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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2008, 12:34:27 PM »
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The sterile ash fertilizes the new woodland and eventually a new will grow back.  It takes Seasons of winds to breathe, rains of tears that bring moisture, and bright light of warmth, to birth anew.  Maybe a small flower garden, a vegetable garden, select carefully and totally aware.  Now I can begin "flowing".


Whoa...good stuff.

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2008, 12:51:26 PM »
"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2008, 10:55:37 PM »
Ya know...I am just so done trying to stretch people's concepts to something that works...I just look at the how it is and go from there.

In the end, if you really get what I am saying (not just know and understand) it creates the possibility of you having literally anything...and everything you want in your future.

I'm aware of what you're saying. Be assured that I get what I need as I need it.

Whereas, and sorry sorry, the ways currently in place aren't really improving people's futures all that much...nothing personal...just noticing that as I look around the room at the various things I attend.

Do you really think we're responsible for improving people's futures?  Yuk!  If they really want improvement, I'm sure one day they'll take that first step.

No...I am sure you don't.  Nor are you probably thinking: butt in seat, socks on feet, pants on legs either.  So...*what* do you think you are filling your future with?  Yeah...your past...that thing you are constantly thinking about.  *Warm smiles*

Constantly? Me?  I'm thinking ... No.  Do you constantly think about your past?

We are constantly in a state of creating our future...and this has never not-been the case.  However, we are usually totally oblivious to the fact not only that we are, but also how, we are creating our future literaly every minute of every day.  We usually are just thinking about the guy that cut us off on the road...and completely blind about how that thought IS creating our future whether we wanted it to or not.

You shouldn't let people effect you that way ;)  First of all, maybe the guy was on his way to the hospital to see his wife who was just in an accident .. maybe he woke up late and is late for work ... people cut in front of me all the time, and you know what, I Let them.  But when I NEED to cut in front of somebody, they almost Always allow me ... and I wave to thank them.  Beautiful how that works when I realize how Un-Important it is in the flow.

Well...I know that Tolle and a few others are all one the Now thingy...even so they still don't quite get the: butt in seat, pants on legs thing.  That is fine for them.  We will all go off meditating in the corner and suddenly, somehow someway the earth with just magically change...someday.  Yeah...well in the time we are waiting for someday (which never shows up btw, sorry for the spoiler, but I just thought you should know).

I prefer actively creating possibilities for the future...and actually I prefer actively creating the kind of future I want.

Imo, i need not Make possibilities ... that would be me making something up, right? Beliefs, right?  The possibilities are already there.  Ego likes to "create".  Makes her feel important.  She "wants' a lot too ;)

Got that.  However, I would like to invite you to consider that the nutrients is the real you...the who you were before you started making thing mean anything.  The soil is your heart, your soul, your love.  And it is rich.

I see it going much deeper than that.

You are, in the end, you...that ball of burning energy that has something BIG to do here on earth.  You are that heart...you are that beautiful lover of life.

I Am, in the end, me ... the end ... nothing else ... nothing.

It is the meanings you made up that terrorized you...and that terror blocks you from bringing all that beauty that is in you forth...like the fear that stops you in relationships and makes the relationships turn out whacked. 

But those meanings aren't real.  You can't fix them, change them, or burn them...because they don't exist.

Terror ... fear ... trying to remember the last time I was so fearful as to be "terrorized" ... can't remember anything of late.  I'm not sure where you're going with the "fear that stops me in relationships and make the relationships turn out whacked" ... maybe your just speaking of people in general.
 
I promise you that if you just "get" (not know or understand, but get) what I say next...that that old growth will never and can never grow back...not ever.  You couldn't make it grow back if you tried.

What you say next, is the same thing you keep saying to everyone.  I know it's because you know everyone is 99.9% the same.  And because humans are so similar, they experience the same stuations, day after day, year after year, century after century...... ect.  So the prognosis is easy.  And in this prognosis, instead of freeing people from their beliefs, you actually confirm and cement them even more.  Do you realize this psychoanalytical  bullshit actually harms those you think you're helping?  Everyone has a "childhood" experience you speak of, but shit River, aren't we all past that, I mean really ... no, REALLY.  (here, I'll include it for dramatic effect ;))

And that is that there was a definitive day in your childhood that something happened (it doesn't matter what it was), you still, to this day recall that event in perfect clarity.  On that day something happened...and you (for the first time in your life) told yourself what that meant.  You made it mean something.  It was the first time your beautiful, loving, soul-self, felt like you were not good enough.  Humor me and just think of it (don't post it)...it is right there present in your mind.  You made not being good enough mean something...and that something that you made it mean has created your whole life after that. 

From that devastating day...you made a plan...throughout your life you have revised that plan.  A part of you *knows* and *understands* that that "truth" you told yourself about yourself is not-true...but another part of you is deathly afraid that it really IS true.  It is *that* which blocks you.  You don't need therapy or years and years to sort it out.  You don't need to recap it...just be present to it (without running, hiding, minimizing...or letting your internal dialog trample it).  It was a sucky day...and it hurt.  And realize that every single human everywhere has had one of thosedays in their lives. 

Now...just fully "get" that what you told yourself about what happened that day...you "made up" in your infinite little-girl wisdom. 

Many good things about you came from the plans you made that day...they will never be lost.  But the meaning...and the fear that the meaning really IS true...will be completely lost.  And you will never be able to make it mean that again...and thus, the old forest can never and will never grow again.

If and when you get that...think about how many days that took (or more pertantly, how many hours)...when I tell you that I am not interested in other people's ways, it is not because they are not all lovely, wonderful people...it is simply because none of those ways work as quickly, as affectively, or as thoroughly as this way.

I care about people "getting" it because we have things to do on this earth. 
The new will grow as soon as you choose what it is you really want. 

Just for fun...of all the things you think about...notice how little time is spent thinking about what it is that you truly want for this world. 

Why is it we don't have those things in this world? Well because everyone is thinking about how the guy at work is a jerk.  So what do we have more of?  Yeah, we have more jerks.


It's really not my concern to care about people "getting it" ... there's really Nothing to "get", anyway.

This World will take care of itself.  The inhabitants of this world may not fare so well.

I don't spend much time "thinking" anymore, unless I absolutely must.  It's quite nice  ;D

"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2008, 03:02:43 PM »

Plus, unless we reduce the criminality of 'our past' to misdemeanour, it will never allow us free to experience what part of 'now' is available to us. Our past is the Great Mafia in our life - just look at the posts on this forum, and watch as everyone retells who they are over and over.

Also watch the viciousness of people's individual Mafia. Look at those who use deception cloaked in honey. Those are the worst Mafia, for they try to enslave you, like spiders, they invite you into their web, all smiles and grins and love-heart badges. Then there are those who enslave you by fighting against you, where they trap you in their web while pretending to be antagonistic - the more you struggle, the more entangled.

People are only entrapping you in the very web they are caught in themselves - what we witness is the web of the criminal past of each person. Look for those who are only misdemeanour pasts, where a door is always left open, if only you are looking to leave. Look for the non-sticky webs, they are much better associates on this narrow track.

I like this.  Or even go further and reduce the charges to "parking ticket".  A mere fine.  No long lines, no traffic school, no community service, no judge, no jury ... no struggle.  Imagine the freedom then.  Wow!!
"There is a point at which everything becomes simple and there is no longer any question of choice, because all you have staked will be lost if you look back. Life's point of no return."
- Dag Hammarskjold

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2014, 07:45:52 AM »
its circular
a spirit witnessing a being steps
and a beings steps being witnessed
i mean
better things
a witnessing being witnessing spirit within its steps
yearn to reunite
yearning
finds a way
hot cold
warm
the scenery changes
i will always believe in love
if the train they want to get on and convince me otherwise
says we have the facts it attachment!
i will have to disagree
i found tolles fallen apple within the garden
and broke
and looked up
from that bench
i am going back there now
because again i am broken
and i believe in love
and always
'Will'
for love
even in pain
lashing out
good stuff here
circular 

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2014, 09:27:27 AM »

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2014, 09:49:16 AM »
yes i saw them when i was younger and angstyer
and played drums modeled on their bashing often
thanks for the trip down memory lane .

now adding to circular image forementioned

i got an image of a funnelly thing
with its central axis
and a timline running through the centre

in meta-phor at least

as time passed through
out years
funneling through an axis pivotally
strands added portals dimensions
as woven strands

at ages even extremely young
damage created ricocheting images hurling towards a recipient
within a jacket of propulsive
strand like fibre

dna perhaps
or added flavours as imagined to exist
within that space
universally situated
in energetic referential subspace locally


and otherwise echoed throughout infinity
personally bound
attaching pillar
through finite timeline

equally adjoining infinite proportions
and perspectives
individually

the common thread in my "thinking"
connecting adjoining extra dimensional universe
being "love"
or all is one

i remember phil saying something about
the great explorers
and the crowd going crazy at that
and it going straight over my head

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2014, 11:41:00 AM »

Quote
and the crowd going crazy at that
and it going straight over my head

over your head and out ?

-I don't follow completely -

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2014, 12:39:26 PM »

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #84 on: February 22, 2014, 09:08:57 AM »
its true communication
is a two way street,

when it comes to words
and listening,

i did not understand either,
awareness though,
attention,

what can hold our attention ,
a counter point ?
seeing our folly? ,

floundering? ,

humility 

sustained awareness ,
movement?

so much just gets done
when our recepticle
widens due to non localised ease of swelling

seems so hard to forget yet
continues to "baffle"

watching words form
structures

"love "

what a symbol
does resonant tone inhabit
structure ?

"paying " attention
i got it
giving

wow
tightening grip
loosened
some for "me"

ok
balanced out again

they have allocated places to determine
boundaries for which to reside
separate units of communication

i am lost in which to communicate

allocation of signs
gives rise to "signs"
within which incorporates and combines

searching unity of each separate toward hole

i keep hearing this image

and i wonder how it could be true ?
seeking understanding
a frightening prospect in that context



 "sorcerers speak of sorcery as a magical, mysterious bird which has paused in its flight for a moment in order to give man hope and purpose. Sorcerers live under the wing of that bird, which they call the bird of wisdom, the bird of freedom. They nourish it with their dedication and impeccability.
      The bird of freedom can do only two things, take sorcerers along, or leave them behind. Don't forget, even for an instant, that the bird of freedom has very little patience with indecision, and when it flies away, it never returns."

so i saw this


http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/eagle/EagleFlightLesson.html








 

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #85 on: February 22, 2014, 01:21:35 PM »
its true communication
is a two way street,

when it comes to words
and listening,

i did not understand either,
awareness though,
attention,

what can hold our attention ,
a counter point ?
seeing our folly? ,

floundering? ,

humility  

sustained awareness ,
movement?

so much just gets done
when our recepticle
widens due to non localised ease of swelling

seems so hard to forget yet
continues to "baffle"

watching words form
structures

"love "

what a symbol
does resonant tone inhabit
structure ?

"paying " attention
i got it
giving

wow
tightening grip
loosened
some for "me"

ok
balanced out again

they have allocated places to determine
boundaries for which to reside
separate units of communication

i am lost in which to communicate

allocation of signs
gives rise to "signs"
within which incorporates and combines

searching unity of each separate toward hole

i keep hearing this image

and i wonder how it could be true ?
seeking understanding
a frightening prospect in that context



 "sorcerers speak of sorcery as a magical, mysterious bird which has paused in its flight for a moment in order to give man hope and purpose. Sorcerers live under the wing of that bird, which they call the bird of wisdom, the bird of freedom. They nourish it with their dedication and impeccability.
      The bird of freedom can do only two things, take sorcerers along, or leave them behind. Don't forget, even for an instant, that the bird of freedom has very little patience with indecision, and when it flies away, it never returns."

so i saw this


http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/eagle/EagleFlightLesson.html








 


A good intent should bring this on/in ...to simplicity.

I like acting rather than talking...it's true.

My idea of posting this... now was "See something , ok, feel something, think something..."

I think truth is intimately connected with the Universe that surrounds us, which is mostly unknown and even unknowable. I am not don Juan with words.

To balance.

Some like whiskey some like coffee.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuasdiQT6k
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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #86 on: February 23, 2014, 05:53:37 AM »
Hello Nick
do you mean like perhaps now ?
like a story Don Juan
told
about
a man being
thrown
in a river
and then
doubly
catching
up to himself
on
the bank  ?

its another facet
approaching attention
from a different direction
memory

right now i am doubly working hard
to catch up to the work i have let slip
which has built up to
being doubly booked
within responsibilities
aquired and assumed
rome was'nt built in a day
but day one was
necessary in the process
as processes require
motivated sequences

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #87 on: February 23, 2014, 10:15:03 AM »
Yes .Posting this from the play station.

Sorry for the occupation.

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #88 on: February 24, 2014, 03:36:39 PM »
http://youtu.be/zLOiRHit9AE     

the wind on a whim
for this morning

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Re: Tolle’s “A New Earth”
« Reply #89 on: February 25, 2014, 06:02:29 AM »
I feel this thread has been filled with power, to each their own, grandly because of my broken post.

Your response was powerful in a sense, (perception?) as well and .. so it went.

A good thing. a result may be a complete perception like that 'all is love' you are submitting ?

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