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The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« on: July 18, 2011, 04:49:40 PM »
The ego is that little self created at birth that we carry. It is not, however, our true self. The true self is the impeccable self. It, without being told, knows the difference between right and wrong. It exists at a higher plane of consciousness and can only be accessed by being impeccable.

Buddhists do not believe in a self. However, they do believe in rebirth and that something carries over. Obviously. How else do the bodhisattvas come back, and the Dalai Lama? They come back, and they have some recollection of the past.

However this bit of self is not a permanent self. If there were a permanent self, then when we do return we would have excellent recall. However we do not. We get a fresh start and we can thank the eagle for that.

I like to call the eagle the recycling bin. We enter it, and we are laid out flat. All of the stuff that is us is wiped away clean. Some fabulous bodhisattvas have been able to retain some of their essence with a lot of practice doing lucid dreaming. The go into the bardos and make their choices, then choose to be human again. They pick a family and then voila, are born again.

However, not all people are lucky to be born again. If you have not developed something, if you have not evolved, you just die. it does not matter what you do or say, if you have been ignorant all your life, you will not be able to handle the eagle upon encountering it. It is too awesome and it will eat you alive. You will freak out, not have the strenght, and you will die.
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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 04:52:41 PM »
I have heard some people say the eagle is the self. First, there is not a self in the sense that you think. What you think of as yourself is your ego. And your ego is an illusion. It is not real. You cannot touch it or squeeze it. You can only imagine it with your mind. But your little mind isn't you. It is a program from parents, to friends, to loved ones, to kids and the like. They formed it, you created it, and you needed one to function. But there comes a point and time when the ego is very moot, and must be dealt with.

The eagle eats egos. That is what it eats. You experience only with the ego and then the eagle eats this. It is said it wants our experiences. This is what it feeds on. and it will get its way and eat all of the experiences of mankind.
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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 04:54:13 PM »
Being impeccable is the only way to get a pass from the eagle. We know this. There is a voice within. It knows the difference between right and wrong. It knows what you need to do. Do it. Just do it, and then you can fly past the eagle and be free.
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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 04:57:46 PM »
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"What you think of as yourself is your ego."

Your ego is writing this.
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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 04:59:27 PM »
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"You experience only with the ego..."

Untrue.
"Discipline is, indeed, the supreme joy of feeling reverent awe; of watching, with your mouth open, whatever is behind those secret doors."

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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 05:02:59 PM »
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"You experience only with the ego..."

Untrue.


Your retarded Kris. Without the ego youd be braindead.
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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 05:17:21 PM »
Your retarded Kris. Without the ego youd be braindead.

Ack, you are still calling yourself Kris and retarded. Well, I suppose you know yourself.

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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 05:50:08 PM »
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“One day I will be free of the ego.” Who is talking? The ego. To become free of the ego is not really a big job but a very small one. All you need to do is be aware of your thoughts and emotions – as they happen. This is not really a “doing,” but an alert “seeing.” In that sense, it is true that there is nothing you can do to become free of the ego. When that shift happens, which is the shift from thinking to awareness, intelligence far greater than the ego's cleverness begins to operate in your life. Emotions and even thoughts become depersonalized through awareness. Their impersonal nature is recognized. there is no longer a self in them. They are just human emotions, human thoughts. Your entire personal history, which is ultimately no more than a story, a bundle of thoughts and emotions, becomes of secondary importance and no longer occupies the forefront of your consciousness. It no longer forms the basis for your sense of identity. you are the light of Presence, the awareness that is prior to and deeper than any thoughts and emotions.

Space consciousness means that in addition to being conscious of things – which always comes down to sense perceptions, thoughts, and emotions – there is an undercurrent of awareness. Awareness implies that you are not only conscious of things (objects), but you are also conscious of being conscious. If you can sense an alert inner stillness in the background while things happen in the foreground – that's it!

Awakening is a shift in consciousness in which thinking and awareness separate. For most people it is not an event but a process they undergo. Even those rare beings that experience a sudden, dramatic and seemingly irreversible wakening will still go through a process in which the new state of consciousness gradually flows into and transforms everything they do and so becomes integrated into their lives.  Instead of being lost in your thinking, when you are awake you recognize yourself as the awareness behind it. Thinking then ceases to be a self-serving autonomous activity that takes possession of you and runs your life. Awareness takes over from thinking. Instead of being in charge or your life, thinking becomes the servant of awareness. Awareness is conscious connection with universal intelligence. Another word for it is Presence:  consciousness without thought.

What is the relationship between awareness and thinking? Awareness is the space in which thoughts exist when that space has become conscious of itself.

Once you have had a glimpse of awareness or Presence, you know it first hand. It is no longer just a concept in your mind. You can then make a conscious choice to be present rather than to indulge in useless thinking. You can invite Presence into your life, that is to say, make space. With the grace of awakening comes responsibility. You can either try to go on as if nothing has happened, or you can see its significance and recognize the arising of awareness as the most important thing that can happen to you. Opening yourself to the emerging consciousness and bringing this light into this world then becomes the primary purpose of your life.

“I want to know the mind of God,” Einstein said. “The rest are details.” What is the mind of God? Consciousness. What does it mean to know the mind of God? To be aware. What are the details? Your outer purpose, and whatever happens outwardly.  So while you are perhaps still waiting for something significant to happen in your life, you may not realize that the most significant thing that can happen to a human being has already happened within you: the beginning of the separation process of thinking and awareness.

What is spiritual realization? The belief that you are spirit? No, that's a thought. A little closer to the truth than the thought that believes you are who your birth certificate says you are, but still a thought. Spiritual realization is to see clearly that what I perceive, experience, think, or feel is ultimately not who I am, that I cannot find myself in all those things that continuously pass away. The Buddha was probably the first human being to see this clearly, and so anata (no self) became one of the central points of his teaching. And when Jesus said, “Deny thyself,” what he meant was : Negate (and thus undo) the illusion of self. If the self – ego – were truly who I am, it would be absurd to “deny” it.

When the eye finds nothing to see, that nothingness is perceived as space. When the ear finds nothing to hear, that nothingness is perceived as stillness. When the senses, which are designed to perceive form, meet an absence of form, the formless consciousness that lies behind perception and makes all perception, all experience, possible, is not longer obscured by form. When you contemplate the unfathomable depth of space or listen to the silence in the early hours just before sunrise, something within you resonates with it as if in recognition. You then sense the vast depth of space as your own depth, and you know that precious stillness that has no form to be more deeply who you are than any of the things that make up the content o your life.

The Upanishads, the ancient scriptures of India, point to the same truth with these words:  What cannot be seen with the eye, but that whereby the eye can see: know that alone to be Brahman the Spirit and not what people here adore. What cannot be heard with the ear but that whereby the ear can hear: know that alone to be Brahman the Spirit and not what people here adore .... What cannot be thought with the mind but that whereby the mind can think: know that alone to be Brahman the Spirit and not what people here adore.  God, the scripture is saying, is formless consciousness and the essence of who you are. Everything else is form, is “what people here adore.”

So who is the experiencer? You are. And who are you?  Consciousness. And what is consciousness? This question cannot be answered. The moment you answer it, you have falsified it, made it into another object. Consciousness, the traditional word for which is spirit, cannot be known in the normal sense of the word, and seeing it is futile. All knowing is within the realm of duality – subject and object, the knower and the known. The subject, the I, the knower without which nothing could be known, perceived, thought, or felt, must remain forever unknowable. This is because the I has no form. Only forms can be known, and yet without the formless dimension, the world of form could not be. It is the luminous space in which the world arises and subsides. That space is the life that I Am. It is timeless. I Am timeless, eternal. What happens in that space is relative and temporary: pleasure and pain, gain and loss, birth and death.

Although you cannot know consciousness, you can become conscious of it as yourself. You can sense it directly in any situation, no matter where you are. You can sense it here and now as your very Presence, the inner space in which the words on this page are perceived and become thoughts. It is the underlying I Am. The word you are reading and thinking are the foreground, and the I Am is the substratum, the underlying background to every experience, thought, and feeling.

The essence of who you are is consciousness. When consciousness (you) becomes completely identified with thinking and thus forgets its essential nature, it loses itself in thought. When it becomes identified with mental/emotional formations such as wanting and fearing – the primary motivating forces of the ego – it loses itself in those formations.

Consciousness also loses itself when it identifies with acting and reacting to what  happens. Every thought, every desire or fear, every action or reaction, is then infused with a false sense of self that is incapable of sensing the simple joy of Being and so seeks pleasure, and sometimes even pain, as substitutes for it. This is living in forgetfulness of Being. In that state of forgetfulness of who you are, every success is no more than a passing delusion. Whatever you achieve, soon you will be unhappy again, or some new problem or dilemma will draw your attention in completely.

Consciousness is already conscious. It is the un-manifested, the eternal.  The universe, however, is only gradually becoming conscious. Consciousness itself is timeless and therefore does not evolve. It was never born and does not die. When consciousness becomes the manifested universe, it appears to be subject to time and to undergo an evolutionary process. No human mind is capable of comprehending fully the reason for this process. But we can glimpse it within ourselves and become a conscious participant in it. 

Consciousness is the intelligence, the organizing principle behind the arising of form. Consciousness has been preparing forms for millions of years so that it can express itself through them in the manifested.  Although the un-manifested realm of pure consciousness could be considered another dimension, it is not separate from this dimension of form.  Form and formlessness interpenetrate. the un-manifested flows into this dimension as awareness, inner space, presence. How does it do that?  Through the human form that becomes conscious and thus fulfills its destiny.  The human form was created for this higher purpose, and millions of other forms prepared the ground for it.

Consciousness incarnates into the manifested dimension, that is to say, it becomes form. When it does so, it enters a dreamlike state. Intelligence dreams, but consciousness becomes unconscious of itself. It loses itself in form, becomes identified with form. This could be describe as the descent of the divine into matter. At that stage in the evolution of the universe, the entire outgoing movement takes place in that dreamlike state. Glimpses of awakening come only at the moment of the dissolution of an individual form, that is to say, death. And then begins the next incarnation, the next identification with form, and the next individual dream that is part of the collective dream. When the lion tears apart the body of the zebra, the consciousness that incarnated into the zebra-form detaches itself from the dissolving form and for a brief moment awakens to its essential immortal nature as consciousness; and then immediately falls back into sleep and reincarnates into another form. When the lion becomes old and cannot hunt anymore, as it draws its last breath, there is again the briefest of glimpses of an awakening, followed by another dream of form.

On our planet, the human ego represents the final stage of universal sleep, the  identification of consciousness with form. It was a necessary stage in the evolution of consciousness.

The human brain is a highly differentiated form through which consciousness enters this dimension. It contains approximately one hundred billion nerve cells (called neurons), about the same number as there are stars in our galaxy, which could be seen as a macrocosmic brain. The brain does not create consciousness, but consciousness created the brain, the most complex physical form on earth, for its expression. When the brain gets damaged, it does not mean you lose consciousness. It means consciousness can no longer use that form to enter this dimension. You cannot lose consciousness because it is, in essence, who you are. You can only lose something that you have, but you cannot lose something that you are.
"Discipline is, indeed, the supreme joy of feeling reverent awe; of watching, with your mouth open, whatever is behind those secret doors."

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Re: The eagle, the ego and how the two are not related.
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 06:00:57 PM »
"You can only lose something that you have, but you cannot lose something that you are."

Bingo.   8)