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Tools of the Path => Action [Public] => Topic started by: runningstream on December 13, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
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How can Ignorance be over come ?
is it possible to reach such a state of detachment to permanently
negate its influence from others and ourselves ?
do such people exist ?
or have they just separated themselves sufficiently to be able to switch off ?
if an annoying person were to poke buddha repeatedly and niggle at him ,
would he withstand that pressure ?
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i will try and articulate it a little more clearly
if a return to emptiness is necessary
has one still got a foot in the world?
what would one then travel upon ?
having renounced ordinary mundane existence
where does one then go
next
in the mean time
during normal workings of life
if one is continually met with ignorance
which beckons ones engagement
and attempts to address it are met with
a game like mentality of continuing on those lines
and keeping the games going
how does the re emerging or healing petty tyrant within ourselves further
continue existence s course?
is it a game of patience to arrive upon more favorable circumstances
is it ignorance alone to re enter upon ignorance in the same way again
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on another angle
would buddha still get pissed off
if he were to re engage with an annoying family member
or a past lover ?
what would he do with that side of affairs
if they were to exist
so then if we are to become an absolute renunciate
or a half variation
with lives which contain jobs and
worldly ties
how is it possible to be completely detached
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An old question, but today the answer is simple: we have to do both, at the same time as well as in sequence.
This is not the old days, when people retire to caves and monasteries, although you can still do that. The acolyte of today must excel in both worlds, simultaneously. Think this is onerous? Too right! This is much harder than the aspirants of old.
First, you have to ensure your actions in either world do not undermine the effectiveness of the other. That is extremely difficult.
Secondly, you have to learn the 'rules' of engagement in both worlds. You may be focused on your personal spiritual aspirations, and acquiring those rules is hard enough, but you also need to learn the worldly spirituality of the subway crowd - that is also difficult to grasp.
Lastly, you have to know in which world you are currently acting, and thus, which rules apply.
No one said this path is easy.
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i think if we could give them a moments pause
in detachment
we might stand a better chance
maybe it would be better to concentrate on that
moment of empty cup
as trying to turn water into wine
that way
the water can stay the same
because no new buckets enter the stream
i understand it is easy to crack a bucket
but that wont do it either
how to crack a bucket or pour water in the top
so it cracks itself to see through the hole
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it is frustrating watching people go around in circles
i can do it too
yet i seem to spiral out of it
how can a spiral be given
maybe cards could be made for christmas
and the receiver receives a spiral for christmas
at the beginning of spiral stands themself
somewhere in time
at the other end stands their self walking onwards
periodically within the stream
appearances come and dissappear
the learning or walking would be both their future time speakihg to them
and their past self walking and learning with and as them
as they had opened the gap "space" between such time
everything in between would inform them of their path also
now how to get that into a Christmas card
gravity
that would be a good lesson also
lite and heavy
both float within the stream
awakening to walking
in spiral
would mean
"come to the cafe , we will sit together and order a nice meal "
"i shall show you the pillar the man sat beneath with his baby / child "
the colors represent something one upon the other in spectrum
the roof is on fire
fire reaches ether burning off the old as its up
walking on water that way
take the had and we shall reach the winds which prevail yet leave no thing standing
winds that tear down the house
those winds what will be left standing ?
only that which can withstand the winds by being also and non being
having no clinging
to the ones passing
its a short story
across the road in another cafe
you might see one with a golden hue surrounding them
they might be the new ones walking in
there is something very centered and confident about them whilst the wind
whips every thing and one around them
very calm
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Find a model or an archetype of a person who has passed frustration and ignorance.
Start to imitate their behaviour and listen to their lessons.
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i seemed to have locked the topic again by accident
conincidence
well i saw that photo of the arm wrestling incident
any way Eric these things were'nt created in a vacuum so lets get some bass in here
Jahn
Lets get those guys your speaking about in here right now
because I have had enough of this your religion my religion bullshit
and if we get buddha Jesus mohammad
and chuck norris in here
we can sort this out
i have walked "with" jesus
and i don't mean that in the hansy pansy way either
his blood has coursed through my veins i suppose you could say
if jesus came to earth buddha came to earth and mohammad
with chuck norris
and sat down and you told them to look for a icon to follow what say you !
i'd dare say the pointy end of the spear
is in the hands of the modern seers
as we have their resources available
the devil visited me today
i felt him course through my veins
or my own devil
he through me tells me
standing between the sheets peeping out
and saying new age things like " every body is just a mirror"
and if you don't see it you don't give it power
yet if you can't really stay between the sheets like buddha
how does this help
chuck norris has an answer
im not sure its right
but the buffet after the delightful conversation
will be wonderful
the devil want's to know if i can let chuck norris loose by the way
and give him a blazing sword
Michael i agree with you
although i am trying to meld the two together
as my experience has brought me
I am all ears as to what buddha would bring jesus and chuck norris to the table
the biggest issue i find is assumptions pre ceeding communications
i would love to hear what buddha has to say
i would love to see the stick and ball model of all involved
turned into a fruit platter
i wold dare say the stick ball model would need be inclusive
as those melding the two
and those keeping them separated
might miss each other mid stream not even seeing
and buddha will be between the sheets
and chuck norris will be in a helicopter flying it by instinct alone
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i will try and articulate it a little more clearly
if a return to emptiness is necessary
has one still got a foot in the world?
what would one then travel upon ?
having renounced ordinary mundane existence
where does one then go
I saw a really good quote recently but I can not find it again.
It said soemthing like your task is to be open enough to feel the cares of the world and cry for it, but not be affected by it.
You must also become detached enough to sit across the table with mosters and killers and not be affected.
Anyone know the quote I mean? Or did I dream that? It's hard to tell sometimes.
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i am blazing a tail today
direction has a tail
and i need that tail wind to pull the stars with it
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about the meaning of faith
its no different than claiming your sovereignty
i spoke to a man before
his words said "best of luck with it"
yet he meant by it instead " your kidding yourself no hope"
i felt that
yet i am pulling all the stars with me
and i see him for what he is
so my faith knows he is testing me
it is my faith that will blaze a tail today and pull the stars with it
now i am pointing at the tail
don't look too hard or you might miss it
it will appear in front of you
i think it is necessary to use that faith and personal drive
to hold it dear
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Faith is a funny word.
Depending on your (personal) definition of it, can mean any number of things. Me, not religious, never have been so a religious connotation of faith is not even in myscope of perception. have had discussions on faith though with people who are very anti religion and can't seem to see that my faith has nothing to do with any god or religious texts. For me, it's close to intent.
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Then intent implies movement with direction
Faith as I used the term implies spirit or source coming from all angles towards us
Within time
So therefore "faith" yourself whole or the source you are
Is complete and now your are a force to be reckoned with in your movement
within this living water
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Then intent implies movement with direction
Faith as I used the term implies spirit or source coming from all angles towards us
Within time
So therefore "faith" yourself whole or the source you are
Is complete and now your are a force to be reckoned with in your movement
within this living water
We are on a similar page
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Then we are strong trees
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Jahn
Lets get those guys your speaking about in here right now
because I have had enough of this your religion my religion bullshit
and if we get buddha Jesus mohammad
and chuck norris in here
we can sort this out
I have walked "with" jesus
What Jesus do you know? Are you familiar with this edition of Jesus? (Some years later Jesus Christ).
Well, in general terms religion is not propelling esoteric students forward on their spiritual path, simply because that "religious ideas" keep them stuck. Simple as that, get free, go find the Universe as it is ...
English Standard Version of the New Testament Mark 7:
1) Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2) they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3) (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,a holding to the tradition of the elders,
4) and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) [My comment is that it is very good to wash the hands before eating, so I do not disagree with that, but this story of Jesus is not about hygiene].
5) And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6) And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7) in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
9) And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10) For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11) But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God
12) then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13) thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
What Defiles a Person
14) And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand:
15) There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”
17) And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable.
18) And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him,
19) since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled. (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20) And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him".
Is this clearly understood by everyone!?
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yes
Did you ask your guide yet ?
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yes
Did you ask your guide yet ?
Asked my guide, about what?