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Tools of the Path => Toltec [Public] => Topic started by: Firestarter on September 04, 2024, 04:04:23 PM
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Half way through my reread. The whole deal with the inorganics. I see why Don Juan isn’t fond of this. But still, I guess he knew Carlos had to get through the Gates of Dreaming. But this emissary! Like it says to Carlos, they don’t want to feed off his energy, just experience it, like sunlight touching him. That’s like a man saying he doesn’t want to have sex with you, he just wants to lay there with you naked. As believable as that! 😂 Of course they want to feed off him! But I notice Carlos seems to be losing his wits, getting pulled in deeper. I think this happens to lots of folks who astral travel. That’s why I was always told dress dark, hide your light. Be inconspicuous.
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“The emissary’s voice urged me to open up to them by canceling out my suspicious thoughts. I heard the voice, and, as I listened to what it was saying, I realized that I was hearing, feeling, and thinking exactly as I do in my daily world. I slowly turned to see around me. Taking the clarity of my perception as a gauge, I concluded that I was in a real world.
The emissary’s voice sounded in my ears. It said that for me the only difference between perceiving my world and perceiving theirs was that perceiving their world started and ended in the blink of an eye; perceiving mine did not, because my awareness-together with awareness of an immense number of beings like me, who held my world in place with their intent-was fixed on my world. The emissary added that perceiving my world started and ended in the same way for the inorganic beings, in the blink of an eye, but perceiving their world did not, because there were immense numbers of them holding it in place with their intent.”
It’s interesting. For us, or Carlos, the immense holds the daily world up. For inorganics, same, for them. For them in our world, blink of an eye. And the eye is the focus of perception. For Carlos, their world, blink of an eye. It’s something to ponder on.
Then also the emissary says “We can’t exist without each other.”
What would it be like if the gates closed for all?
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I 'm not sure about this, and how could I be, but I remember don Juan's last words about dreaming to Carlos were about the assemblage point; he said dreaming could be translated/referred as keeping the AP steady, stationary.
Don Juan was a man of knowledge .........
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I 'm not sure about this, and how could I be, but I remember don Juan's last words about dreaming to Carlos were about the assemblage point; he said dreaming could be translated/referred as keeping the AP steady, stationary.
Don Juan was a man of knowledge .........
But not fixed. Move it at Will with intent.
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Actually 'still' was the word I was seeking up .... my english sometimes..... :D
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So I was reading last night about The Blue Scout, and how stupidly Carlos got a hero complex, and was willing to die to save The Blue Scout from the IB world. Then don Juan, Carol Tiggs, and friends all went in and they yanked him out. Really, she did though, and that got me thinking about The Nagual Woman. I wonder how she is doing now. But this is probably a reason I have always felt an aversion, even to medium reads. I am happy doing tarot cause that's just me and the higher self. Now I have mediumed on occasion. Like I did do one recently for an older client, who I felt needed a message from late husband. It went well, when he showed me them dancing together, and went on about it. She said "When you said dancing, I knew it was him! He took me out dancing every weekend!" And while it can help folks, I also know it can open portals that are hard to close. Now course, I wouldn't be worth much, if I could not close a portal. I can see them and I can close them, But still, doing this all the time, I would think it would cause a lot of collateral damage.
But course we know the tale of the physical Blue Scout, and how their bones were found in Death Valley, not that long ago. Such a huge mystery here. So am I off if the spirit of the girl from the IB world, became the Blue Scout in the physical and possessed? I know that could occur, but then I wonder where the Physical Blue Scout is, soul wise, or if they shared a house. Just some thoughts. It's a little confusing.
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I like what Don Juan says here:
“Be impeccable. I have told you this dozens of times. To be impeccable means to put your life on the line in order to back up your decisions, and then do quite a lot more than your best to realize those decisions. When you are not deciding anything, you are merely playing roulette with your life in a helter skelter way.”
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I'm just gonna put the whole page on here. I find this interesting what don Juan says to Carlos, about stalking the energy body. Now I am aware the dreaming body IS the energy body, it's basically the same deal. And I don't necessarily get too concerned energy, causal, and the like. Astral body. But I normally feel the energy body is ME. Now, I don't think don Juan is saying different to Carlos. But it is interesting how he says he has to stalk his own energy body. Course I guess we have to if we are going to shift the AP and fix it at a certain point. But this is an interesting dialog nonetheless.
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Yes, and this is a big one I remember. Here it is:
"'The energy necessary to move the assemblage points of sorcerers comes from the realm of inorganic beings,' he said, as if he were hurrying to get it over with.
My heart nearly stopped. I felt a vertigo and had to stomp my feet on the ground not to faint.
'This is the truth,' don Juan went on, 'and the legacy of the old sorcerers to us. They have us pinned down to this day. This is the reason I don't like them. I resent having to dip into one source alone. Personally, I refuse to do it. And I have tried to steer you away from it. But with no success, because something pulls you to that world, like a magnet....'
'What can I do about it?' I asked.
'We can't have dealings with them,' he answered, ' and yet we can't stay away from them. My solution has been to take their energy but not give into their influence. This is known as the ultimate stalking. It is done by sustaining the unbending intent of freedom, even though no sorcerer knows what freedom really is.'"
Then he goes on, the energy required to move the AP, basically has to be borrowed.
But I do notice something don Juan says. And I wonder if anyone caught it before. He does not say you have to get the energy from the inorganic beings themselves. He says you get it from their realm. Now, of course, there could be energy taken from an IB, but I don't think it is totally necessary. The realm itself has energy and power in it. So using the realm itself, one can slip in and use the energy of it. At least, I would say so.
This should make sense, since don Juan was more concerned that Carlos see energy itself, energy in motion, more than interacting with the IBs themselves. Seeing is what he wanted him to do.
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Oh this is interesting! I don’t remember this part. M at the part Don Juan wants Carlos to dream with Carol Tiggs. He says this:
“‘Ive said to you inorganic beings don’t pursue females; they only go after males. But I’ve also said to you that the inorganic beings are female, and that the entire universe is female to a large degree….’
Since I had no way to draw any conclusions, Don Juan explained to me that sorceresses, in theory, come and go as they please in that world because of their enhanced awareness and femaleness.”
Now it’s not explained, but I wonder if the IBs see the damage the masculine has done to the physical reality, and this is why they are hostile to male sorcerers. Just a thought.
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Pardon me, but I think 'the art of dreaming' as a book, is on the dark side of the Toltec teachings...
too complex
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Pardon me, but I think 'the art of dreaming' as a book, is on the dark side of the Toltec teachings...
too complex
It is, because it all leads up to the encounter with the tenant. The whole climax of the book. I ended at that point last night almost done with it. Yes, I have no desire to ever encounter the tenant or any death defier, or make any exchange deals myself. I have always heard from my own double "no deals!" That's reverberated in my psyche for many years. But there is still some good considerations of the book, and I suppose we have to know both the light and dark sides of them. Good point!
I may have encountered one years ago. The Indian man with the funny eye, who handed me a bag of marbles, with a hole in them. I was at a store, got him a new bag so they wouldn't fall out. Shortly after, I found a quote by don Juan: "A warrior never loses his marbles. He remains untouched." I KNOW it was a spirit message, for sure. Now I don't think the man had any desire to harm. He definitely gave a valuable message. He seemed to walk out of the ether. But I have considered in past he was a death defier. I am not sure. But I did sense a tremendous power coming from him.
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Oh this is interesting! I don’t remember this part. M at the part Don Juan wants Carlos to dream with Carol Tiggs. He says this:
“‘Ive said to you inorganic beings don’t pursue females; they only go after males. But I’ve also said to you that the inorganic beings are female, and that the entire universe is female to a large degree….’
Since I had no way to draw any conclusions, Don Juan explained to me that sorceresses, in theory, come and go as they please in that world because of their enhanced awareness and femaleness.”
Now it’s not explained, but I wonder if the IBs see the damage the masculine has done to the physical reality, and this is why they are hostile to male sorcerers. Just a thought.
I don't know it's that they see the damage the masculine's done. It may be more in that men have to beat their head into a wall a billion times before they make any progress and then because of that it just makes them so easy to toy/play with. Women are different It's much easier for us.
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I could imagine it is bc the feminine energy body has a strong magnetic pull to it. I think it would be easy for an unaware masculine to get pulled into that slipstream and consumed. It is only the natural way of things
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I could imagine it is bc the feminine energy body has a strong magnetic pull to it. I think it would be easy for an unaware masculine to get pulled into that slipstream and consumed. It is only the natural way of things
Now if don Juan is correct and usually is, but that the IB energy is feminine, the feminine wanting to dominate the masculine, an inverse makes sense. Because the second attention or astral is said to be an inverse of the physical. Like even above, an inverse. Like in our physical universe, of course we may see the earth in the feminine, sky in masculine. But the daily world is ruled by the masculine, hands down. I mean, it has been for thousands of years. So if that is the case, then the inverse in the astral or second attention makes sense to be feminine, and then in that world, the feminine would flip it all on its head and try to dominate the masculine. This may be why feminine dreamers can be stronger and accomplish much more. It is an interesting premise, and I'm not sure why I never considered this inversion before. I am mystified by that.
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Ok I'm right at the end. Now this is interesting when I come to this. I read how he meets The Tenant. How he is then dreaming with Carol Tiggs, but don Juan states he dreamed with both the tenant and Carol Tiggs, they merged.
"It means that the death defier has seen her total way out. She caught a ride with you. Your fate is her fate...""
"Meaning that if you reach freedom so will she."
But this is also interesting here. This made me get up to type it out:
"The death defier's gift consists of endless dreaming possibilities. One of them was your dream of Carol Tiggs in another time, in another world; a more vast world, open-ended, a world where the impossible might even be feasible. The implication was not only that you will live those possibilities but that one day you will comprehend them."
THAT is quantum theory. That is speaking of timelines. CLEARLY.
Later Carlos says: "I was with the real Carol Tiggs at the hotel...for a moment, I myself believed she was the death defier, but after careful evaluation, I can't hold to that belief. She was Carol. In some obscure, awesome way she was at the hotel, as I was there at the hotel myself."
But don Juan says it was not Carol, but Carlos projected her. But Carol Tiggs is gone.
But we know she was around somewhere. But perhaps he meant her soul went with the sorcerers of intiquity?
So I wonder, as the death defier gave him countless dreaming possibilities, if Carlos never returned to the original timeline. It seems as such.
What a bizarre way for this to end!
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So trying to wrap my head around this. Don Juan said Carol Tiggs is gone. You would think she left “on the wings of intent.” But could it be, Carlos shifted and he actually left, going into a different timeline? I just feel like he didn’t return to the original one.
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So trying to wrap my head around this. Don Juan said Carol Tiggs is gone. You would think she left “on the wings of intent.” But could it be, Carlos shifted and he actually left, going into a different timeline? I just feel like he didn’t return to the original one.
Read this at 937pm 37%
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Read this at 937pm 37%
I just got done commenting, last stats, Taylor Swift got like 337k folks to go to a voter registration site. I mean, I just put the post up and now saw this. :)
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Also a lot on this, and yes, I mainly picked it up again, one, spirit led to do so. But I wanted to wrap around shifting the AP. A bit more. I can shift it. But I want to do it without going flower all insane and returning back to sobriety. Now, I blame the double on those moments, hands down! I may "be" the double and the avatar both. But I don't need that shit! ;D
Now I still am reading Being in Dreaming, also led to crack it open again. But I also need to re-read The Active Side of Infinity.
Shit I got two months basically, to get my house in order. Cause Soma, we gonna move. We have been moving. But we gotta "go big or go home" move before Pluto is done and sets its ass in Aquarius.
I also got a lot of ideas swirling on this Carol/Carlos deal. Anyone ever notice how similar their names are? I noticed that years ago.
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Well, I haven't read all this, at least since I read that book many time long ago, but I have a few points to prosecute.
Firstly, forget about Carol - poor woman got roped into the Carlos drama. As did so many others. Best forget about Carlos and his dupes.
Secondly, intent is not intend. Intend is a verb, and to say all one needs to do is practice is frankly inane. To lift intend from wish, hope, and casual will, requires a lifetime of building inner force. How to do that is the core precept of sorcery. I'm always flabbergasted at how many play at sorcery terms but rarely ask how they can become a reality.
Thirdly, the comment about the prevalence of female energy, put to lie the excesses of feminism. True, masculine energy in the vast past and current history of humanity has been unbelievably appalling - in fact I'd call it down-right evil. But there is something unique and preciously essential about masculine energy. I understand why women throw their hands in the air and reject the whole thing - I get it - but that's no answer. If humanity is to have a future, male energy must align with its spiritual intent. That's not just a job for men - women must play their role in forcing men to drop their stupid brutality and ignorance. I suppose, this will never happen and we are all doomed...
Fourthly, I am coming to realise why the path of human evolution veered away from the influence of priests and mystics, into the hands of rationalists and materialists. Mystics must of course, continue to play their essential role, but they caused so much havoc in the past that it was with excellent wisdom that the inner sanity of humanity rejected them.
In so many countries, the mystics cast humanity down such a dark hole, that people simply walked away but never forgot. In so many lands there is evidence of wonderful social arrangements, like the Hopewell Interactive Sphere on Turtle Island, only to be followed by the worst male atrocity of Cahokia. Or like Teotihuacan followed by Tenochtitlan in Mesoamerica. Even Chavín de Huantar terrifies me. The downfall was always accompanied by the mystical priestly caste who validated inhumanity on an insidious scale. Truly, humanity is better off without a mystical tradition, except, with that went supersensible meaning and purpose.
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Yes there is things I can say about Carol. I think when I get home, ill grab "The Sorcerer's Apprentice." Tho I have felt somewhere in the middle is the truth, what happens in the church. I also am beginning Active Side of Infinity, cause Carlos gets cursed in it. ;) But I think on the masculine. If the masculine keeps continuing at the rate it is right now, which is getting more extreme, to suppress the feminine, they are going to be abandoned altogether. This energy, which is not just US, but all over, wanting to suppress and own the feminine and get her to deny her power, it's always lurking, but it is rearing its ugly head in a bad way. Then we have feminine leaders rising all over. I'll get more on this. What you say about dark mystics makes sense too cause they get drunk on power and miss the mark the original intent of their path.
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Also I do want to address the whole feminine thing here. It is ironic don Juan says what he does, when Carlos got all weird in the end, which we cant dismiss. But what you said here is the true takeaway:
Secondly, intent is not intend. Intend is a verb, and to say all one needs to do is practice is frankly inane. To lift intend from wish, hope, and casual will, requires a lifetime of building inner force. How to do that is the core precept of sorcery. I'm always flabbergasted at how many play at sorcery terms but rarely ask how they can become a reality.
Yeah and I will speak on intent all the time. The thing is, we all DO have power within. But I know it is super hard to explain how to use it. It's a physical, mental, spiritual endeavor to even wield force. Now, I think when folks get real desperate - say if unskilled - but just desperate and it explodes from them. Things can happen (like the woman lifting a car off her toddler, despite the odds). But force is in us, and it has to be nurtured and built up. Imagining its there is not going to do it. I mean as it being a true force. But folks need to know its in them to be nurtured at all.
But a huge problem with folks: laziness. So many resort to magical thinking and no effects are made. Now I know you said practice need more than that. But practice will build it. But course we have to get past the practice stage and be putting shit to use.
I'll touch on the feminine later. I could write reems on that.
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Yeah so I pulled out The Sorcerers Apprentice. It’s the chapter The Truth Defier, what went on with Carol Tiggs in the church. Some weird exchange of energy. Somehow sexual with the Death Defier.
Now this is why, and other things, I feel in his last book, Active Side of Infinity, Don Juan said “I hope you find love” to Carlos. Plunged into a dumpster fire of IBs wrecking him in the infinite.
But I think Don Juan has a similar parallel to Jesus too (see my Crack in the Cosmic Egg post). I think Don Juan knew that Carlos could be weak to things. But I feel Don Juan wanted the books recorded. But he knew some bad things could occur. Jesus the same. He knew once he came out as he was, and had his warrior party spreading his message, it would get messed up too. He does say, it’s a narrow gate, and very few find it!
Now what Michael is saying, that women should not totally abandon the masculine. Looking at me running my group 8 years now. I have said countless times, it’s 85% women. Now I have to be somewhat lighter in there. A little bit. When it comes to the masculine, at least in the US, many are chomping at the bit this “alpha male” nonsense, and listening to that tired ass, played out Jordan Peterson, and the likes of him, the “poor man’s intellectual,” and they call that spirituality. So until these Whiney, crybaby alpha males stop their petty nonsense, and learn a thing or two, women have to stand alone in spirituality. The women are way far ahead of the game and “getting it” much faster these days. So until the crybabies drop JP and all the other c***s squawking about male superiority, this is where it sits. My two cents.
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I'm not sure how to feel about Carlos Castaneda anything. While I see something's true per experience the general vibe is dark and twisted. For a while I kept receiving the message Don Juan is a bully. This was in early 2023, I think.
I take what I can from what's written if it is alignment to my experiences but I don't trust it at all.
I have had more issues in Carlos realm of things than I even had as a Christian. Christianity suffocates the true self and spirit but Carlos is a whirlwind of flowerery soup satan himself made that would make people run back to religion because it -feels- safer.
I will not elaborate further 😂
I do question a lot of humanity is lost entirely. I don't see a way for humanity to make any correct turns. I'm not saying impossible..... But I know there's so many perspectives, stories, beliefs, ect for humanity to come together as a whole. Then we are being forced to reincarnate over and over as well planned out four-course meals.
Masculine and feminine energy is out of balance in many ways.
The masses are not awake and they have the bulk of the collective so....I feel that's an issue.
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I'm not sure how to feel about Carlos Castaneda anything. While I see something's true per experience the general vibe is dark and twisted. For a while I kept receiving the message Don Juan is a bully. This was in early 2023, I think.
I take what I can from what's written if it is alignment to my experiences but I don't trust it at all.
I have had more issues in Carlos realm of things than I even had as a Christian. Christianity suffocates the true self and spirit but Carlos is a whirlwind of flowerery soup satan himself made that would make people run back to religion because it -feels- safer.
I will not elaborate further 😂
I do question a lot of humanity is lost entirely. I don't see a way for humanity to make any correct turns. I'm not saying impossible..... But I know there's so many perspectives, stories, beliefs, ect for humanity to come together as a whole. Then we are being forced to reincarnate over and over as well planned out four-course meals.
Masculine and feminine energy is out of balance in many ways.
The masses are not awake and they have the bulk of the collective so....I feel that's an issue.
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