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Offline TIOTIT

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« on: May 05, 2008, 11:29:45 PM »
    *  The Observer,
    * Sunday May 4 2008

This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday May 04 2008 on p5 of the News section. It was last updated at 00:03 on May 04 2008.

Like a scene from Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds, large groups of ravens are flocking together to attack defenceless victims and eat them alive.

Throughout the country, farmers have reported a rise in the number of calves, lambs, and sheep pecked to death. Animals not killed have been left in agony as the birds eat their eyes, tongues and the soft flesh of their underbelly.

Farmers are demanding the right to destroy the protected birds, but the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds says it does not see any need for a change to legislation.

The birds - which have acquired mythical status over the centuries, with six being kept at the Tower of London with their wings clipped in case they leave and the kingdom falls - were almost exterminated in many areas during the 19th century. But in the past 20 years they have made a comeback, with colonies as far afield as Inverness, Devon and East Sussex.

'Raven attacks have become a huge problem across a wide area of the country,' said Johnny Hall, head of rural policy for the National Farmers Union of Scotland, which has been hardest hit. 'It's not just an issue with them taking lambs. We have substantial evidence of them attacking adult sheep and calves too. The attacks are so horrific that it's causing mental suffering to people who find the animals.'

Farmers in west Wales also say sheep have fallen prey to the growing raven population. 'The attacks on livestock are becoming a problem, but there's not a lot we can do about it,' said a spokesman for NFU Cymru
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Re: Ravens
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:12 PM »
It is strange to read about attacks on adult sheep whom ravens cannot possibly kill. It almost sounds like these birds are deliberately mean and want to cause pain.

On the more pragmatic note, I'd guess that ravens have become more numerous; thus, they are short on food and take it wherever they can.

We have had packs of stray dogs that attacked people (they even killed couple) and killed sheep, etc.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2008, 12:12:02 AM by erik »

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 11:42:42 PM »
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The attacks on livestock are becoming a problem, but there's not a lot we can do about it,'

listen to the ravens
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 11:37:09 AM »
with six being kept at the Tower of London with their wings clipped in case they leave and the kingdom falls

I found it strange to think that a Christian monarch (God save the Queen) would be keeping 6 ravens
to ensure the stability of the kingdom...sounds a bit like Pagan magic...

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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 09:49:45 PM »
I find it strange that humans would want to stop a bird from flying.
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That can't be creating good mojo.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 10:33:25 PM »
The Tower of London Raven Mythology?by Maev Kennedy, arts and heritage correspondent Monday November 15, 2004 The Guardian

The 1895 illustration from an RSPCA journal is this the first depiction of ravens at the Tower of London? As every school child knows, there have been ravens at the Tower of London since time immemorial, and if they ever leave, the monarchy and the tower of london itself will fall. The story is one of the most cherished of all the tower of london's many tales, and the current seven stalk about the grounds, glossy and pampered, very much as if they own the place - but it is not true. A historian has scoured the records for 1,000 years, and can trace the ravens back no further than the late 19th century.

Geoff Parnell, official Tower of London historian and a member of the Royal Armouries staff, is now convinced they are merely a typical piece of Victorian romance. Worse, at at least one point in the tower of london's comparatively history, Dr Parnell has found the blunt statement in the records "there are none left" - and yet the monarchy and the tower of london have more or less survived. A spokeswoman for Historic Royal Palaces, which runs the  Tower of London has a special ravens section on its website, swallowed hard and said firmly: "This is a very interesting piece of research, which adds to the history of the Tower of London.



So much of the appearance of the tower of london that we see today does date back to the Victorian period that it is quite appropriate that the ravens should be a Victorian legend." An American author, Boria Sax, who has also been hunting down the ravens, has reached the same conclusion: the birds are eminent Victorians, not Ancient Britons. However Dr Parnell has added another layer to the legend: his research suggests some ravens may have been a punning gift to the tower of londonby the Earl of Dunraven, an archaeologist and antiquarian fascinated by Celtic raven myths, who added ravens to his family coat of arms, or by his son the Fourth Earl.

The tower of london was definitely raven-less by the second world war, when some were killed in bombing raids, and others understandably pined and died of shock. The myth was already so powerful however, that when the tower re-opened to the public, on January 1 1946, at the heart of the ruined City of London, somehow ravens had been obtained and were back in place. Dr Parnell first became interested in the ravens story when working on an exhibition about the Tower of London menagerie, kept by generations of monarchs for at least 600 years until it became the foundation of London Zoo.

There were hawks, lions, leopards, monkeys and even a polar bear - but ravens were conspicuously absent. The full-blown version of the legend is that the ravens have been in the tower of london for centuries, possibly since Roman times. In the days of Charles II, his astronomer, John Flamsteed, complained that their chattering put him off his work, and the king ordered that they be destroyed - before being warned that dire luck would follow, for him and the tower. Instead he ordered that they should be fed and sheltered forever.

Tourists from all over the world cite the ravens as a major factor in their visit, second only to the Crown Jewels. The current batch, including Thor and Odin who arrived seven years ago from an Owl Sanctuary in the New Forest, have their own official food and accommodation budget, comfortable quarters by the Bloody Tower, and are cared for by a Yeoman Warder with the splendid title of Raven Master.

Some are excellent mimics: one can bark, and Dr Parnell is among many passersby startled by a deep voice saying "hello!" when there was no human being in sight. Each bird has one clipped wing, so they cannot fly far, but as many visitors have discovered they can walk very fast. One small girl last week was torn between thrill and terror when a raven the size of a small dog stalked up to her and calmly plucked her ham roll out of her hand, before retiring behind the barriers and the "caution, these animals can bite" warnings before neatly removing it from its plastic bag.



Despite their swaggering arrogance, once Dr Parnell was on their case their days as authentic living history were numbered. The earliest reference he found was 1895, in a piece in the RSPCA journal, The Animal World. One Edith Hawthorn referred to the tower of london's pet cat being tormented by the ravens, Jenny and a nameless mate. The article also had the first illustration of the ravens and the unfortunate cat - which Dr Parnell has just managed to buy on eBay.

Dr Parnell suspects the first ravens may have been pets kept by Yeomen or other staff: there was a craze for pet ravens after Edgar Allen Poe's poem in the 1850s. By 1903 they had acquired a sinister air: "In ominous proximity to the site of the Block the five pet ravens may be seen", Henry Thompson wrote. The Dunraven family may have stepped in after Jenny was left alone, after enraging her mate - she is recorded as shredding every nest he built - until he fled the tower. Dr Parnell has even tracked an old family firm, Philip Castang, now closed, which supplied animals to zoos or as pets - and operated for years a stone's throw from the Tower of London in Leadenhall Market.

In 1955 the manager wrote to Country Life saying he had "the order for the first Tower Ravens" framed and hanging on his office wall. Although Dr Parnell has interviewed the last owners of the firm, the former manager has died, and the order has disappeared. He yearns for the document to resurface, so he can add it to his growing collection on the true phony history of the Tower ravens.

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Re: Ravens
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 05:34:49 AM »
with six being kept at the Tower of London with their wings clipped in case they leave and the kingdom falls

I found it strange to think that a Christian monarch (God save the Queen) would be keeping 6 ravens
to ensure the stability of the kingdom...sounds a bit like Pagan magic...

It is only two, a couple, if that matters?

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 05:46:14 AM »
(God save the Queen)

-It is a fascist regime!
Sex pistols

That sort of input is just about more of "I do not like society - and I have a million reason to check out from it" ... eehh - are you a child, teenager rebellion or a mature man? How far is that "God save the Queen" going to take you? - While living here right now, what demons do you fight anyway? Just some questions from one that doesn't believe neither in anarchy nor monarchy.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2008, 05:48:11 AM by blue feather »

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 07:44:37 AM »

-Just some questions from one that doesn't believe neither in anarchy nor monarchy.


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