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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2013, 05:29:18 AM »




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Re: *Egypt
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #92 on: April 02, 2013, 08:53:30 AM »
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« Reply #93 on: April 02, 2013, 09:08:34 AM »
The Holy Hand Grenade


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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #94 on: April 02, 2013, 09:46:52 AM »

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #95 on: April 02, 2013, 03:21:47 PM »

Don Juan said to Carlos that seeking freedom is the only driving force he know - knew .

I 've found myself today in the same 'position'

The idea of freedom.There is nothing else. Even though I proceed with -as the quote from Catsaneda book continued- ... being like a flame of a candle or a candle myself - humbleness taking a wild lead in my ...life, and most of the times the fog of the battle is so thick, the idea , dream and wish for freedom ...remains.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #96 on: April 02, 2013, 06:48:24 PM »
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Michael Said:

Nemo, to reach the other side of the Uncanny Valley of Spirit, you have to be a RACER!
Set caution to the wind and run like fire.

I guess this was directed at me, and I hesitated answering it because my reply to it could be deemed aggressive, but it is not meant to be. As Nickosv said he wishes freedom, and in my view freedom is not around the corner somewhere, or in some deep recess of dreaming. It is up close and personal, so in answer to you statement Michael, I do not have to be anything.
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #97 on: April 02, 2013, 10:38:52 PM »
Please, be as aggressive as you like nemo - it's good for the soul.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #98 on: April 03, 2013, 03:29:58 AM »
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To the private me making room for the "double"
I see it "now"
as two fly close to the sun
When one is listening and learns to fly this way
Another may reach across from height
as two fly so closely
Can one distinguish whos me
Is using completion
As one drifts apart always remembering
Do two ever become two or one one


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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2013, 02:02:59 AM »
My intent was to offer my view as best I could, and I believe that has been accomplished. I have established that we all carry a relevant view as we move through our personal furrows of time. Also described is how personal the assemblage point position of the earth is to each individual, and tied that into how our doubles are involved, all within the backdrop of infinity, and that infinity materially exists in static frames of time, and the role of intent within that complete view.

Well, it hasn't been accomplished in my mind. I accept all that stuff about the furrows and reflections, which is basic understandings of our condition.
What I continue to have difficulty with is moving of the earth's AP.

Also described is how personal the assemblage point position of the earth is to each individual

I don't get this: why would the AP of the earth, assuming the earth even has an AP, be personal to each individual? I can understand that the AP of an individual is one infinitesimal AP in the collection of all living beings' APs, the totality of which belongs to the earth, along with much else - as living beings on this planet constitute only an infinitesimal portion of the totality of the planet. I also accept that the very concept of a planet belongs to our AP, any yet there is an energetic existence there regardless of how we perceive it through our APs.

I can only assume you mean that my AP is also an AP within the earth - it has to be there in the earth for me to have it. Is that your view? But that doesn't mean it is the AP of the earth. Every living thing has an AP by very dint of the binding force of life, but the AP of a tiny hair on the ankle of my left leg is not my AP. In fact, its AP no doubt is an infinitesimal component of my AP, but frankly, it's so small and insignificant as to be virtually non existent.

Similarly, the earth is so vast, it's knowledge of my AP and any shift in my AP would be irrelevant to the AP of the earth. This reminds me of that old joke about the elephant of the flea.

One day a flea living at the rear end of an elephant was so filled with self-importance and cockiness, that he decided to copulate with the elephant. As he got stuck into his task, by chance a bolder fell off a cliff and onto the head of the elephant. The elephant let out a little groan, whereupon the flea called out, "Suffer baby, Suffer!"

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #100 on: April 04, 2013, 02:17:10 AM »
Basically there is an assemblage point of earth unique to every one being choosing to be in this particular cluster of emanations.

As I thought. This is your point. For me to have an AP, that AP has to exist within the earth - thus you say it is an AP of the earth personal to me.
So by moving my AP, I am also moving the AP of the earth, or rather my specific personal earth AP.

This is drawing a very long bow nemo.
Let's for argument sake say the Earth has a trillion trillion APs, of all the beings-with-AP that exist within the earth. My little one is one of those. If I move my little AP by a fraction, I am in effect creating a shift in the collective. But not if the collective is already fluid, and not if I am only moving my AP within the elasticity of the collective AP.

I don't think you can say my AP is also an AP of the earth.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #101 on: April 04, 2013, 07:10:25 AM »
How many earths are there in your view Michael?

The flea and the elephant are a perfect example, of mass. The flea is insignificant  as you say and has next to no momentum, once he decides to move, he can easily stop and change direction. The elephant comparatively needs to move more mass and once her momentum is up and running she requires more time to change direction.

Now say the flea has hooked into the intent available to him via his double, he then has more power available to his will and can influence the direction of the elephant, this flea instead of fornicating sees that he is able to steer the direction the elephant takes.  As the flea moves around on the elephant, he sees his effect on the direction of the elephant, through the intent available via his expanded available will, to effect things.
 

Frames of Time

With each frame of time moved through, there is a view of that frame specific to the the perceiver of that moment in time, if his view is first attention the focus and therefore alignment is on the toes, the resulting energetic makeup of the next frame is inclined to be  only consciously what is right before his nose. If the awareness has an expanded view then the alignment and effect is expanded, what is immediate and what is not shows up at different intervals of time and this is recognizable.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 09:44:34 AM by nemo »
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #102 on: April 04, 2013, 04:24:16 PM »
Now say the flea has hooked into the intent available to him via his double, he then has more power available to his will and can influence the direction of the elephant

I gather much of what you intend is built upon this point, so best I try to be clear what you are saying.

It appears to hinge on two arguments:
1. That there is an essential, inherent link point, via the AP between an individual and the earth.
2. That an active double has the power to influence the much larger being, the earth, through this link.

I don't feel you have established, at least the logic of, these arguments.

1. Although I accept there is an inherent link between the earth and the individual, I wouldn't put that as the AP. That may not matter, so long as that inherent link exists. We could discuss the mechanism without it affecting your second point.

2. You will need to explain your logic on this more. That an individual, even with it's double's assistance, has sufficient power to influence something of the unfathomable enormity of the earth, is just fantasy in my view - you would need to give some examples to build your case.

I don't think you can use the argument that an individual is only influencing an 'earth' that exists with its own AP. Obviously my 'personal' earth, which is part of my own AP, can be influenced by me - I may even be able, were I sufficiently adept, to steer a path through possibilities existing within the earth's aura. But if humanity found the next level of powerful weapon that could, and did, disintegrate the earth itself, every sorcerer travelling through the aura of the earth would have their existence destroyed. Beyond my 'known' or even the margins of my 'unknown', there is an unknowable entity within which I exist, which I label 'earth'.

Just because DJ could replay the leaf falling for CC, doesn't say anything about the earth itself - it only speaks of the ability to retrieve a 'frame' as you say. But no sane person would want to live for eternity within the storage of their own frames, as a refuge.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #103 on: April 04, 2013, 06:42:40 PM »
My view is based on infinity, and infinity has no limits, which i suppose can be argued against, but it is functional to my point of view. This statement by Florinda from the eagles gift has infinity at its core, and if you see that it relates to the other self.  

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Florinda explained that when she or her peers talked about time, they were not referring to something which is measured by the movement of a clock. Time is the essence of attention. The Eagle's emanations are made out of time, and properly, when one enters into any aspect of the other self, one is becoming acquainted with time.

She said that the wheel of time is like a state of heightened awareness which is part of the other self- just as the left side awareness is part of the self of everyday life. Florinda said that that state could physically be described as a tunnel of infinite length and width; a tunnel with reflective furrows.

Every furrow is infinite, and there are infinite numbers of them. Living creatures are compulsorily made, by the force of life, to gaze into one furrow. To gaze into it means to be trapped by it; to live that furrow.

Florinda asserted that what warriors call will belongs to the wheel of time. It is something like the runner of a vine, or an intangible tentacle which all of us possess. She said that a warrior's final aim is to learn to focus it on the wheel of time in order to make it turn.

(nemo) Infinite frames of time, will and intent, are aspects of my view. Now you have slipped in things like fantasy and no sane person and so on which are judgments and positioning from a point of view that you have and maintain, which is also an assemblage point position you are taking.

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It appears to hinge on two arguments:

1. That there is an essential, inherent link point, via the AP between an individual and the earth.

(nemo) Each individual frame of time only has one energetic center to it's particular moment, and that includes the earth. If I bring us back to the shed example, the earth and the shed are the same thing, just because we categorize what we see into objects, there is no inherent difference between the shed and the earth. When we talk assemblage point, in my view we are the assemblage point, and the AP of the individual can expand to infinity, which includes more than just the earth.

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2. That an active double has the power to influence the much larger being, the earth, through this link.

I have stated before that the double is connected to everything and everyone in a more direct way, and this is where the element of will comes into play. When you Michael acknowledge that there are controllers, on this earth I must admit there are, but I also know they have an energetic counterpart/double and through that mechanism for lack of a better term I can wield some influence on their strangle hold they have on the earth I walk on. I will a movement in the wheel of time to timelines where they have less and less say.

I know this for a fact in my own experience, because I have come from a timeline that was much hasher than the one I am on now. Though that is a point that is hard to prove.

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I don't think you can use the argument that an individual is only influencing an 'earth' that exists with its own AP. Obviously my 'personal' earth, which is part of my own AP, can be influenced by me - I may even be able, were I sufficiently adept, to steer a path through possibilities existing within the earth's aura. But if humanity found the next level of powerful weapon that could, and did, disintegrate the earth itself, every sorcerer travelling through the aura of the earth would have their existence destroyed. Beyond my 'known' or even the margins of my 'unknown', there is an unknowable entity within which I exist, which I label 'earth'.

Like I said there is an infinity out there, and I am sure that there are timelines that the earth was is and always has been blown up. That is just a few of an infinity of possibilities available.  Anyway this last statement by you is more in line with you stating your view again, which again I must say is relevant, more to you than to me.

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Just because DJ could replay the leaf falling for CC, doesn't say anything about the earth itself - it only speaks of the ability to retrieve a 'frame' as you say. But no sane person would want to live for eternity within the storage of their own frames, as a refuge.

The leaf example was to show that frames of time existed out of linear time, and could be utilized. You are now are using frames of time as a reference, and that reference is from language that I use, and shows the importance of seeing everything as static moments in time that can be accessed.

What I am an advocate for is that beings become aware of the totality of the self and that is synonymous with being complete, being complete avails a singularity of fluid potentials and conscious choices.

« Last Edit: April 04, 2013, 07:23:33 PM by nemo »
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #104 on: April 05, 2013, 04:52:04 AM »
Hey...

I can see nemo's view (nemo, your view) clearly, and I like it.

Maybe it contains not the exact idea of the assemblage point / what the assemblage point really is but rather what is the effect of assembling. It doesn't have to be bound totally with reason.

Steering the wheel of time is interesting. - ! .-