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Jazz Virtuosos
« on: September 10, 2014, 10:59:47 AM »
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Oscar Peterson - piano
Joe Pass - guitar
NHO Pederson - bass
Martin Drew - Drums
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2014, 11:00:53 AM »
I'm not saying I necessarily enjoy this music ... just admiring of it.
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 10:55:13 PM »
Yes, good to see, but I've always found this kind of jazz hard to penetrate. One of my friends is right into it. I have some theories about it, to do with the concept of melody. In my view, if you repeat any sequence of notes, it becomes a melody - it kind of sticks in the ear. If you repeat it many times and build on it, then you have the standard song melody we are all familiar with.

What I found is that if you just repeat it once, the mind registers it differently to not being repeated at all. But the strange thing I subsequently found, is that if you focus on this concept of repetition of a phrasing of notes, to lift it into the mental classification of a melody, you can begin to add that melodic stamp to note phrasing even without repetition - it's a certain way of playing.

What this kind of jazz does, is to purposely avoid that melodic-making process altogether. To my ears, it takes on what I call the character of gratuitous notes. I could never understand the appeal of gratuitous note playing, but if you listen to jazz a lot, eventually you begin to understand what they are doing - it is a feeling over and above the specific playing. It is a rhythmic and emotional vibe, highly aligned with darkened smoky atmospheres and whisky.

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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 10:55:49 PM »
Betty Carter & Trio
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This I do enjoy - the drummer and pianist are smokin'.

Bruce Flowers - piano
Neil Caine - bass
Eric Harland - drums
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2014, 11:00:06 PM »
Yes, good to see, but I've always found this kind of jazz hard to penetrate. One of my friends is right into it. I have some theories about it, to do with the concept of melody. In my view, if you repeat any sequence of notes, it becomes a melody - it kind of sticks in the ear. If you repeat it many times and build on it, then you have the standard song melody we are all familiar with.

What I found is that if you just repeat it once, the mind registers it differently to not being repeated at all. But the strange thing I subsequently found, is that if you focus on this concept of repetition of a phrasing of notes, to lift it into the mental classification of a melody, you can begin to add that melodic stamp to note phrasing even without repetition - it's a certain way of playing.

What this kind of jazz does, is to purposely avoid that melodic-making process altogether. To my ears, it takes on what I call the character of gratuitous notes. I could never understand the appeal of gratuitous note playing, but if you listen to jazz a lot, eventually you begin to understand what they are doing - it is a feeling over and above the specific playing. It is a rhythmic and emotional vibe, highly aligned with darkened smoky atmospheres and whisky.

My problem with it is the guitar-playing. And I know this is blasphemy amongst musicians, for Joe Pass is famous for his "clean" 32nd notes. The guitar-playing is not part of the music somehow. I also don't care for the tone of his guitar -- again, heresy, I know: it just blends not at all with Oscar Peterson.

Interesting your points about the anti-melody: I'll have to ponder that.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2014, 11:02:58 PM by Nichi »
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2014, 11:37:12 PM »
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Terje Rypdal - guitar
Miroslav Vitous - bass
Trilok Gurtu - percussion

Note how the uploader put the song in the guitarist's name, and I put it in Trilok's, heh.

But I do enjoy the sound of the guitar, and the guitar does carry the melody.

It's all Trilok to me, though: love to watch him play.

The bass player, Miroslav Vitous, was in Weather Report in its first inception, and did not care for the rhythmic direction to which the band was going, epitomized by Jaco Pastorius. So Miroslav Vitous always seemed to me to have a chip on his shoulder.
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2014, 01:52:19 AM »
Nice piece.

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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2014, 04:12:57 PM »
Jo Jones (Papa Jo Jones)

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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2014, 12:48:49 PM »
Ella Fitzgerald & Oscar Peterson
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« Last Edit: November 03, 2014, 01:12:52 PM by Nichi »
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2015, 02:56:42 PM »
Bali Ha'i by Sarah Vaughan
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 08:27:26 PM »
Bali Ha'i by Sarah Vaughan
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I like this one. She has a very liquid delivery, despite missing a note, it is most enjoyable.

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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2015, 07:11:24 AM »
I like this one. She has a very liquid delivery, despite missing a note, it is most enjoyable.

Right, she did keep going flat on one of those notes. I think probably her range dropped in her later years. But yes, she's luscious. I can't believe I missed her all these years.
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2016, 07:57:13 AM »
Chucho Valdes and Paquito D'Rivera
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2016, 08:05:46 AM »
Bebo Valdes and Chucho Valdes (father and son)
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Not as flashy or high-powered as other performances --- I just really love to watch Bebo's hands.
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Re: Jazz Virtuosos
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2016, 08:09:54 AM »
Concha Buika and Chucho Valdes
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I've posted it before - but I thought it was a good demonstration of how the pianist can drive the song.
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