actually shaping in intent. If we hold no banner and are not part of that intent shapping then we may be less likely to bring it to us.
Is it like shadow, a shadow upon the earth that has always been there?
I don't intend to fall into its shadow.
Good intent there Dan, but you also have to evaluate what the Man- Earth equation holds today.
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Pluto that we re-found in 1930, the most dramatic, powerful and high vibrating planet we know. Square the forces of Pluto for the next 100 to 140 years and you'll know what mankind are facing. 100 years is based on that Sedna has about 50 to 70 years to the turning point in her eclipse, applying, and then another 50 or 70 years waning from us.
Who says that Pluto is a higher vibe than other planets*? Why square the influences of Pluto? It's been around much longer than mankind.
And Sedna? No, the Sun may have a HUGE influence on us here (in fact humans and life forms as we know them here could not exist without it), but how much influence has a tiny object (Sedna was never considred a planet*) like Sedna that is so far from the Sun that it never gets over -400 degrees (F) there, going to have on us?
*Originally considered a planet, Pluto has since been recognised as the largest member of a distinct region called the Kuiper belt. Like other members of the belt, it is primarily composed of rock and ice and is relatively small; approximately a fifth the mass of the Earth's Moon and a third its volume.
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Good intent there Dan, but you also have to evaluate what the Man- Earth equation holds today.
Hiya Jahn,
Could you explain what that means?
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Yes, many say this. I know a friend of mine since a small child is very sold to this idea. he returned from India a totally changed persona and has opten a path of totally purifying himself, verging on obsession.
I myself am not so sure about everything running out by this 2012 date. I say this simply because I have never witnessed it in a vision personally, I have never personally experienced anything that has spoken to me about such an occurance. All i do have is what people project themselves about it and much of that is from simply reading an article.
I have read the Revelations of St. John also and know of these end of the world descriptions. It reads to me as a kind of awakening in heaven, and total completion and connectivity, yet at the same time a loss of certain layers of the collective dream into a sort of death.
In truth though, this seems the way it goes anyway, as in that is no different from other times, is it? That which can't sustain itself in the dream of the world for whatever reason seems to fade, as if that layer had been stripped away from a dying plant.
Our only option I feel is to sustain our connectivity. As it has always been. Our attention should come back to that I feel, rather than travel into concepts of 'the end of the world'.
I also feel that if people take up the banner and parade the streets with messages of 'the end of the world' then they are actually shaping in intent. If we hold no banner and are not part of that intent shapping then we may be less likely to bring it to us.
Is it like shadow, a shadow upon the earth that has always been there?
I don't intend to fall into its shadow.
Our attention is moved, and by witnessing, we can be a little familiar with where we are at. It is like, how shall I move my awareness today, how shall I weave it into the outer - and also - how will I allow my awareness to be steered slightly and in what currents of awareness will I witness my attention shifting within.
either way. 2012 isn't soon enough. i wish this world would end sooner. perhaps then the wake up call that is needed could happen. that is, if it is not too late......
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either way. 2012 isn't soon enough. i wish this world would end sooner. perhaps then the wake up call that is needed could happen. that is, if it is not too late......
The wake up call has been sounded for at least 2000 years, he he.
My attention is more on sustaining my own grounding in the void. If we are a nagual ourselves, we must have enough grounding in our own guru principle to be able to face the unknown and hold everything together as all peels away. It doesn't matter if we laugh or scream in terror, but as long as its all held together. If we are not a nagual ourselves we can for sure benefit from collective consciousness, and there are groups, circles of power. This forum here is such a circle, held by Michael.
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Both right and wrong. The Sixth Sun ends at 2012.
They, the Mayans in the 15th century, where living under the Fifth Sun if I remember it right.
The different editions of the Sun is related to vibrations. The Sixth Sun has a higher vibration than the Fifth and so on. Add to this the arrival of Sedna - the Red planet that complete the Zodiac. A "female" planet that accompany Pluto.
These are the eyes of Pluto and Sedna - it means Truth:
. .
The Snake is complete.
Pluto that we re-found in 1930, the most dramatic, powerful and high vibrating planet we know. Square the forces of Pluto for the next 100 to 140 years and you'll know what mankind are facing. 100 years is based on that Sedna has about 50 to 70 years to the turning point in her eclipse, applying, and then another 50 or 70 years waning from us.
Hi, this is some interesting knowledge. I am not an expert in this area.
Pluto, it is a circle of power yes? It is a nagual. Is it the circle of power of Yama, or is that a human interpretation/ projection onto the planet?
I'm fond of Neptune personally...
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Who says that Pluto is a higher vibe than other planets*? Why square the influences of Pluto? It's been around much longer than mankind.
Pluto represent life and Death, the sign of Scorpio, but also transformation in general. The lowest and the highest some times. That Pluto is considered to have the highest vibration of our planets is common ideas among astrologers.
Pluto has been known and unknown to the civilisations. Our western civilisation discovered it in 1930 and that made us open for its influence. World war two is a good example on its dramatic influence but also the start of heavy fertilization of crops together with the advancement in traditional medicine.
The Square force comes with the close coming of Sedna
And Sedna? No, the Sun may have a HUGE influence on us here (in fact humans and life forms as we know them here could not exist without it), but how much influence has a tiny object (Sedna was never considred a planet*) like Sedna that is so far from the Sun that it never gets over -400 degrees (F) there, going to have on us?
Of course it is cold on both Pluto and sedna. That doesnt matter. If we were standing on Sedna right now and were looking to the Sun, the Sun would be not much larger than a pinhead.
Are you telling me that we could not live without the Sun. Are you kidding? ;D What I know, if the Sun disappeared - just like that - we would have about 8 to 10 minutes and we all would be frozen and dead.
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Hiya Jahn,
Could you explain what that means?
My main message was that we shall not yell "the wolf is coming" if it is not coming. But each one must evaluate them selves whether the wolf is coming or not.
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Is that really necessary? The equation hold many parameters of which the most obvious is discussed until the cows come home, global warming, pollution, endless wars, fires, outfishing, secularisation, obesity etc. There and many other parameters that also must be considered because they support the theory of something big going on with mankind and our part on the planet.
My main message was that we shall not yell "the wolf is coming" if it is not coming. But each one must evaluate them selves whether the wolf is coming or not.
Yes, that makes perfect sense, thanks.
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I'm just reminded of a line from a movie here, in speculations such as these:
Captain Barbossa: So don't be talking about your fondness for ghost stories, Miss Turner ... You're in one!
(Quotation not exact...)
If you had asked me in 1999 about the end of the world, I would have p'shawed the notion, seeing it as a cycle in human thought and consciousness, especially related to the advent of millenia.
Surely, the downing of the Twin Towers was a symptom of something, though I believe its proper precursor was the destruction of those ancient Hindu mountain statues earlier. Down the towers went, with far more drama than Nostradamus could have inspired. Something surely to get our attention, one way or the other.
Then, for me personally, the skies in my Mid-Atlantic, US area changed. Hurricanes went on the increase, and the ominousness of them is a bit inescapable. A tree fell on my house! If the twin towers didn't get my attention, surely the tree was a sign for me, personally. Since then, I have been in the sky, literally, flying parallel to a band of deadly tornadoes, watching their utter lack of concern with the ground, fully engrossed in their own conversation.
Is the world rapidly changing? I'd have to say yes. Will there be more destruction before it's all said and done? I think perhaps, yes indeed -- though my conclusion may very well be biased by the experiences of the past 7 years. I hold open the possibility that I only say that because of the tree -- that it's only in my own "woundedness" that I hold this worldview.
I like the idea that what 2012 represents is a major shift in our consciousness -- my body and my gut tell me that we may see more horrors, though, before it's all through.
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That seems fair enough, and a nice open, receptive view of things through your own experience. It is surely 'our truth' that confirms anything that the mental mulls over.
What do you feel that tree was pointing at you for?
I recall your email on it...
I like this:
I like the idea that what 2012 represents is a major shift in our consciousness -- my body and my gut tell me that we may see more horrors, though, before it's all through.
Is it perhaps that by 2012 there ends a time where a mass of people had a chance to choose, yet many didn't, couldn't, didn't know how to, never heard the silence beyond all the noise...
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. Down the towers went, with far more drama than Nostradamus could have inspired. Something surely to get our attention, one way or the other.
It was many years sine i read Nostradamus, I saw the film too. He was right about so many things, a strange man, living as a doctor in France and curing people that had the plague among many other things. But according to him, if I remember it right, the next big thing (after 2012) will be China trying to conquer the world. They will invade Europe but getting stopped of the "feeble Northen galleys". (?) Pity that I don't have the book.
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I hear
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Is it perhaps that by 2012 there ends a time where a mass of people had a chance to choose, yet many didn't, couldn't, didn't know how to, never heard the silence beyond all the noise...
You're onto something, D!