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Emptiness
« on: March 10, 2008, 07:36:43 AM »
I'm gonna post this article and then Ill do a post on emptiness too, below it:

http://www.eastern-philosophy-and-meditation.com/buddhism-II.html

Buddhism and Emptiness - seeing our relationship with the Universe
Some important concepts of Buddhism, which – if you choose – you can meditate on and make a part of your life, are Emptiness, Signlessness and Aimlessness. I have not done any contemplation on Emptiness. This is however a concept and a way of looking at ourselves and at the world that is revolutionary and is basic to Buddhism.

Basically almost all of us regard ourselves as individual beings separate from the rest of existence. This view in universal to the human race and is the cause of many of our problems and shortcomings.

The concept of Emptiness - as explained in Buddhism - questions our belief that we have a separate self and helps us see ourselves in terms of relationships that connect us with the rest of the Universe.

When we say that something is empty, the obvious question then is – empty of what? If we say that a cup is empty what we may really mean is that the cup is empty of water. The cup however is full of air. Therefore to be precise in our meaning we must specify that the cup is empty of water.

Similarly what does the concept of Emptiness as applied to ourselves really mean? It means that we are empty of a separate self.

When we look at a flower and think a little we can perceive that the flower could not have had its existence without the Earth, the Sun, the rain, and the gardener who tends the plant, the fertilizer and the clouds. In a way of speaking the entire Universe has come together to bring forth the flower. The flower could not exist without each and every element of the Universe that has helped bring it into existence. It is in this sense that we say that the flower is empty of a separate self. It is in no way separate from the clouds, the sunshine, the rain and all the other elements in the Universe that have caused it to have its being. As I said earlier this is the concept of Emptiness and it is basic to Buddhism.

But when you or I or anybody else who is not a poet or a thinker or a philosopher looks at a flower we generally do not perceive all these relationships. Our habits of thinking and conceptualizing cut the Universe into pieces in order to name it and classify it and thus make sense out of it. This however is just the way of our looking at the world. Our conscious attention has this characteristic that it can focus on only one very small aspect of the world at a time and it has to ignore everything else. This is however the way we think; this is not the way the Universe really is.

The concept of Emptiness of Buddhism religion forces us to look at the flower in relation to the rest of existence. It forces us to perceive the relationships between the flower and the rest of the Universe. We see that the flower arises out of these relationships; that the flower has no self and no being apart from its relationship to the Earth, the Sun, the rain and so on. And thus we are able to gain a very significant insight. We begin to see the world in terms of relationships that are interdependent. One cannot exist without all the others.

This way of regarding ourselves – as empty of a separate self and as composed of interdependent relationships with the rest of existence – could transform our ways of dealing with the world. For example the environment. We would not be as ready as we are now to pollute the air, the seas, or the rivers and to destroy the forests. This is Buddhism with social relevance as well as being a path to Nirvana.

This outlook would transform our inter-personal relationships also. We would perceive that we need our friends, our relatives, our parents, our enemies and in fact the whole of humanity for our existence and being. We would not have the sense of separation from them or from life. We would realize that we could not exist without these people and we would be more willing to respect their rights, needs and right to live and to be.

As stated earlier, we would feel connected with the whole Universe. And so the feeling of loneliness, which plagues so many people, would vanish. But for this we need to make this teaching of Buddhism a way of life for ourselves - not just any other intellectual concept.

This outlook would transform each and every aspect of our lives. Both our private lives – as individual citizens – and the public lives of politicians, social workers, nations etc would be transformed. Again as I said earlier - Buddhism with social relevance.

The problem is that these insights are not immediately obvious. We have to do a certain amount of meditation and contemplation to have them become real for us. As stated earlier, our way of thinking, of making sense of the world, our way of forming concepts is that we focus on only one aspect of our environment and ignore everything else and we try to understand it in isolation.

However – as any scientist will tell you – blood in a test-tube behaves differently from blood in our bodies. And to understand an object, or a situation or anything at all we must consider its relationship with its environment and with the Universe.

The concepts of Emptiness and Inter-being of Buddhism force us to think in terms of these relationships and we can gain insights and form a more true understanding of ourselves and of the world as compared to our habitual ways of thinking.

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Re: Emptiness
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 08:04:17 AM »
When people hear of buddhism and 'emptiness,' typically they will thing of a state of mind which is void of thought, void of emotion, void of, practically everything.

However, that's not the case at all. Emptiness is void of the *I*. It is emptying the I to the point where it is no longer a singular entity. A separate self, from everything, or anything that exists.

Like the flower analogy given above, here's the flower. It cannot possibly exist independently from the sun. It needs the sun to survive. It also needs water. It needs ground to be planted in. It isnt a matter of 'flower' and 'ground' and 'sun' and 'water.' We do separate these with mind, of course, sum of part things. The difficulty is bringing about the blurry line, wholeness of all things. But it can be done. "Earth" cannot exist without the sun, most would agree. But could the sun exist without the earth? Actually, probably not. Because if there was no earth, then its quite possible it could throw the entire solar system out of whack. Which would then, throw all the planets out of whack, and harmony. Our solar system would cease to be what it is. It wouldnt flow the way it would. Other planets could be thrown off their course, mercury might get thrown into the sun in a dramatic collision. The solar system could look like a pool table, with the cue ball shooting at it, and then it would be something else. The point is, each and every thing is dependent on something else. Thus, therefore, there is no 'independence.' Even the sun, the bold star of our solar system, needs all the planets to do their dance, in synchronicity. And if we broke it down even smaller, the sun needs us. For whatever reason, life is on the third rock. It exists, and does its whole flow. And even one tiny ant is part of it all and significant, because nothing in life is insigifnicant. An atom, is very small, but has value. However, it is not an independent thing. It still relies on other things for its existence.

Therefore, to achieve emptiness, is to dump the self, as an independent entity which is separate from anything. Our bodies are primarily made of water. If yous separated 'water' from 'self' you would fall to the ground a bag of bones, from dehydration. In essence you are water. You cannot exist independently from water. Water, isnt just a lake to sit by and gaze at. The same compounds of water that exist, flowing in that lake, exist and flow in you. Same thing, H2O. In the river, and you. Therefore, you are that. If you separated from that water, which flows in and out as you drink, which is retained so you may live, you'd die.

So if we eat an animal, eat meat, the meat is broken down into compounds, distributed into our bodies as we digest it. Now the animal, has undeniably become a part of us. If we thought back to how many animals we have eaten, what, thousands upon thousands, now we also have animals, who kept us alive. But they additionally, have become a part of us, per the distribution of proteins and vitamins and so forth. Course, this is physical. But the *I* is physical, as well. And Im very attached, my *I*, to my body, my 'self.' But where we are hindered, in letting 'go' in meditation, in getting empty, is the I clings, because it doesnt wish to realize, its not independent, from its environment. It is its environment. And just like creatures have no choice but to adapt to their environments for survival, we do this as well.

So as mind takes its journey, and the lines begin to blur more and more, its independence becomes shaken. So then it blurs, and it grabs onto it and clings. So what we do in meditation, basically is try to keep the focus, pry the fingers off the clinging one so it will let go.

Truth is the only way to really pry the fingers of the clinging one. Thats all that can be done. But wait, what is the buddha nature then? Buddhism, of course, teaches anatta, as no-self, even no-soul. But wait, there's an immortality though, a buddha nature. Whatever that is, thats the only 'ticket' to the freedom. That essence, is the only real thing we've got.

So emptiness is achieved but maybe getting the 'essence' is not. Because a paradox is, what on earth was the part that I was able to get empty? There is a cup, I emptied after all? And certainly mind can do it again and again. Get full, get empty. Its a valuable technique. Its a requirement. So we eliminate the self, and find the essence, there exists something which has no beginning, no end, which is deathless. It must be there, because if there is death, there's life. And all existence is a mere reflection of that. "Little us" is a reflection - of a bigger picture. We're the moon reflected in water. We're the cloud fleeting by, vapor, as buddha meditates - he's that.

So thats emptiness. Its not that there is 'no-thing' but its that the I doesn't exist, independently. It isn't a separate 'thing,' but its not a puppet on a set of strings either. Its the puppet, the strings, the puppeteer, the stage, the audience, the laughter, the applause, the seats in the auditorium, the curtain. And everything bleeds into each other.

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Re: Emptiness
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 09:16:49 AM »
Thich Nhat Hanh, who I would call a master or even a Buddha of this, likes to use terms like interbeingness. I think that understanding this gives us a high sense of responsibility and power since everything we do and think and say effects the entirety. We act not as sole beings but as a part of the entirety. Butterfly effect, but consciously created. When we do and say and think with purpose, this creates personal Karma most strongly but also effects the entirety of things and peoples in ever wider circles which become most of the time weaker and weaker such as the ripples from a pebble being dropped in the water. However, it may be that just one random small thought or deed or word from any of us could seriously alter the entire Universe.

Say, the pebble we tossed was accidentally ingested by a water being and caused it discomforts which attracted sharks and at the same time someone had fallen out of a boat where the sharks would have been, so we saved his life, but he grew up to be Hitler.

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Re: Emptiness
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 09:26:27 AM »
Hey May, "interbeingness." Ive read TNH plenty, but didnt come across that term. That does some it up nicely, Buddhism doesnt really teach 'not being,' which is an important aspect. Be-ing, as in all sentient beings, have buddha nature, so that must exist, even if "I" does not.

Thich Nhat Hanh, who I would call a master or even a Buddha of this, likes to use terms like interbeingness. I think that understanding this gives us a high sense of responsibility and power since everything we do and think and say effects the entirety. We act not as sole beings but as a part of the entirety. Butterfly effect, but consciously created. When we do and say and think with purpose, this creates personal Karma most strongly but also effects the entirety of things and peoples in ever wider circles which become most of the time weaker and weaker such as the ripples from a pebble being dropped in the water. However, it may be that just one random small thought or deed or word from any of us could seriously alter the entire Universe.

Say, the pebble we tossed was accidentally ingested by a water being and caused it discomforts which attracted sharks and at the same time someone had fallen out of a boat where the sharks would have been, so we saved his life, but he grew up to be Hitler.

Yeah, that would be a dilemma, however, in truth 'growing up into Hitler' while there's a connection to the life, still the being called 'hitler' chose to become hitler.

However, there is an old bodhisattva story on compassion, trying to recall it, 500 bodhisattvas are dressed as merchants, and a robber gets on the boat, going to kill them all. It was either one of the bodhisattvas, or another on the boat, chooses to kill the would-be murderer, breaking the vow of not killing another. But in actuality its compassion because, if the would be murderer of 500 bodhisattvas did end up committing the deed, his karma would be absolute hell, and probably take him millena upon millena to recover and ever get his own enlightenment. The individual of course, who tossed the pebble, didnt know the child would become hitler, who had foreknowledge, but one with foreknowledge, by removing out of the equation, may actually spare a would be hitler of a hell of an existence and six million jews. So, interconnected yes, but even great enlightened bodhisattvas cant keep their hands clean at all times.

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Re: Emptiness
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 10:42:41 AM »

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Re: Emptiness
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 10:59:37 AM »
Holy shit - he's born on 10-11. I have a really big thing about the 10-11 date and birthdays, that was my dads, and weird things happen on 10-11 days for me. Long story. I didnt know he was born then.

Isnt it bizarre how both he and the Dalai Lama have been in exile from their homelands?

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Re: Emptiness
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 11:53:59 PM »
"If you lose all differentiation between yourselves and others,
fit to serve others you will be.

And when in serving others you will win success,
then shall you meet with me;

And finding me, you shall attain to Buddhahood."

Milarepa