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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #270 on: December 27, 2016, 05:02:22 PM »

What I have been offering is how to effect affect the emanations around you. In a different more expanded way than the first attention. As this pertains to the physical reality it does fall outside what is typically understood as the second attentions luminous out and away from the physical world movement to freedom.

This version I am giving of interacting with the emanations at large here in the physical maybe should be called a version of the third attention or even something all together different like the forth attention. Mostly because everyone already has their version of what the third attention is, and calling it something else saves having to change ones view of what the third attention is to them.

Having come from a second attention approach myself I feel that what I have been talking about is easier to understand, if you have come from that understanding first, as varied as that approach is if you have been attempting to  move  to the intent of the dreaming, energy body, astral body, or whatever particular version you have come up with that's your unique way.  The intent is to move away from the field of expression of the first attention. This is the second attention approach, as I define the second attention. Which is a luminous not physically based approach.

Michael recently posted about war and though he is attempting to access freedom through entering the void, he still has a concern for the soul of man and the war going on for the soul of man on the version of earth he is on while he tries in his way to escape these very emanations he is concerned about, through what I would call a second attention luminous solution to being in the grasp of the first attention cluster of emanations first attention calls the world, earth.

It is exactly this chasm between what he is attempting to do as a luminous being and his concern for the soul of man that can be overcome by not leaving this earth through the luminous solution. Typically if we have had ascended masters they have done exactly that ascended, they have left this field of illusion and moved away from it. Where have they gone? To freedom? To hyper dimensional space? Dome of the naguals? Out of linear time? Take your pick, it's  a crap shoot, because they don't generally have the freedom to come back here and tell us. That includes Don Juan Matus too. 

Why is the soul of man under siege? Because beings as a condition of being born here are required to forget who they are. Then, because the first attention is the dominant attention as a natural consequence of being born into clustering fields of expressions of first attention intent, the base attention an emotional body can have, it is the most manipulable attention and is therefore very manipulated by other first attention beings but primarily second attention beings that know more about attentions but don't have the moral base to not manipulate first attention beings and steal their energy. What is stealing their energy entail?  Directing their choices through manipulating which alignments they would use reason to make. How are those alignments made? By making sure their attention is dominated by things like war or sports, and the need for energy in the form of money. 
 
So if Michael is concerned about the soul of man, why is he leaving the battlefield behind?
 
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This offers you a consistent and (for your mind) excellent excuse from engaging with my critique. But it goes further, it means you can't engage, full stop. All you can do is put your view. You block out any attempt to have a conversation: your view is in your words, no one else's words are relevant.

You think this thread has been about explication of your view. Any attempt by me to either agree or disagree is negated. You are happy, when I ask you to expand on a point, but as soon as I either elaborate or challenge, you claim my words are about something totally different. So in fact, this thread has been a long display of your personality. Nothing to do with your view at all. The point has been all along, that your are incapable of thinking collaboratively.

Whenever you ask a question, the purpose of asking is to demonstrate how the answer is incorrect, whatever that answer is. The reason, is that you must maintain your superiority at any cost. Not unusual. I wouldn't bother replying at all if it weren't for a certain quality of style you have.

Every time I respond to you, I know how you will react, and the quote above explains that. I recognised this from the first few posts of this thread. But there is something else going on here...
And he also said this:

Quote from: nemo on March 20, 2013, 09:21:19 AM
So would you like to hear what I have to offer?

There's no need to ask. Put your case.
If you put a view that I haven't considered I'm open to review of my own position.

Although I don't agree with your whole summary Michael , you seem to be putting the onus on me with this type of post to defend myself personally. While to me all along this long thread you have maintained a position you already held before i said anything. I knew what that was, as I know what that is now, as frustrating as that is for both of us. It's you that does not understand me, not the other way around.

Comprehending what makes macro reality and our own personal micro reality.

Michael, what you believe and what the actual truth is comes up against what I believe and what the actual truth is. There is the actual truth and then there ls the truth as we both see it. Your view of me and what my motivations are, exist in your version of “me” as you see me. What is the actual truth?

Think about that before you read on...........

Is there an actual truth?  Is the truth what you believe or is it what I believe. Is there an independent actual truth? What I have been saying / attempting to get across is that there is no actual truth independent of beliefs, and if you believe your truth over mine, then that will solidify you and your beliefs to the emanations at large, and that view will be dominant, you will with the power of your beliefs manifest a nemo where you are correct and the nemo you believe exists will actually manifest for you.

I'll say it again, the power of your beliefs will align you with a version of nemo that fit your beliefs.

So as per my description, I am aligning with a version of Michael that grasps the power of my beliefs.

There is no ego here, you are welcome to be a version of yourself that is correct in what you are saying. What you are not grasping as the version of Michael that fits your beliefs is that both versions of nemo and Michael exist. In my view there is no way around a Michael that continues to believe as the Michael does in the post above. He will eventually find himself moving down a path where he is correct in the things he says. (chuckle)

To me beliefs mould the emanations around you, and you will get the nemo you are expecting. Unless the spirit uses those same emanations to effect your beliefs. I can do nothing for you or anyone reading these words if the spirit is not working on you independently. To change your beliefs.   

This is were infinity and reality get interesting, in terms of my view.

To believe your truth over mine and to convince me that your view of what the truth is, is the correct/right/more true/ factual one, then to do that you would need to convince me, enough to change what I believe. This is not actually changing the actual truth, because there is none, what would need to change is my belief in what you have to say. Then as my beliefs change I would be more and more aligned with truth as you see  it. This is done all the time, whether a being knows the power of beliefs or not. If the spirit gets involved with confirmations of what is being said by you or anyone, then they would wield more power to me and I would be bound to listen. Spirit has not given any indications that I should listen to your version of truth Michael. You can say that spirit has not given you any indications that what I have said has come with confirmations also, and I am actually fine with that, if that's the case.

So to me it's difficult to argue that my truth/view is more correct, and or that another is wrong. All I can do is attempt to see the truth from another s perspective, and what the spirit has in hand as far as dealing with the emanations being presented . This is actually quite easy for example: my wife holds a first attention view/truth and i can “see” it daily and act accordingly.
 
I suppose for me it's been beneficial to establish a view/truth of the difference between third and second attention because for the longest time I was a second attention warrior. As that view evolved I started to get downloads of info on attentions. So when I offer it here it's been the first time I wrote it down, though it's been a functional operational view i have used for years, maybe about ten or so.

When I say something is written from a second attention view as I define it. It's a second attention view as I define it, so yes it's about me and my personality, and more than that it's a well defined view/truth that I use daily. I use it to drive with my vehicles through the emanations at large without a drivers license for ten years or so, I use it to move the assemblage point of the earth. Whether I can get that across to whomever reads my words is more up to their personal power than how well I explain it because ultimately it's about whomevers relationship with spirit. If the spirit isn't involved then I would get no confirmations and I would know that what I was involved in here was of no benefit to you or anyone that may come and read this thread.
 
Having said that I would like to say in my view/truth there are no emanations at large more real than any other, there are only energetic probes of awareness exploring those endless emanations. No matter what attention level that probe carries through a furrow of time they live through, those emanations require that particular attention level for them to be explored the way they are being explored, or they would not be that furrow of time. Put another way there are no emanations more or less real, there are only furrows of time being explored where the illusion is that something can be more real than another, again this is written from my view/truth. 

Also I would like to mention, in my view the black void is not the way to access infinity. There are no emanations that are not infinity, so reading this is just as much infinity as anything else. The black void though is a way to jump out of linear time and space, a portal so to speak to other emanations where you break your continuity in time, but you don't need to break your continuity to access infinity.

 The black void should be looked at in my view as emanations at large, they are not outside of those emanations. They are just emanations that are skimmed by awareness as a black void. You can use them to get to other interesting emanations, but one of the most interesting cluster of emanations are here the ones you are gravitated to as you read this, our world here is a full and wonderful place for awareness to be. The black void is actually boring in comparison, why? Because it's a void. :)
 
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The world is a labyrinth. You can examine it, dissect it, inspect its secret mechanisms, but in the end, there is only one thread of knowledge that is useful. You can divine ways to transit through the labyrinth, from penetrating its structure, but finally there are only two paths: those that find the way out, and those that wander forever within the labyrinth.

In terms again in my view, this is not an applicable view. Firstly there is no world only clusterings of  emanations, and those emanations are infinity. There is no way through/out of infinity, but to not feel lost as you move through those emanations is to behave in a manner that allows those emanations to interact with you through whatever ways you have developed, for me i get synchronous, confirmations, from spirit.

To explore those emanations as a first attention being though is no less valid a life. Though it's limitations are obvious to those that can see attentions. Even with it's limitations a first attention being could for instance have such a profound belief in the christian god that they could access emanations that support a miracle cure etc.

"seeing" attentions to the seer holding my view would “see” that no attention is more valid or real than another, awareness.   The first attention is source exploring the love for cats, or dogs, or conditional love for a mate etc. Hard to experience love for a cat from from a first attention view as a second or third attention. Why because each attention has a commenserate view of the emanations   “cat” and the energitic aspect of “love”

Collaboration:

Michael, I don't see how a collaboration between our two views could be done. What could we collaborate on?

Accessing the doubles intent maybe? For me the fact that you have not answered how many earths in your view there are remains a deal breaker to collaboration. It is the base first step and fundamental attribute of my views way of accessing the emanations at large. Not answering that question and coming to me with your seeing, experiences, logic, reason, view of me, whatever becomes invalid in my view. They are by my definition limited in the scope needed, to use the great expanse of emanations in the way that I do. 

Energetic Blow-back from Feelings of Superiority or inferiority: I wrote about this in detail in a closed forum, I will get permission to cut and paste it.

In short I look for confirmations from spirit in all that I do. I may stray from time to time but I do right the ship if I feel or get an energetic hit from spirit that my energy is being aggressive, though I did get a fortune cookie last wednesday that said “don't agree just to keep the peace” .

Finally I wrote quite a long reply to your post about the grapes and climate change, Chickens with mites, and I was unable to write it or rewrite it in a suitable fashion to say what i wanted to say in a way that was not just me dumping on what you said.

In short  your examples in that post are to my definitions based on first attention not second attention, so your premise is lost by our differing definitions of what attributes each attention has. They to me are musings about the flow of things, and the limitations natural to the doings of the first attention, nothing more.

Example: The flow of things was obviously moving towards new age use of olive oil where cost was not an issue,(the new age energetic thrust is to overcome the reason/actions created be economics)  economics is a first attention trap for logic and reason to dominate what emanations are accessed. To me you were looking for a cheaper remedy than what was being offered, which is simple first attention economics as per my example. I personally would use tone/sound vibrations made by my vocal chords with intent directed at the chickens to move to adjacent emanations in the expanse where the mites don't exist.

Like I said our views differ and that changes how we view the emanations at large. How we use intent to move through them, and how we explain what we are doing. I don't agree with accessing infinity through the void, exclusively.  Having mapped out a way to something different more expanded in that there is no need to leave loved ones behind. Maybe calling it a third attention view causes some confusion because in CC's books the line is obscure also. So it can be called the forth attention view the view that's used to move the assemblage point of earth, but there is no assemblage point of earth for anyone that does not grasp that there are an infinity of earths one can move to.

Don Juan:

"Everything we do, everything we are, rests on our personal power. If we have enough of it, one word uttered to us might be sufficient to change the course of our lives. But if we don't have enough personal power, the most magnificent piece of wisdom can be revealed to us and that revelation won't make a damn bit of difference." 
 
He then lowered his voice as if he were disclosing a confidential matter to me. 

"I'm going to utter perhaps the greatest piece of knowledge anyone can voice," he said. "Let me see what you can do with it.  "Do you know that at this very moment you are surrounded by eternity? And do you know that you can use that eternity, if you so desire?" 

After a long pause, during which he urged me with a subtle movement of his eyes to make a statement, I said that I did not understand what he was talking about. 

"There! Eternity is there!" he said, pointing to the horizon. 

Then he pointed to the zenith. "Or there, or perhaps we can say that eternity is like this." He extended both arms to point to the east and west. 

We looked at each other. His eyes held a question. 

"What do you say to that?" he asked, coaxing me to ponder upon his words.
 
I did not know what to say.  "Do you know that you can extend yourself forever in any of the directions I have pointed to?" he went on. "Do you know that one moment can be eternity? This is not a riddle; it's a fact, but only if you mount that moment and use it to take the totality of yourself forever in any direction." 

(nemo), We are bursts of energy, probes from source  that explore reflective furrows. Some of those probes have a prediliction to explore functional ways to maintain their awarness past death. One such way is to become an inorganic being, which is the luminous solution, which I clasify as the path mapped out by the second attention.  Another way which I call the view held by the third attention, but I am not adverse to it being called a version of the third attention or the forth attention. Uses will to engage emanations at large to move  down furrows of time that have no end. They are able to keep their physical and energy body using the  power of will, intent and knowledge.

To hammer that point home.  An irreducible truth in my view would be that any observer effects  the emanations at large in their bubble of perception to the extent they are able to grasp their totality. No emanations are more real as an attention develops just the understanding of what is being observed.

The physical structure of this worlds emanations at large, viewed as a clustering of emantions. This is very complex, but  I can make some general points that don't explain how it is in all it's emensity, just hints at it. The first attention dreams a solid linear in time furrow of emanations. At night  during  sleep, the earth dreams it's  beings  out of linear sequence, but also these emanations are less solid and the physics of the first attention beliefs don't hold to the doing/intent of the dreamer. Both though should be viewed (if you are going to utilize my veiw) as  the earths emanations, we dream into reality the linear version of clusterings called earth, and we dream the none sequential aspects of earths clusterings of emanations in it's dream version  out of linear time.

 You can use intent through beliefs to access emanations at large that are the gap between the dreamer and the  dreamed of this earths emanations not normally accessed by the dreamer or the dreamed. They exist as emnations at large not being lite up by awarness that has not developed the personal power to access them. Those are the emanations Genaro was accessing when he hugged/and swam in the emanations of earth. It's best imagined visually as timelines of earth that connect earths solid dream with the etheral dream of earth, a space where mixing of the two are a possibility.

 This is best done incrementally in my view.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #271 on: December 28, 2016, 02:40:56 AM »

All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #272 on: December 28, 2016, 10:47:38 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if Michael is writing some more mahabharata ,
He is wise enough to do these things

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #273 on: December 28, 2016, 10:48:57 AM »
Thank you nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #274 on: December 29, 2016, 12:07:54 AM »
That's a good read at last nemo - will savour it over a few weeks.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #275 on: December 29, 2016, 05:53:06 AM »
I will say something which comes from different directions
The dreamer the dreamed
The third attention
The dreamer is hooked to the dreamed
Those are hooked to the infinite
When those three come in alignment
Through recognition of mutual being
The transference and transdimensional become
More than possibility
The language of hearing occurs for the first attention being through perception
Awareness of the mind and senses
However
Awareness through art story or metaphor also
Perception of senses occurs as perception of awareness does
A dream transference also exists upon the face of the earth as a story
A story we are born into
The luminousity inside beings seeks a different language
Its business is spirit
Which becomes aware through interconnectedness
Which is awareness of more or totality
Finding totality upon expansion of luminosity
Extending beyond the physical and density
Also shows that you are all this
Infinity

The story of perception for me is like the seven fold spirit of man

The story of perception is played out upon the earth

The creation of story for spirit at the point appears to be contained within infinity

However

The story has also been placed within the earth

From outside of linear time

Placements by beings

You could also liken a simple story to whether or not
We are trapped and a simple answer no upon its opposite and viewing infinite outside of linear time
To answer

Yet

The collective spirit story exists
Traveling towards greater freedom
First from obstruction and toward love

Love being the two unified parts also dreamer and dreamed
Or first or second attention

Second attention also influenced the emanations at large

Through first running off before reconciling freedoms
Meaning of love

As having witnessed creation infinite
And not having been satisfied
Turning away from
Mutual creation
Towards covetnous
Of that other

Collectively now travelling back towards the union
Means yes the being And living  of that union and co creation
And also acting within righting the imbalance
Toward reconstituting those emanations at large .

For me

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #276 on: December 29, 2016, 06:33:45 AM »
To the question
Are there infinite earths

And infinite mind rooms

Yes and no

If you turn on the television news and I do
Across the other side of the world
We may both report the same thing independently

The awareness of first attention may also transfer across to dream state through work here

And vice versa

A further alignment may be accessed within the earth
Even connected to sky

A story placed within the earth dreamspace

Compelling gravity to be fixed

To awaken the collective or spiritual family
Is to collectively awaken to a new or more aware state of dream being

To address the earth dream utilising the elements necessary to witness the horizons freedom requires
Balance

And exertion

As for the question of is exertion individually awakened towards the infinite ?
Or vice versa ,
I'm feeling what came first the chicken or the egg ,
I like to imagine from this point I utilise the infinite and I do , I meet myself on the path ahead all the time ,
Yet as spirit I am all this I am.

My observations

I know they're beliefs and I know my evidence supports then as they support me.

Progress therefore is what is supported , and what is supported is what is functionally aligned.
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Re: *Egypt: the ring of not-doing
« Reply #277 on: December 29, 2016, 02:05:02 PM »
 


That's a good read at last nemo - will savour it over a few weeks.

This is a good sample in CC's books with an explanation about rings of power. Don Juan had just appeared to apprentices of another shaman and CC as with different costumes on. From the book Journey to Ixtlan.

The place was empty; we sat at a table by a window looking out at the busy main street and ordered
our food. Don Juan seemed relaxed; his eyes shone with a mischievous glint. I felt encouraged and
began a barrage of questions. I mainly wanted to know about his disguise.
"I showed you a little bit of my not-doing" he said and his eyes seemed to glow.
"But none of us saw the same disguise, " I said. "How did you do that?"
"It's all very simple, " he replied. "They were only disguises, because everything we do is in some
way merely a disguise. Everything we do, as I have told you, is a matter of doing. A man of 
knowledge could hook himself to everyone's doing and come up with weird things. But they are not
weird, not really. They are weird only to those who are trapped in doing.
"Those four young men and yourself are not aware yet of not-doing, so it was easy to fool all of
you."
"But how did you fool us?"
"It won't make sense to you. There is no way for you to understand it."
"Try me, don Juan, please."
"Let's say that when every one of us is born we bring with us a little ring of power. That little ring
is almost immediately put to use. So every one of us is already hooked from birth and our rings of power are joined to everyone else's. In other words, our rings of power are hooked to the doing of
the world in order to make the world."
"Give me an example so I could understand it, " I said.
"For instance, our rings of power, yours and mine, are hooked right now to the doing in this room.
We are making this room. Our rings of power are spinning this room into being at this very
moment."
"Wait, wait, " I said. "This room is here by itself. I am not creating it. I have nothing to do with it."
Don Juan did not seem to be concerned with my argumentative protests. He very calmly maintained
that the room we were in was brought to being and was kept in place because of the force of
everybody's ring of power.
"You see, " he continued, "every one of us knows the doing of rooms because, in one way or
another, we have spent much of our lives in rooms. A man of knowledge, on the other hand, 
develops another ring of power. I would call it the ring of not-doing, because it is hooked to not-
doing. With that ring, therefore, he can spin another world."
A young waitress brought our food and seemed to be suspicious of us. Don Juan whispered that I
should pay her to show her that I had enough money.
"I don't blame her for distrusting you, " he said and roared with laughter. "You look like hell."
I paid the woman and tipped her, and when she left us alone I stared at don Juan, trying to find a
way to recapture the thread of our conversation. He came to my rescue. "Your difficulty is that you
haven't yet developed your extra ring of power and your body doesn't know not-doing." he said.
I did not understand what he had said. My mind was locked in quite a prosaic concern. All I wanted
to know was whether or not he had put on a pirate's outfit.
Don Juan did not answer but laughed uproariously. I begged him to explain.
"But I've just explained it to you, " he retorted.
"You mean, that you didn't put on any disguise?" I asked.
"All I did was to hook my ring of power to your own doing, " he said. "You yourself did the rest
and so did the others."
"That's incredible!" I exclaimed.
"We all have been taught to agree about doing, " he said softly. "You don't have any idea of the
power that that agreement brings with it. But, fortunately, not-doing is equally miraculous, and
powerful."
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Re: *Egypt: permeations throughout nothing with intent
« Reply #278 on: December 30, 2016, 08:19:13 PM »
(nemo) I post these excerpts from CC's books and this sermon from The reverend Lawrence M. Krauss to show the importance of intent. The known unknown and the unknowable are in play here, as he talks, he never strays into the field of action of what attention can do to emanations at large, or does not talk in terms of awareness or attention at all, but he has drawn for us the boundaries of the band of man as a scientist.


Lawrence M. Krauss (2014) "Universe from NOTHING!"

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From the book magical passes

I asked don Juan on another occasion something that had been bothering me for a long time. He had
stated that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico discovered the magical passes, which were some sort of hidden
treasure, placed in storage for man to find. I wanted to know who would put something like that in storage
for man. The only idea that I could come up with was derived from Catholicism. I thought of God doing it,
or a guardian angel, or the Holy Spirit.

"It is not the Holy Spirit," he said, "which is only holy to you, because you're secretly a Catholic. And
certainly it is not God, a benevolent father as you understand God. Nor is it a goddess, a nurturing mother,
watching over the affairs of men, as many people believe to be the case. It is rather an impersonal force that
has endless things in storage for those who dare to seek them. It is a force in the universe, like light or
gravity.  It  is  an  agglutinating  factor,  a  vibratory  force  that  joins  the  conglomerate  of  energy  fields  that
human beings are into one concise, cohesive unit. This vibratory force is the factor that doesn't allow the
entrance or the exit of energy from the luminous ball.

The fire from within

He said that the Eagle’s emanations are an immutable thing initself, which engulfs everything that
exists, the knowable and the unknowable.

„There is no way to describe in words what the Eagle’s emanations really are,” don Juan continued.
 
„A seer must witness them.”

„Have you witnessed them yourself, don Juan?”

„Of course I have, and yet I can’t tell you what they are. They are a presence, almost a mass of
sorts, a pressure that creates a dazzling sensation. One can catch only a glimpse of them, as one can
catch only a glimpse of the Eagle itself.”

„Would you say, don Juan, that the Eagle is the source of the emanations?”

„It goes without saying that the Eagle is the source of its emanations.”

„I meant to ask if that is so visually.”

„There is nothing visual about the Eagle. The entire body of a seer senses the Eagle. There is
something in all of us that can make us witness with our entire body. Seers explain the act of seeing
the Eagle in very simple terms: because man is composed of the Eagle’s emanations, man need
only revert back to his components. The problem arises with man’s awareness; it is his awareness
that becomes entangled and confused.  At the crucial moment when it should be a simple case of
the emanations acknowledging themselves, man’s awareness is compelled to interpret. The result is
a vision of the Eagle and the Eagle’s emanations. But there is no Eagle and no Eagle’s emanations.
What is out there is something that no living creature can grasp.”

From magical passes again

The  shamans  of  ancient  Mexico,  according  to  don  Juan,  described  intent  as  a  perennial  force  that
permeates the entire universe—a force that is aware of itself to the point of responding to the beckoning or
to the command of shamans. By means of intent, those shamans were capable of unleashing not only all the
human possibilities of perceiving, but all the human possibilities of action. Through intent, they realized the
most far-fetched formulations.

Don Juan taught me that the limit of man's capability of perceiving is called the band of man, meaning
that there is a boundary that marks human capabilities as dictated by the human organism. These boundaries
are not merely the traditional boundaries of orderly thought, but the boundaries of the totality of resources
locked within the human organism. Don Juan believed that these resources are never used, but are kept in
situ by preconceived ideas about human limitations, limitations that have nothing to do with actual human
potential.

Don  Juan  stated,  as  categorically  as  he  was  able  to,  that  since  perceiving  energy  as  it  flows  in  the
universe is not arbitrary or idiosyncratic, seers witness formulations of energy that happen by themselves
and are not molded by human interference. Thus, the perception of such formulations is, in itself and by
itself,  the  key  that  releases  the  locked-in  human  potential  that  ordinarily  has  never  entered  into  play.  In
order to elicit the perception of those energetic formulations, the totality of human capabilities to perceive
has to be engaged.

From the Power of Silence:

Juan had maintained in the past that my knowledge and control of intent were not adequate to
withstand the impact of that sight. He had explained that normal perception occurs when intent,
which is pure energy, lights up a portion of the luminous filaments inside our cocoon, and at the
same time brightens a long extension of the same luminous filaments extending into infinity outside
our cocoon. Extraordinary perception, seeing, occurs when by the force of intent, a different cluster
of energy fields energizes and lights up. He had said that when a crucial number of energy fields
are lit up inside the luminous cocoon, a sorcerer is able to see the energy fields themselves.
On another occasion don Juan had recounted the rational thinking of the early sorcerers. He told me
that, through their seeing, they realized that awareness took place when the energy fields inside our
luminous cocoon were aligned with the same energy fields outside. And they believed they had
discovered alignment as the source of awareness.

Upon close examination, however, it became evident that what they had called alignment of the
Eagle's emanations did not entirely explain what they were seeing. They had noticed that only a
very small portion of the total number of luminous filaments inside the cocoon was energized while
the rest remained unaltered. Seeing these few filaments energized had created a false discovery.
The filaments did not need to be aligned to be lit up, because the ones inside our cocoon were the
same as those outside. Whatever energized them was definitely an independent force. They felt
they could not continue to call it awareness, as they had, because awareness was the glow of the
energy fields being lit up. So the force that lit up the fields was named will.

Don Juan had said that when their seeing became still more sophisticated and effective, they
realized that will was the force that kept the Eagle's emanations separated and was not only
responsible for our awareness, but also for everything in the universe. They saw that this force had
total consciousness and that it sprang from the very fields of energy that made the universe. They
decided then that intent was a more appropriate name for it than will. In the long run, however, that
name proved disadvantageous, because it does not describe its overwhelming importance nor the
living connection it has with everything in the universe.

Don Juan had asserted that our great collective flaw is that we live our lives completely
disregarding that connection. The busyness of our lives, our relentless interests, concerns, hopes,
frustrations, and fears take precedence, and on a day-to-day basis we are unaware of being linked to
everything else.

Don Juan had stated his belief that the Christian idea of being cast out from the Garden of Eden
sounded to him like an allegory for losing our silent knowledge, our knowledge of intent. Sorcery,
then, was a going back to the beginning, a return to paradise.

In a calm voice don Juan told me that for the very first time in my life I had seen the spirit, the
force that sustains the universe. He emphasized that intent is not something one might use or
command or move in any way - nevertheless, one could use it, command it, or move it as one
desires. This contradiction, he said, is the essence of sorcery. To fail to understand it had brought
generations of sorcerers unimaginable pain and sorrow. Modern-day naguals, in an effort to avoid
paying this exorbitant price in pain, had developed a code of behavior called the warrior's way, or
the impeccable action, which prepared sorcerers by enhancing their sobriety and thoughtfulness.

Don Juan explained that at one time in the remote past, sorcerers were deeply interested in the
general connecting link that intent has with everything. And by focusing their second attention on
that link, they acquired not only direct knowledge but also the ability to manipulate that knowledge
 and perform astounding deeds. They did not acquire, however, the soundness of mind needed to
manage all that power.

So in a judicious mood, sorcerers decided to focus their second attention solely on the connecting
link of creatures who have awareness. This included the entire range of existing organic beings as
well as the entire range of what sorcerers call inorganic beings, or allies, which they described as
entities with awareness, but no life as we understand life. This solution was not successful either,
because it, too, failed to bring them wisdom.

In their next reduction, sorcerers focused their attention exclusively on the link that connects
human beings with intent. The end result was very much as before.

Then, sorcerers sought a final reduction. Each sorcerer would be concerned solely with his
individual connection. But this proved to be equally ineffective.

He asserted that all modern-day sorcerers have to struggle fiercely to gain soundness of mind. A
nagual has to struggle especially hard because he has more strength, a greater command over the
energy fields that determine perception, and more training in and familiarity with the intricacies of
silent knowledge, which is nothing but direct contact with intent.

Examined in this way, sorcery becomes an attempt to reestablish our knowledge of intent and
regain use of it without succumbing to it. And the abstract cores of the sorcery stories are shades of
realization, degrees of our being aware of intent.
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« Reply #279 on: December 31, 2016, 10:40:44 AM »
I'm not sure what your purpose is nemo, in posting all these extracts. If you wish to attract people who are unfamiliar with these books, then you have chosen the more obscure parts, which would be indecipherable to those who have not studied the earlier material.

If you are trying to inform me, I can assure you I began studying this material forty years ago, and have combed through it all in extreme detail many times during those years. Just to let you know, I have spent my adult life pursuing the intent of these revelations. But, I long ago realised, these impulses lead far beyond the ideas of Castaneda's writings. At some point, one begins to follow the original author, not the messenger.

I know perfectly well what you are speaking of, and always have since you arrive here in Restless Soma. It has never been the philosophical theory that you outline, that I have ever disagreed with.

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« Reply #280 on: January 01, 2017, 04:18:37 PM »
Post them in support of what has been said, along with the Krauss video, to help you and those that may come and read this thread 'see" ........ They say what I wish to say in more depth and less personally and therefore less likely to misconstrued.

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At some point, one begins to follow the original author, not the messenger.

The original author is the spirit. These books are understood in more depth as one gains in energy. Though yes
at some point one can write about their own experiences and "seeing".

You have written a book, and are writing another, are they theory or direct knowing?

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If you haven't found that spring, you are at the disposal of Maya, and no matter how clever and insightful your 'seeing', it is
ultimately false, for although you see a fragment of reality, you don't see the path through the bush.

This statement is diametrically opposed to one of the main pillars of CC's toltec offerings. "Seeing" eventually becomes direct knowing. One of the attributes of developing attention is that some achieved attentions don't just see fragments of reality, they "see" what the fragments are made of and the how and why they exist and how they can be used, and are being used, by different levels of attention. 

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« Reply #281 on: January 02, 2017, 04:29:48 AM »
Yes we should not give false affection to cater to these attentions and speak the truth in their face
Should those who keep truth
The gaurdian who keeps prisoners
The guard who sets them free
The way is the truth
That's the light
Other wise
Much thunder outside
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #282 on: January 02, 2017, 04:42:08 AM »
Good luck on your journey Nemo
You too Michael
Much respect to you both
Seeing can also become homogenous through agreements
Based on power which is not true
I thought perhaps this understanding could bring
Although unhomogenous
Greater for all
Even such insight can fall at its own feet
That those would speak the same in diffrent terms
Believe me if I decide to be right
It will be righteous
Wishing you the best possible
Truly I do

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #283 on: January 06, 2017, 07:26:29 PM »
Hi there...In this old thread.  :)

Nik, or Nikos, (or Zik :) ) ... whatever you prefer.

I feel warmth, that I could be able to talk with Endless Knot again , if it happens, and all ........

We have polar temperature here in Athens today. They also warned us of tornado winds but so far we haven't encountered it.

Best regards - (For the new year, and throughout eternity - why not)

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« Reply #284 on: January 08, 2017, 06:26:04 AM »
Right. Good job Nemo - well presented and explained. I think you have certainly got the gist of this.
Not much more to say really.

"And thus he has encountered his second enemy..."