Topic: Wandering Warrior (by MTyler)

[mayflow]

There is no place, no cyberspace,
 no innerplace, no pleasant or falseface
 where a true warrior cannot go
and reside for any temporary time.,
(Unto his/her liking)

but any warrior knows these fluxlines
 and thus knows how to wander
 the world without being harmed,
without worry as to this or that.

Such is the way of a wandering warrior's way

So a wandering warrior may go here
 or there as the
same said warrior may decide to wander
from place to place,
but there is no
place that can hold or
confine said warrior.

You can't step in the
same stream in the
same water even twice
This is a Wandering
Warrior's advice.

[zenandnow]

every moment of every sunrise and sunset will never again be repeated in nature.  we have only once.  only one chance.  only now. 

[Michael]

i know nothing about Tyler
but i know that i come down hard on Derek because he hasn't made the transition from stage six to seven.

Mayflow, you are still negotiating the passage from stage one to two.

you are filled with messages some wise woman has wispered to you long ago,

but you wander aimlessley in the Valley of Flowers.

I congradatulate you!

Oh so few make it to Nandan Kanan.

Will you also die without a purpose of fire?

[mayflow]

As far as my path goes, the steps are not clear cut, nor are they numbered. In fact sometimes they are taken in utter darkness as the dream I had posted on Ellen's forum may indicate.

Dream last night (23 April 07)

Was going to go somewhere in the dark to be guided from within. Had nothing, not even clothes or shoes. Found an old tattered coat someone had thrown away and was patched up with pieces of cloth that didn't match the main fabric (Ducking). It was completely dark and walking was difficult. It seemed helpful not to have shoes so I could feel the terrain better. Got to somewhere where I couldn't seem to step forward anymore. Turned out to be kind of a cliff and I had to climb it. At the top, I realized going down the other side would be very dangerous and tricky as I didn't know if it might just drop straight off somewhere, but I made it down ok.

Then there was just a little bit of light and I could see I would have to cross a field that was covered a couple of feet deep in soft snow. Started running thru it and realized it was easier without shoes and pants to add weight and add drag. Got to a little town and wanted to be inconspicuous (seeing as how I had no pants on) - that wasn't to be. There was a robber running down a street with a gun. There were some townspeople to one side and some police to the other and I waved to the police and pointed to where the robber had gone. The townspeople ran after the robber but the police just doing some sort of methodical search and didn't even seem to notice. In fact I walked right past one and it was like he didn't even see me.

I realized I was in Excelsior, Minnesota. It wasn't my destination but at least I knew where I was. Went thru a small arts shop and I picked up an exacta knife from the floor. The owner saw and got scared, and I looked at it and said, "it is only an exacta knife!" He started telling me how dangerous they are and I layed it on the table and said "Sheesh! Don't worry about it!" then I went out to the highway.

I knew I had to go a few miles down highway 7 and that people would see me sans pants in the headlight, so I started running to make it as quickly as I could. Then there was a pickup pulled over on the shoulder and the passenger door was open and it appeared that the driver was robbing a girl standing beside the truck and that he pulled a gun on her. I ran up to the driver's door, pulled it open and grabbed him from behind under the arms and lifted his arm to try to wrestle away the gun, but he didn't have a gun. I looked at the girl kind of surprised, and she just gave me a big smile and started giggling! Then I woke up.


I tried to back into the dream, but I couldn't, and a part of me said, "What is the difference? This whole life is like a dream anyways!"

Later I decided to make a vision of it and in the vision, the girl turned out to be a girl I once worked with but she quit work to visit and tour Japan and that area. We went off to Japan for a moment and she had this really pretty Japanese garment on and I asked if she wanted to take it back with her, but she said it was too constrictive and uncomfortable. Then we were back on the highway again and a little closer to the destination. She turned into a ball of white light and went over the trees about a mile away where I had lived my last two years of high school.

I think I (at least partly) know what this was telling me, but I don't know how to explain it.

[ellenmoksha]

i know nothing about Tyler
but i know that i come down hard on Derek because he hasn't made the transition from stage six to seven.

Mayflow, you are still negotiating the passage from stage one to two.

you are filled with messages some wise woman has wispered to you long ago,

but you wander aimlessley in the Valley of Flowers.

I congradatulate you!

Oh so few make it to Nandan Kanan.

Will you also die without a purpose of fire?

In the book (and later movie) Fight Club, Tyler is the protagonist's shadow. We never know the name of the protagonist for sure but are left assuming his name is Jack. Fight Club has to do with corporate america, how men are demasculinized in society, has some other issues with religion mixed into everything. The protagonist will interact with Tyler, but he doesn't 'realize' Tyler is him until much later on. The shadow becomes an alter ego of his, or better said a Jeckyll/Hyde.

There are 'rules' to fight club but the main one is "The First Rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about fight club." That's a message about keeping things within, that you keep things within you and not bring them out, how they become destructive. He also has an addiction to self-help groups. Marla (his anima) ends up attending, which the book doesn't directly indicate she is a projection, but you're left wondering it, esp. since she begins attending the self-help groups, and then they begin to 'alternate' when 'she' will attend a group, and he will attend a group. She's sick and dying but its because his shadow is also, literally, effing with her. He never remembers having sex with her because the shadow is doing it. His alter ego. But it really represents in an interesting twist, the corrpution of the shekinah.

In the book at the end he ends up killing his boss and blowing up buildings, in Project Mayhem. But he also finds the only way to get rid of Tyler is to shoot himself, and he lives. In the book it ends different from the movie (movie ends stupid), and he's locked in a mental ward.

[ellenmoksha]

May, couple interesting notes in the dream how you ended up in "Excelsior" and you picked up an "Exacta" knife. Both having the 'ex' at the beginning, ex ex ex. The police I think of 'order' and what keeps chaos and disorder, under 'control.' But they didn't even notice things, thus the disorder was being caused by lack of attentiveness.

The giggling girl, and Japan connection, I think of Zen laughter. In Zen, laughter is the best medicine and zen masters are infamous for laughing nonstop. Here's an interesting article on Suzuki, Merton, and Zen and laughter: http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/oct1989/v46-3-article1.htm

[mayflow]

Merton must have been quite a guy. I watched an interview with the Dalai Lama, who was great friends with Merton. When the interviewer asked about how they could be so close when from such different religions, the Dalai Lama gave one of those big deep laughs of his and pointed to his own eyes which were literally sparkling and then at the interviewer's eyes and said "When we looked into each others' eyes, there was just something there, you know."


This inspired me to write this:

Now and Zen
I'm a fool over you
Now and Zen
there's a fool such as I

Now and Zen
I turn crazy it's true
Now and Zen
there's a fool
such as I

I tried to fly
but I fell down
what to do
 but sit and cry

'til I laughed
and it made me high
Yes, now and then
there's a fool such as I!

Modern investigators of miraculous history have solemnly admitted that a characteristic of the great saints is their power of 'levitation.' They might go further; a characteristic of the great saints is their power of levity. Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." -G. K. Chesterton1

[zenandnow]

i know nothing about Tyler
but i know that i come down hard on Derek because he hasn't made the transition from stage six to seven.

Mayflow, you are still negotiating the passage from stage one to two.

you are filled with messages some wise woman has wispered to you long ago,

but you wander aimlessley in the Valley of Flowers.

I congradatulate you!

Oh so few make it to Nandan Kanan.

Will you also die without a purpose of fire?

not all who wander wander aimlessly.  just because you can not see mayflow's aim does not mean that there is not one.  it simply means that he has not chosen to share it with you yet. 

it is a wise thing to do to look past what another is choosing to show you.

[daphne]

not all who wander wander aimlessly.  just because you can not see mayflow's aim does not mean that there is not one.  it simply means that he has not chosen to share it with you yet. 

Could go either way..   

it is a wise thing to do to look past what another is choosing to show you.

Indeed it can be. It can also be a wise thing to look at exactly what another is choosing to show one.

[mayflow]

Ewwww, turning on Michael, though came in kissing his ass, wanting to dance with him, all cause you're always jealous.

So when you gonna do another 'rip the veil' moment, Glen Close?

Not sure how Zenandnow came in here, but I hardly see what Zenandnow said there as turning against Michael or anyone? Just simply said it is a good thing to realize that what you see (or think you see) in another may not be all there is. I surely don't "see" that as being or "turning" against anybody.

[zenandnow]

Not sure how Zenandnow came in here, but I hardly see what Zenandnow said there as turning against Michael or anyone? Just simply said it is a good thing to realize that what you see (or think you see) in another may not be all there is. I surely don't "see" that as being or "turning" against anybody.

i am always here.

[Michael]

i am always here.

not if you don't make more of an effort

[mayflow]

Such is the way of a wandering warrior's way

Unfettered at last, a traveling monk,
I pass the old Zen barrier.
Mine is a traceless stream-and-cloud life,
Of these mountains, which shall be my home?

                   -    Manan   (1591-1654)
                         The Penguin Book of Zen Poetry

                        Translated by Lucien Stryk and Takashi Ikemoto

[Jaharkta]

Mine is a traceless stream-and-cloud life