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Eternity
« on: September 03, 2008, 03:44:38 PM »
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Castaneda: Tales of Power:

"It doesn't matter what one reveals or what one keeps to oneself," he said. "Everything we do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we have enough of it, one word uttered to us might be sufficient to change the course of our lives. But if we don't have enough personal power, the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and that revelation won't make a damn bit of difference."

He then lowered his voice as if he were disclosing a confidential matter to me.

"I'm going to utter perhaps the greatest piece of knowledge anyone can voice," he said. "Let me see what you can do with it.

"Do you know that at this very moment you are surrounded by eternity? And do you know that you can use that eternity, if you so desire?"

After a long pause, during which he urged me with a subtle movement of his eyes to make a statement, I said that I did not understand what he was talking about.

"There! Eternity is there!" he said, pointing to the horizon.

Then he pointed to the zenith. "Or there, or perhaps we can say that eternity is like this." He extended both arms to point to the east and west.

We looked at each other. His eyes held a question.

"What do you say to that?" he asked, coaxing me to ponder upon his words.

I did not know what to say.

"Do you know that you can extend yourself forever in any of the directions I have pointed to?" he went on. "Do you know that one moment can be eternity? This is not a riddle; it's a fact, but only if you mount that moment and use it to take the totality of yourself forever in any direction."

Tolle:  A New Earth:

The twofold reality of the universe, which consists of things and space – thingness and nothingness – is also your own. A sane, balanced, and fruitful human life is a dance between the two dimensions that make up reality: form and space. Most people are so identified with the dimension of form, with sense perceptions, thoughts, and emotion, that the vital hidden half is missing from their lives. Their identification with form keeps them trapped in ego.

What you see, hear, feel, touch, or think about is only one half of reality, so to speak. It is form. In the teaching of Jesus, it is simply called “the world,” and the other dimension is “the kingdom of heaven or eternal life.”

Just as space enables all things to exist and just as without silence there could be no sound, you would not exist without the vital formless dimension that is the essence of who you are. We could say “God” if the word had not been so misused. I prefer to call it Being. Being is prior to existence.

Existence is form, content, “what happens.” Existence is the foreground of life; Being is the background, as it were.  The collective disease of humanity is that people are so engrossed in what happens, so hypnotized by the world of fluctuating forms, so absorbed in the content of their lives, they have forgotten the essence, that which is beyond content, beyond form, beyond thought. They are so consumed by time that they have forgotten eternity, which is their origin, their home, their destiny. Eternity is the living reality of who you are.

Kipper:  The first quote by CC regarding eternity has always eluded me.  Tolle's explanations of Being and Essence seems to shed some light on the subject.

What's eternity to you?  What's your interpretation of either of these quotes? 

Is eternity this Being, this Essence of living reality, this Presence of Now that scoops us away on the Wings of Intent at a moments notice as don Juan mentions?

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Re: Eternity
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 04:32:31 PM »
As I read Tolle and listen to some of his videos, I see many similarities as you've posted.  And yes, I agree that the  way Tolle presents his explanations sheds a lot more light on the original concepts.

Eternity ... hmmm... In the pat I've always thought of eternity as being formulated out of time.  "from here to eternity" ... heh!  But the past few years it seems to be an elusive bugger.  It's almost as if it's here, in your grasp, and then it's Snatched away!  Kind of like "time", or "presence" ... these concepts Are all around us, not linear.  It's "Home" ... finding my way there :)
"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 04:48:57 PM »
As I read Tolle and listen to some of his videos, I see many similarities as you've posted.  And yes, I agree that the  way Tolle presents his explanations sheds a lot more light on the original concepts.


Personally, I like the way dJM allows you to find these answers yourself.  The way he makes you pluck them out of the air, or lets them float on the wind when you are ready to find them.

I'll admit, I didn't always like things this way,  I used to want the answer right now, when I asked, didn't want to have to wait for it to come to me, subtly floating in on a breeze.

When I first met M, one of the things that used to frustrate me was how he wouldn't always answer my questions directly or right away.  Sometimes he'd wait months to answer if at all.
And then sometimes the answer he would give would seem to be such a riddle I thought I might never figure it out.   :o

Now, its a few years later and I have actually come to appreciate being taught in such  way.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 05:07:53 PM »
That's truly a great thing if it works for you. :)

Sometimes we all need time to contemplate, and time to let things sink in ... so we don't "mad" ... heh!

Imo, I think the "riddle" approach was geared towards "apprentices".  Especially in Carlos' case.  Apprentices were usually young persons caught early in life, with virtually no life experiences.  I think people who find this wondrous "path" later on in life are totally different animals and need a much different approach.  I've learned more in the past few years than I could ever imagine.  I do agree though that when the time comes, the lesson will appear.
"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
- Dag Hammarskjold

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Re: Eternity
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 04:46:02 AM »
Kipper: yes they are both onto the same thing. And why not? After all it's only the nature of our being to have these two aspects. All traditions worth their salt have espoused the same realisation. They have all juggled the insights differently, and there are some that haven't got it, or if they have you need to look under the fridge for it.

As for how it is transmitted: how do your show someone the elephant in the room? How do you tell the king he has no clothes? How do you tell a person to climb the steps that don't exist?

You know a friend of mine had a dream in which he rose up through a hole, like a seal in the ice, and as he rose through this hole into another world, there were three people dressed in white standing around the whole watching him, laughing their heads off!  He said he found the dream a bit humiliating. In fact he was angry with them, and me also when I started laughing as he told me.

I keep telling people, but they never listen: Its a joke! You just don't get it yet.

And like all good jokes, I don't want to spoil the punch line by telling it like an accountant.

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Re: Eternity
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2008, 05:36:01 AM »
What's eternity to you?  What's your interpretation of either of these quotes? 


I tend to get lost trying to interpret something. For me, eternity is now; it is always and forever, now.   ;)

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Re: Eternity
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 05:37:35 AM »
Personally, I like the way dJM allows you to find these answers yourself.  The way he makes you pluck them out of the air, or lets them float on the wind when you are ready to find them.


Me too! It's kindof fun that way!  :)

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Re: Eternity
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2008, 09:06:36 AM »
Me too! It's kindof fun that way!  :)

Yeah, it is, isn't it?

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