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Tools of the Path => Toltec [Public] => Topic started by: Angela on May 21, 2008, 01:29:09 PM
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Have you all seen this before? ...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8647785195385579634
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I would like to hear the radio interviews rather than readers experiences.
Perhaps if I tell the same story one more time, then people will understand a tiny piece of what I tried to tell them.
(http://sustainedaction.org/Images_Photos/Joanie_and_Carlos.gif)
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Perhaps if I tell the same story one more time, then people will understand a tiny piece of what I tried to tell them.
Spoken like a true optimist. *LOL* Wendy & I were discussing this just last night, w/ regard to one of life's most difficult lessons. Basically, we feel that if we could just explain it better, if we could just get the other person to see what we are saying, there would be a bright flash of light and all would be right with the world.
Alas, never happens.
We tell the story for the joy of telling the story. If anybody ever "understands" it, it will be as a matter of their own intent, and nothing else. I've wondered over the years if CC himself ever really figured that out, and/or if part of his seeming deterioration in his later years came as a result of some sense on his part that he had "failed", so might as well just indulge and party till you puke. I had a dream once where I was talking to CC, and he basically communicated that he didn't think ANY of the people closest to him "got it" in the least. I assured him that it didn't matter, and also that PLENTY of us who never even met him "got it" at a life-altering level.
So... that quote above always makes me think about why we tell our stories at all. In the end, just as a way of saying, "Kilroy was here."
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I enjoyed this film. There were quite a few “aha!” moments just listening to some of CC’s techniques explained (some "tiny pieces"). It gave me an insight into the human element of CC … a deeper look and respect for what the man was trying to convey. You know when Kris first introduced me to CC’s books, I kept trying to explain to him the similarities of CC’s works to Christianity … Della, I know you remember that ;) He kept saying No, no, it’s nothing like that, when in fact as I educated myself about other paths and religions, the similarities are there. What I remember jumping of the pages of CC, what resonated deeply, I subsequently found the same core ideas jumping out at me in Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc. … even ancient Greek mythology.
The story is the same, just revealed in a different way. Not right, or wrong, just different. Imagination is a wonderful thing. It spurs the process of awareness and ultimate manifestation of that awareness to a broader reach. CC definitely makes us reach further into that awareness/manifestation.
I guess what bothers me about the whole CC collection of works is that some people look Only to CC’s works as the sole tool for their path. They spout out metaphors from the books like bible readings, as if their supposed to be taken literally. There is just so much more out there. :) But … to each his own.
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Spoken like a true optimist.
Now Carlos wasn't any optimist. I just said what he said.
Funny -it is like he walks around here. If I should invite anyone to my breakfast table it must be Carlos Arana as first choice, but on the other hand I 've heard all his stories - but on the other hand I never get tired of them.
Think I heard his footsteps - that old rascal, always try to surprise you. One never knows when he will arrive, nor get away.
~.~
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I kept trying to explain to him the similarities of CC’s works to Christianity … Della, I know you remember that ;) He kept saying No, no, it’s nothing like that, when in fact as I educated myself about other paths and religions, the similarities are there. What I remember jumping of the pages of CC, what resonated deeply, I subsequently found the same core ideas jumping out at me in Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc. … even ancient Greek mythology.
The story is the same, just revealed in a different way. Not right, or wrong, just different. Imagination is a wonderful thing. It spurs the process of awareness and ultimate manifestation of that awareness to a broader reach. CC definitely makes us reach further into that awareness/manifestation.
I guess what bothers me about the whole CC collection of works is that some people look Only to CC’s works as the sole tool for their path. They spout out metaphors from the books like bible readings, as if their supposed to be taken literally. There is just so much more out there. :) But … to each his own.
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Well...there are two levels as always: level of mental, level of ideas, and level of action and practice. Do you find similarities between Castaneda and Christianity at that level as well?
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Well...there are two levels as always: level of mental, level of ideas, and level of action and practice. Do you find similarities between Castaneda and Christianity at that level as well?
E, are you saying two levels: 1) mental/ideas and 2) action/practice? Not sure if I understand your question. :)
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E, are you saying two levels: 1) mental/ideas and 2) action/practice? Not sure if I understand your question. :)
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You found similarities at the level of ideas. Did you compare the practices as well?
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You found similarities at the level of ideas. Did you compare the practices as well?
At the time, Juhani, I did see similarities between Christian and Toltec. Now, today, I see similarities in all religions/paths. Theme: Evolution .... Technique: Any way possible to find the truth within yourself, which is a brilliance of pure love that bubbles up within, and spreads like a wildfire when impeccably practiced ... through thought, action, ritual, whatever works.... Goal/End/Beginning: Evolution of soul/awareness/being to a pure state within the infinite.
We're having a discussion at Gypsy Garden (Lori-ann's), if you'd like to join us :)
Love,
Ang
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From Don Juan: Churches are monuments to self-importance. :)
What that might mean?
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out here where I live,
SI means Sacred Ibis
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out here where I live,
SI means Sacred Ibis
After years of working in the psych hospitals, "SI" is ingrained in my brain as to mean "suicidal ideation".
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From Don Juan: Churches are monuments to self-importance. :)
What that might mean?
I guess that would depend on how much stock I have in the validity of the entity, "don Juan".
I see a church as a structure, a building ... some are beautiful works of art, some are just boxes out in the middle of nowhere. When we look inside those churches, we see a mix of people. Self-important? Sure .... there are SI ppl ... but that is the minority. The majority are humble, impeccable people making their way through this world, just as we are. They're doing the Best they Know.
"Churches are monuments to self-importance." In itself is a self-important, judgmental statement.
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I think just the idea that you need to go somewhere outside of you to worship or show you believe is what makes it all seem so self important.
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The majority are humble, impeccable people making their way through this world, just as we are. They're doing the Best they Know.
They are doing the best they know,right, but that doesn't say that they are impeccable in any sense. To be, or to try to be impeccable is a active action with a intent behind, 99 percent of humanity does not have such an intent stated.
In fact every one is more or less a construction of fragmented personalities and have different compartments to live in. This in comparison with human beings that are whole and live in the face of truth, their truth of their soul. In alignment with the Soul or Higher self.
However, what you may witness is people, humble or not, that are doing their job by to a more or less degree fulfilling the purpose of their lifetime at earth.
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I think just the idea that you need to go somewhere outside of you to worship or show you believe is what makes it all seem so self important.
I pray/meditate in many different places. I don't think it's the matter of Where you go ... as Jahn says, it's the true intent behind it.
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George has a new book out - grim predictions
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I pray/meditate in many different places. I don't think it's the matter of Where you go ... as Jahn says, it's the true intent behind it.
This is exactly what what I am saying. ;D
"The church", as a worship center as per the discussion and Juhanis' question, a place outside of you, is not necessary. Ideas (or religions) that would like it to be so are based on SI.
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From Don Juan: Churches are monuments to self-importance. :)
What that might mean?
I guess that would depend on how much stock I have in the validity of the entity, "don Juan".
I see a church as a structure, a building ... some are beautiful works of art, some are just boxes out in the middle of nowhere. When we look inside those churches, we see a mix of people. Self-important? Sure .... there are SI ppl ... but that is the minority. The majority are humble, impeccable people making their way through this world, just as we are. They're doing the Best they Know.
"Churches are monuments to self-importance." In itself is a self-important, judgmental statement.
I think just the idea that you need to go somewhere outside of you to worship or show you believe is what makes it all seem so self important.
PS
My self importance made me answer this post. I tried to stop her, but I couldn't resist her charm.
:P
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I like some churches - mainly the old ones, and when there is no one else there
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I like some churches - mainly the old ones, and when there is no one else there
I like them too. The structure and architecture of some of the older ones are beautiful. I am very much enjoying Jahn's church pictures!
Also, there is an energy inside of churches (the ones I have been in) that is awesome. Once I went exploring as a kid in an old burned down church. And even though there had been no 'people' in it for quite some time, the energy inside the church was very intriguing. I had to keep going back and just being in there, even though I was forbidden to do so.
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actually now I think about it, I like all religion's churches - some modern Christian ones I don't go for, but I have been in Sikh, Taoist, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian and Hindu temples/churches/mosques, and the old ones especially I really like - but as I say, not when they are full of people.
I don't go for many of the services - not keen on the Muslim and Christian services. Sikh services are beautiful, and of course the Tibetan Buddhist ones are fabulous. Taoist services are either boring or weird. Hindu services are good fun if you don't mind the noise.
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Anglican services are kind of weird, too. At least the few I attended. A lot of yelling incomprehensible words and falling down on the floor, sometimes twitching. ???