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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2006, 01:11:34 PM »
when you do it is up to you Ian, just that this weekend is good for me to give whatever help I can, but you choose what is best for you.

moon - the problem I find with full moons is that it is very bright, and personally I prefer darkness. In fact I prefer the moon to be down. But that may be just my personal preference, as I like complete darkness.

Exposed by the moon is close to being on stage, and better suited for action. The darker the more intimate. Spirits generally prefer to come out in winter and in dark, as a general rule - the more external the environment, meaning the more light and growth, then the more they are expressing themselves through the environment - when the environment retreats, it frees the spirits to detach and roam. But that also depends on the type of spirit we are talking about. I think the ones we are currently courting won't be affected by light, but you might be. you might feel more comfortable in shadow, when doing something not so normal.


I see...very good points.

I will have to see how I feel, and how much time I will have this weekend.

"As long as we confuse the myriad forms of the divine lila with reality, without perceiving the unity of Brahman underlying all these forms, we are under the spell of maya..."
 -Fritjof Capra, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2006, 09:12:51 PM »
I will send a message through anyway, and who knows it may last till you do your puja, but i have a sneaking sense that spirits have short memories for such things - still maybe not.

I have not covered well the controlled expression part of the ceremony. This part is where every one into this, in all cultures, really get a lot happening. I suggested a simple spirit attractor, but elaborate performances have been designed by people over the ages, and the best ones are highly specific to the spirit and the time of year - just to let you know ... something for research later on.

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2006, 12:56:16 AM »
I will send a message through anyway, and who knows it may last till you do your puja, but i have a sneaking sense that spirits have short memories for such things - still maybe not.

I have not covered well the controlled expression part of the ceremony.

This part is where every one into this, in all cultures, really get a lot happening.

I suggested a simple spirit attractor, but elaborate performances have been designed by people over the ages, and the best ones are highly specific to the spirit and the time of year - just to let you know ... something for research later on.

I was thinking for now I would use my voice.
Above in your statement it sounds like you are saying something very interesting, but I can not make out what cause the wording seems funny to me. I have placed in bold the area that I'm confused about, could you clarify ? I.e. what do mean by "gets" a lot happening? Not to nit pick just trying to get the idea here. I think you mean "has" a lot happening, but even there I'm still not so sure exactly what you are getting at.


oh, and I have ment to ask, was there a signifigance to the reversal of Ian into nai, in your first post?

« Last Edit: September 09, 2006, 01:36:35 AM by Ian »
"As long as we confuse the myriad forms of the divine lila with reality, without perceiving the unity of Brahman underlying all these forms, we are under the spell of maya..."
 -Fritjof Capra, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2006, 03:08:15 AM »
This part - the expression, is where anyone who is into the worship or increase of spirit, do their thing - the aboriginals of australia had fabulously powerful social structures built around their ceremonies. Yogi's in India will be seen making ritualised offerings with nothing in their hands, on the side of rivers and fires. Thus by the careful manipulation of the mind and body, we are able to make the walls thin, and we can look at them and they look at us. ie they get a lot happening.

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2006, 10:52:49 AM »
Thank you for clearing that up. I will be doing my puja this weekend sice you will be sending your help.  :)

You said you would send your message through. I get the whole interconnection of life thing. But, how? How do you send this message? That is how as in both the technique and the theory behind it, if you will of course please?

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The most important point, is that at the start of your ceremony, you should permeate the ceremony with your intention - we call this seeding.  Never let anyone who you are not absolutely sure you trust has real knowledge, seed such an experience for you.  Khadi is best.  Some special utensils, that are used solely for this purpose are a good aid, and prayers, invocations or whathaveyou.  We purify the experience we are about to have, then we ‘offer’ it to the pursuit of knowledge, such that what we perceive will in fact be true knowledge, and not fantasy. 

As you become accustomed to this - it can be done before any experience you are about to undertake (getting on a bus etc), you learn to very quickly condense your awareness to a pin point.  Still if you must blabber on, then by all means do it.  What happens after that is in the lap of the gods.

I know this is about the use of power plants but it does relate does it not?
I was pondering that if there is spirit in everything and nothing can be done except by the auspice of a spirit, then it stands that every day my life is unwittingly happening by the auspice of some spirit, possibly several spirits. So then it interests me to be aware of this interaction and take part in it willingly. There have been times when I thought that the spirit or a spirit had been saying hi or something, but I didn't know what to do. When I was a kid I used to watch the wind communicating with the trees and woundered if they really where communing (though I knew on some level it was true). Then if they are communing what is this communication....
Now the thought comes and can I partake in it!?!
I want to "see" the life in all things again....I've been far from my spiritual home.....
I think maybe that is what brought on this line of questioning to begin with.

How can one begin to incorporate himself into the interactions of the spirit world and bring all that back into the living of our day to day life? 

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they like helping, esp if you entertain them, and offer them the final doorway (i'll get to that bit).

And, this?

thanks for your help. love.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2006, 02:33:13 PM by Ian »
"As long as we confuse the myriad forms of the divine lila with reality, without perceiving the unity of Brahman underlying all these forms, we are under the spell of maya..."
 -Fritjof Capra, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2006, 09:09:45 AM »
I love this entire thread and have been looking forward to reading each of your posts on it. Its a wonderful flow that Ive not wanted to interupt.

I found this such a beautiful and ironic question.. I just couldnt help myself.

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How can one begin to incorporate himself into the interactions of the spirit world and bring all that back into the living of our day to day life? 


Your whispers will be granted by that very statement alone.. if you were standing here Id hug ya!

Silence within opens a gateway to another world..

Many blessings to you with your dance with spirit Ian, I hope you can find words for sharing later.

Love, Raven
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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2006, 09:11:58 AM »
Michael, your such a precious being for the work you do and share so beautifully with us. Thank you so dearly for all you are and share.

Much Love, Raven
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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2006, 12:23:33 AM »
You said you would send your message through. I get the whole interconnection of life thing. But, how? How do you send this message?


that is difficult to explain - i do it on the wind mostly. But I also can reach into your situation, sweep my hands through the trees around and call the denizens out, ask them to take note of your attempt.

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When I was a kid I used to watch the wind communicating with the trees and woundered if they really where communing (though I knew on some level it was true). Then if they are communing what is this communication....
Now the thought comes and can I partake in it!?!

to understand that you need to set yourself up in a tree, in a saddle or hammock, and join with the tree and wind ... then you will understand.

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How can one begin to incorporate himself into the interactions of the spirit world and bring all that back into the living of our day to day life?

by doing it ... its all about validation

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2006, 03:58:54 PM »
I returned about an hour an half ago. just saying hi. will talk more when I not tired. just wanted to say LOVE and thanks for your support...

will see what dreams may come  :-*
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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2006, 06:35:03 PM »
will see what dreams may come  :-*

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2006, 02:41:24 AM »


that is difficult to explain - i do it on the wind mostly.

Ha. Great mental picture.  Once I realized it was my Intent doing it, the trees and wind and all just seemed to call me as I brought their essence, their force into me.  Guess it probably was happening all the time and I just hadn't cleared my senses to it all.  It has to be as easy as smiling.  Maybe it's just an opening up or something that I realized.  It can be described many ways yet explaining it, for me, is almost impossible. 

I was in ceremony years ago and the old ones came out of the Virginia trees.  I was shocked that I was not frightened by them.  I think that might be a key, just accepting things around me, letting the flow happen. 

But I don't know if a person can try to do it.  Does that make sense?

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2006, 12:24:35 AM »

A shadowy figure approached me in a dream a couple of days before the ceremony.
 
The shadowy figure came to collect on debts that I perceive I owe.....

I was in my living room where I was sleeping. This dream encouraged the next. In both all I saw were simple objects, like platonic solids, but the perspective was what held the significance. The figure was not seen in the second dream.

In the two dreams the first perception was coated with superfluous concerns, attachments, and worries. In this dream everything was dark. The other dream was brighter, colors were apparent, and everything was thought of as a tool to aid on the path. --

The day before the ceremony I dreamt of beings on the outside of a circular pool of water. The water was glowing, and flowing down through the center of the pool into another pool of water below. The beings where waiting for me. They also seemed to be using the pool for some sort of gazing. The pool had a very inviting refreshing ambience. Somehow I felt by going to the woods I was going to that pool. The pool also represented this forum. I believe that pool is also a part of me…

There was a dream, after the ceremony, in which several beings, saying something in seeming gibberish, pointed out a part of the park near the woods. There was some big straw totem that they were pointing at, and they seemed to be worshiping at it. The totem was so big it obscured the baseball diamond it was positioned by. I got the idea that maybe they where going to set the straw totem on fire. I wrote down what they had said but I don’t know if it is appropriate for me to share the gibberish yet or at all.

The day of the ceremony I was planning to share my intent with the spirits late in the day, but then I saw a sign. I saw and heard several Eagles flying in the distance outside my house. I went outside to get a closer look, and all flew out of view except one. This one flew in the direction of my house then off in the distance behind it. I left to fallow and when turned the corner I could not see the Eagle so I sat down and waited. The Eagle eventually returned, as I hoped it would if this was indeed a sign, and the Eagle flew in the direction of the woods. Eventually the Eagle flew into the brightness of the sun, I lost track of it when I walked under a tree, but by then I was most of the way to the woods so I went all the way. 

There was something I felt during this walk. Something about my surroundings, they seemed alive, in agreement, cheering me; they seemed very jovial; it was like several happy eyes watching….

As for the ceremony, I went to the woods Sunday night. I used my voice as the spirit catcher. My spot was right by one of the biggest trees in the area. I spent about 2 hours, if I remember correctly. What I enjoyed the most was the sounds I heard. The crickets where amazing. And, this one bird…I wish I could figure out what kind of bird it was, but I heard it near my house a couple of nights afterwards. When I recall now the sound gets associated with my present sensations and feelings, there is resonance.

I can’t be sure if I saw any spirits. I feel like I know, “somehow”, what spirits are now.
 
I saw several combinations of shadow, and light while I was out there, but the “feeling” wasn’t right.
Maybe I just was not connected enough to the part of me that “feels”, this is the truer answer.

Pondering these things I keep coming back to the sounds I heard…so beautiful. On pondering the sounds I saw an image of myself in my minds eye. Crystal clear and transparent; impressions could come through me, central channel clear.….

There had been other dreams of significance, but these are the key dreams, though the other dreams take on new significance as I ponder and review.

The ceremony also brought various other subconscious issues to the surface. 
There are more insights to be gleamed but enough for now;

Michael do you have any further advice? Maybe the bit about offering them the final doorway?
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 -Fritjof Capra, The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism

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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2006, 12:25:40 AM »
Michael, your such a precious being for the work you do and share so beautifully with us. Thank you so dearly for all you are and share.

Much Love, Raven

ditto  ;D
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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2006, 12:28:30 AM »

But I don't know if a person can try to do it.  Does that make sense?

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Yes, unfortunatly everything makes sense to me.  ;)
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Re: Calling Spirits (Michael)
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2006, 08:59:34 AM »
well done Ian, I haven't more to say just now, except this is your journey, the dreams and experiences, you are now on your journey in spirit - this is the most precious thing we can have in life. this is your personal connection, your doorway.

rest, reflect, absorb, digest, then move further on your track again.

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