Topic: Personal task vs life mission

[Jahn]

I would like to elaborate a bit on what we came here with.

Karma as a concept is well known but I would like to present another view of Karma than the traditional.

Kris teaches that as we are incarnated as individuals we also work out the piece of Karma as individuals but he says that karma by its nature is collective. I know this idea is threathening to the idea of previous lives in a logical serie and that we come here to clean up old mistakes. But when I try to focus on the energy of Karma it I get this collective feeling after all.

Suffering has a important part for many that lives a human life. According to Kris again the Earth life system is one of the few places of the available worlds that "offers" suffering. Therefore "a ticket" to Earth is  very valuable for the soul  in terms of growth, because to endure and overcome suffering is a quick way to growth.


In terms of growth it doesn't matter who's or what karma we work on as long as we sincerely address it.

In short we have a personal task and a life task to deal with through our life. Therefore we talk about probabilities and priorities. The priority is: Before we deal with our life mission we must to a sufficient degree deal with our personal task (whatever it is). The personal task in another language could be to work out a piece of the collective Karma.

The probability is: What are we given to work with in our last cycles? That much depend on how succesful we have been to connect to our Soul. The better connection, the more in the flow, the higher probability.
 
A close example. We have no use of a teacher or guide unless he or she has done their work on self properly. To become a teacher or guide in a esoteric school can be seen as a life mission. Not many have the option to become a guide in a esoteric school, that is rare. To become aware of our own probabilities we get to know our selves.

[tommy2]

I really found this out, Jahn, with respect to what my 2nd sensei exposed me to.  I can't say "revealed" because it took almost 30 years for me to finally realize what he was trying to "get across" to me.  Like you said, I had to work out my own concept of energy and MY energy before any sort of revelation could transpire.  I had to literally "go into" my past and see my parents' and grandparents' in their own growth before I could begin to assimilate what they had passed onto me through my genes and "karma", if you will.  I,too, sense strongly this collectiveness.  Guess I just had to grow up.  t

[Michael]

I had to literally "go into" my past and see my parents' and grandparents' in their own growth before I could begin to assimilate what they had passed onto me through my genes and "karma"

yes - that is very important tom - you put it well

[daphne]

I really found this out, Jahn, with respect to what my 2nd sensei exposed me to.  I can't say "revealed" because it took almost 30 years for me to finally realize what he was trying to "get across" to me.  Like you said, I had to work out my own concept of energy and MY energy before any sort of revelation could transpire.  I had to literally "go into" my past and see my parents' and grandparents' in their own growth before I could begin to assimilate what they had passed onto me through my genes and "karma", if you will.  I,too, sense strongly this collectiveness.  Guess I just had to grow up.  t

I remember soon after my daughter was born, we were on holiday with my parents. One evening, we started talking.. it ended up as a sort of "clearing'> I was fortunate to have a happy childhood although i was not a very happy person, and very much loved, which i always knew. But in talking with my parents over stuff that had seemed to me so important so many years ago, i got a bit of understanding about preception.
From there, I realized that many of what i called my 'issues' were inherited. My introduction to the path at that time was very much in the eastern tradition of advaita and so karma was an aspect i was exploring. over the years, i began to see karma through many different angles, personal, family, race, culture, group, and collective. It was difficult after that to see karma entirely as 'personal'.
I worked a lot with releasing issues I had perceived through my family (especially on the maternal side, mother and grandmother), as well as racial and cultural - they are all so linked together.
To me, personal karma is an aspect of self-importance. That is not to say that consequences do not exist. the universe is balanced - it would not exist otherwise, and it is me that may be out of tune - (so to speak) - so that any work i do on 'karma' is my particular note of the symphony that in a way keeps the universe in balance. I don't go much for the punishment/reward view of karma, but rather view karma as an adjustment.
Karma to me is non-personal. That i as a personality may view it as personal is really just a perception. Even taking the theory of re-incarnation in account, once we can get away from lives as being linear, then karma starts looking different.

To return to topic - personal task vs life mission - they are really interconnected for me at this stage of my life.  With different angles on karma, and angles that can co-exist quite well together, the whole concept around personal task and life mission takes on different meaning.

[Jahn]

I too have had this close connection to my genetic ancestors. It told me a lot. The Native Indians sometimes says that they want to break the curse of the family. That is their chance to freedom. "Curse" sounds a bit dramatic but tells a lot what it is all about, it is something dysfunctional, a kind of energy pattern, that we inherit from generation to generation.

Just like Daphne says.

But in talking with my parents over stuff that had seemed to me so important so many years ago, i got a bit of understanding about preception.
From there, I realized that many of what i called my 'issues' were inherited.

To me, personal karma is an aspect of self-importance. That is not to say that consequences do not exist. the universe is balanced - it would not exist otherwise, and it is me that may be out of tune - (so to speak) - so that any work i do on 'karma' is my particular note of the symphony that in a way keeps the universe in balance. I don't go much for the punishment/reward view of karma, but rather view karma as an adjustment.
Karma to me is non-personal. That i as a personality may view it as personal is really just a perception. Even taking the theory of re-incarnation in account, once we can get away from lives as being linear, then karma starts looking different.

Another thing with the "collective" nature of karma is that nations, cultures and tribes have their own pool of karma and that it is common that our soul incarnate many lifetimes in the same nationality or culture. I have sensed this to a certain degree and many memories can be explained by this line of incarnations in Northern Europe. However as multiple or complex beings we are I would like to add 5 more possible, quite different cultures, that my soul have experienced and that I am aware of. Some cultures passes completely blank for me. I don't "feel" a jota when I connect or take part of them while others give me the thrill.

[nichi]

I too have had this close connection to my genetic ancestors. It told me a lot. The Native Indians sometimes says that they want to break the curse of the family. That is their chance to freedom. "Curse" sounds a bit dramatic but tells a lot what it is all about, it is something dysfunctional, a kind of energy pattern, that we inherit from generation to generation.

When you say "genetic ancestors", I think of the generations of grandparents going back in time, dna, and the like. I don't even know who mine are, which seems to be the norm in the us, but my foot does set to tapping when I hear Irish/Scottish jigs and reels.
But if I repeat the ancestors' pattern, I'll never know in a concrete way.

I think of "psychic heritage", though, and however it gets transposed into actions and experiences (or doesn't get transposed), it does seem to be a force which looms. I thought I had completely escaped mine until I started making these trips to california. Now i remember why any trips I made in the last 30 years were only for 5-7 days each time. Heh.

But separate from it, and move onto a different trek or path from the genetics? yes, I know it's possible. I've lived that way for 30 years.

As for the culture of country, well that is something to perpetually stalk. Especially in the us.

I don't "feel" a jota when I connect or take part of them while others give me the thrill.

Hey, JM, which is the thrilling part? (she asks from pure nosiness) 

[Jahn]

Hey, JM, which is the thrilling part? (she asks from pure nosiness) 

I would like to think that many of us travelers have this vein. It started early of course and it took many years before I figured out what it was all about. Let's say that you read a history-book, you may then get very interested in some parts and just glance through other chapters. It is about resonance and attraction, some cultures attract me more and occasionly, when I take part of photos or reports from other cultures it just hits a place within me. If I let go, images can flood up, like short movie scenes.

[nichi]

I would like to think that many of us travelers have this vein. It started early of course and it took many years before I figured out what it was all about. Let's say that you read a history-book, you may then get very interested in some parts and just glance through other chapters. It is about resonance and attraction, some cultures attract me more and occasionly, when I take part of photos or reports from other cultures it just hits a place within me. If I let go, images can flood up, like short movie scenes.

Yeah... I get that a lot with ancient British Isles history. And, I get it with the myths of Atlantis, Lemuria, etc. And some of the old Indian myths. (India proper, that is.)

[Jahn]

When you say "genetic ancestors", I think of the generations of grandparents going back in time, dna, and the like. I don't even know who mine are, which seems to be the norm in the us, but my foot does set to tapping when I hear Irish/Scottish jigs and reels.
But if I repeat the ancestors' pattern, I'll never know in a concrete way.

Even if my father has done research of our ancestors back to the 17th century it has little to do with my energy tracking. That energy sensing was only regarding me, my father and his father, my grandfather.

On my mothers side, my parents are proud to tell that they found a Finnish shaman! But I did not get any special energy connection that way, not with my grandmother (on mothers side either) but I may have molded a lot energy from my mother and my fathers mother. That is quite plausible because they lived very close to each other when I was in conception while my mothers mother lived in the other side of the country and had very little contact with my mother. So these two women shaped the major part of my feminine energy config.

[nichi]

This is interesting, Juan.
I have learned in the past 5 years of some traits with my biological grandfather on my mother's side (who I never met), and his mother, which finally are a little like me.
OBE's, old-time spiritualists, wildlife being attracted to them, like that.
I never knew any of this growing up -- my mother kept a lid on her paternal line, for some reason.
So perhaps there is something to the genetics. I don't know.

Even if there is, we still have to acknowledge our own proclivities and work with those.

I do regret never being in a position to learn anything from my biological grandfather, though.  Except in spirit, perhaps.

[daphne]

I have found that 'genetic' DNA has much impact on my emotional body and thats where a lot of the work I have done has been focused. That seems to resonate with patterns and beliefs.
I have also found different 'impacts' or energy sensing - without really connecting it to re-incarnation - at a level that resonates at the heart chakra more than at the emotional sacral chakra. That resonates more with people than culture.
There is also a level that I cannot connect to familial DNA, and that resonates at throat chakra level. This is perhaps more in line with cultures other than my own. Not all cultures cause that resonance.

[Nick]

I too have had this close connection to my genetic ancestors. It told me a lot. The Native Indians sometimes says that they want to break the curse of the family. That is their chance to freedom. "Curse" sounds a bit dramatic but tells a lot what it is all about, it is something dysfunctional, a kind of energy pattern, that we inherit from generation to generation.

This doesn't seem at all dramatic for my wife's side of the family. Matter of fact, it is the most accurate description I have heard for her family. I used to try and tell my wife that if she wanted to be free of her depression she might have to stake her claim to her own life and individuality (putting it in words she could understand) and this might require that she leave her family.

The family thing in this case really does seem like black magic.

Her family is the type to hold on to there issues and wounds like they are treasures and then pass them on from generation to generation. There is a long line of abuse esp. sexual abuse. They are very clingy, if you leave (Like her brother Michael did, smart kid, but he was raised by his father not his mother.) you are sending them a big flower you and must not really love them. I've watched how Lisa and her mother re-stimulate each other's issues and then act as if nothing is wrong. And, you can almost see the cords connecting them like they are tangible material things.

Personally I've resigned myself to not try and help her with this. I've taken Lisa's mother as my petty tyrant, because she annoys me to distraction. Like I said before maybe if I grow Lisa will as well or maybe not.

I never had a solid familial life which I'm thankful for except it did cause some trouble later in life.

I and my wife have know each other since I was 5 years old so in many ways her family and mine are one. Not to mention the vast similarities between us. This has always fascinated me, that is how similar our two families are and how this whole genetic thing works.


There does from time to time seem to be something more to my connection to my wife...like maybe we have shared a past life or so. One time I even swore my wife spoke to me from some other place within her:


We were driving down the road and the sun was setting. The sky had a red tint. I could feel a connection between me and the setting sun or something, I can't understand it. But, there was something the air that day. I and my wife had been fighting. On some level I knew I was being immature and handling the whole thing wrong, even felt like i was playing games on some level.

Then my wife said: So you want to play this game again, okay fine.

When she said it I felt something deja vu like, and then most significantly of all, I felt something like an energetic whirlwind move from her to me and then some how on some level I managed to send it back to her. But, it totally freaked me out.

This came from her under her breath, and to this day she insists she doesn't remember ever saying it. And, to be honest it doesn't sound like something she would say!

She got out of the car to go to work and I drove the car around all night freaked out....

Then there was this other time when we were both in bed together talking. The lights where out, it was pitch black, and I don't remember the conversation but I'll never forget what happens next. I reach out to her and she reaches out to me and I feel this weird jolt like some part of my being was separating from my body and reaching out for me. I feel a strange sensation through my eyes like they were...connecting to her eyes and a tingling sensation in my fingers like they were shooting static electricity out in the direction of her hands. To this day I have no idea what this was.

I know there is a lot of fantasy in this but there was something going on.

[Jahn]

Personally I've resigned myself to not try and help her with this. I've taken Lisa's mother as my petty tyrant, because she annoys me to distraction. Like I said before maybe if I grow Lisa will as well or maybe not.

My wife and me have identified a lot of her familys dysfunction. This help us to see some patterns and she resist many of the planted ideas that she was upbrought with. She have claimed "war" against such old agreements that would not encourage change and progress.

There is a possibility that your wife will feel more comfortable if you accumulate more power and gain integrity. Then things will work out smoother. However, it is not always a direct response. My wife was down and not so easy to connect with for about a year while I was doing miracles with our tonal. Now when she is "back" (and are more present and active) she can take advantage of my previous work and we are both in a better position as we can support each other equally.