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Offline Jennifer-

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Hope
« on: December 01, 2008, 12:50:25 AM »
A friend of mine recently wrote this article- well said, I thought Id share it here..

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Most of us have always looked at hope as a good thing. We hope for a better world, a better relationship, a new TV, a new car, a partner, better behaved kids. The list is endless when it comes to what we hope for.
 

But hope is of the future. It takes us out of the present moment and puts us into the place of wanting something better. Hope is saying, “This moment isn’t good enough. I need something more to make me happy, loved, peaceful, content.”


We spend a lot of our lives living in either the past, reliving our experiences or in the future, hoping for better ones. When we live this way, we are not being present in this moment to enjoy all that it has to offer.


Take a look at this moment. Is there anything wrong in this moment? Most likely you will find nothing wrong. The suffering comes from taking ourselves out of this moment and putting ourselves into the past or future.


When we hope, we are looking for something outside of ourselves to make us feel better. “I hope I get that new job. I can make more money.” “I hope my husband doesn’t come home drunk so we can have a nice evening.” “I hope my children do well in school so I can be proud of them.”


Looking at what is behind the hope is a good way to be aware of what we feel we are lacking within ourselves, that causes us to move out of the present moment and into the future.


The future holds a great promise, but when we get that new job or our children do well in school, does it really make us happier within? Does it last?
 

This moment is as good as it gets. If we are not happy in this moment, it is a good time to look inside and change the belief that is telling us our happiness lies in the hope of something in the future.


Being aware of the need behind the hope can help us to connect with the belief that is fueling our desire for something that looks better in the future.


When we remain in the moment, we have no need for anything outside of what we are feeling within ourselves. We can connect to the happiness, love, peace, contentment and joy of living in the present moment.


This week, take a look at any time you find yourself hoping for something better. “I hope this day doesn’t drag on.” “I hope I’m not late for work this morning.” “I hope that I can pay the bills this month.” Look at any time you are wishing for things that you feel might make your life better. And when you do recognize this, bring yourself back into the present moment and ask yourself, “Is there anything wrong in this moment?”


Have a beautiful, happy and joyful week living in the present moment where all dreams, hopes and desires already exist.

B. 2008

Without constant complete silence meditation - samadi - we lose ourselves in the game.  MM

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Re: Hope
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 04:40:49 AM »
That article was a good reminder to be here and now. The trick though as I see it is to both have a desire for what to manifest in the future and be completely happy with the situation today.
 
For example I personally know many women that would like to manifest a intimate relationship with a man. To have a steady relation with a man that they love are their primary desire (we do not use the term hope). Now such a man will not manifest in their lives unless these women took some significant action. What I can see is that few of  them are not able to fully embrace life in their single position while a few others advance on their path and can embrace life regardless of being single. So it is not always simple.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2008, 04:42:24 AM by Jamir »

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 05:12:26 AM »
be completely happy with the situation today.

That's probably one of the most tricky things to accomplish. I remember Michael saying a long time ago that most of us here are simply outraged by what is happening in the world and how we, humans, are destroying what sustains us. That's a good thing - a sign of not being dead, a sign of maybe being able to open the eyes and look at what is being done to nature, to living beings, to self - without blinking.

Another matter is to be happy about it.

One can really shift into that hearty wishing good for everyone (that's what Buddhists do), one can simply close one's eyes and live in wishful thinking and selective perception (New Age), or one can close one's eyes again and submit to that omnipresent collective dream again (people we know who have stopped in their tracks).

I would guess that the whole scenery with all these horrors wrecked all over us looks different in the context of the big picture. Yet reaching the frequencies where one can really see the big picture, and to sustain the frequency...

I hope the writer of the story quoted by Windsong sees it all as it is, to the smallest detail, and is still able to stay happy.
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Re: Hope
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 06:53:01 AM »
That's probably one of the most tricky things to accomplish. I remember Michael saying a long time ago that most of us here are simply outraged by what is happening in the world and how we, humans, are destroying what sustains us. That's a good thing - a sign of not being dead, a sign of maybe being able to open the eyes and look at what is being done to nature, to living beings, to self - without blinking.

Another matter is to be happy about it.

One can really shift into that hearty wishing good for everyone (that's what Buddhists do), one can simply close one's eyes and live in wishful thinking and selective perception (New Age), or one can close one's eyes again and submit to that omnipresent collective dream again (people we know who have stopped in their tracks).

I would guess that the whole scenery with all these horrors wrecked all over us looks different in the context of the big picture. Yet reaching the frequencies where one can really see the big picture, and to sustain the frequency...

I hope the writer of the story quoted by Windsong sees it all as it is, to the smallest detail, and is still able to stay happy.

Dear Juhani, you are not there yet ... to take the World on your shoulders. No matter how updated you are in these matters. Your first priority should be, from my simple perspective of the Raven, to embrace life and live it in full joy. That is a very honorable and spiritual approach and would keep you content even if the sky fall down (one of my personal worst scenarios what could happen ;D ).

The World or the Humanity, no matter if being on the edge of self-destruction and collapse - it is not your case per se, it never was. Even if the current development has some significance to your professional role, it do not apply direct to you as a being on growth. Better to find a personal treasure that can propel you to the airport in the air where we are waiting,a place that I mentioned to you some months ago.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 07:22:57 AM »
Dear Juhani, you are not there yet ... to take the World on your shoulders. No matter how updated you are in these matters. Your first priority should be, from my simple perspective of the Raven, to embrace life and live it in full joy. That is a very honorable and spiritual approach and would keep you content even if the sky fall down (one of my personal worst scenarios what could happen ;D ).

The World or the Humanity, no matter if being on the edge of self-destruction and collapse - it is not your case per se, it never was. Even if the current development has some significance to your professional role, it do not apply direct to you as a being on growth. Better to find a personal treasure that can propel you to the airport in the air where we are waiting,a place that I mentioned to you some months ago.

Don't we all set our individual goals?
I've set mine - seeing it all and not blinking comes with it. Seeing as much as possible actually is embracing life and living fully. It is also part of embracing the world. At the end of the day, one must look at what he embraces, doesn't he? :)

Don't get me wrong, Jahn, I keep in mind the words of DJ that the world is utterly perfect in its own right. Our views and opinions do not concern it. And so it is - even now, when all these ugly things are happening and might happen to litterally any of us.

I have seen glimpses of that perfection, but not yet the big thing. Instead of trying to take the world on my shoulders, I'm learning to see it in its totality. Yet, even the partial realisation of how perfect the world is (including everything that happens in it, and to oneself), changes one's mindset for good.
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Re: Hope
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 10:20:37 PM »
awareness ...

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 10:47:31 PM »
awareness ...

Most precious of all treasures.

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Re: Hope
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 04:52:28 AM »
Don't get me wrong, Jahn, I keep in mind the words of DJ that the world is utterly perfect in its own right. Our views and opinions do not concern it. And so it is - even now, when all these ugly things are happening and might happen to litterally any of us.

Time speeds up. What we see is the fruits from seeds that were planted many centuries ago and our inheritance from when the ego started to control man and his business which is many thousand years ago. In one of the theories I've read about mans evolution or the time space continium for mankind it is described as a spiral where we move inward. That means that every lap will take less and less time to finish.
 


I have seen glimpses of that perfection, but not yet the big thing. Instead of trying to take the world on my shoulders, I'm learning to see it in its totality. Yet, even the partial realisation of how perfect the world is (including everything that happens in it, and to oneself), changes one's mindset for good.

There are surely a series of insight along the way, these total switches in perception is rare occasions if not impermanent and drug induced. I had one such little realisation through my eyes when I visited Dallas five years ago. I went to the Second Floor museum where they have the exhibition about the assasination on John F Kennedy. We got one of these taperecorders and earphones and could then walk around at the different stations.

I was utterly fascinated, not only that I had my own memory of this tragic event as a child - when the "King" died. I was also well aware about what trauma it was for the US and the political change that followed with L B Johnsson which was like  to turn back the clock and then get the nation stranded in Vietnam some seven years later. At that little museum I could study photos and films in detail and also read a little about some late plot theories. I had seen the JFK movie so I knew a bit.

Then when I watched a set of photos from the president arrival at the airport and the first turns on the street with the car. Then I saw the faces in the crowd that stood along the road and suddenly I felt how unreal or rather unsharp that it all was. In my whole awareness I was there back 40 years ago, I knew the look on people because they looked mostly the same here by that time. But it was like to see a shoal of fish, that is my best description, the whole city was only minutes about to experience one of the most discussed and worldwide known political assasinations but I couldn't get the photo enough sharp before my eyes. Something was missing but I could not put my finger on it. I was there in Dallas 1963 but yet not there, the crowd was there but not sharp enough, they didn't keep still, had curved contours, like they moved in small moves so the picture got unsharp while it wasn't. The photos were black and white and time would not change the pixels that much, yet I saw something that put me in another awareness.

Back at the hotel when I later tuned in to that particular sensation at some of these photographs it hit me that I had probably seen the event from "above", from a non organic view, from the astral. It must have been that different angle that gave me that funny distance and loss of normal perception when I had stared at a couple of the photos.
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Re: Hope
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 11:49:53 AM »
I don't know how accurate these facts are I guess the
main ones would be easy to google,if they are mostly
correct it's quite curious...

History Mystery



     Have a history teacher explain this----- if they can.



Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head

Now it gets really weird.

Lincoln 's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln .

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln , was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.



John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln , was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.



Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called ' Lincoln ' made by 'Ford.'

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
And here's the kicker...

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe , Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monro

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Re: Hope
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2008, 10:00:30 PM »
I've been thinking a lot on hope the last couple of days and I think I've got it sorted out.

There may be different types of hope.
Hope as desire, as in hoping for something, hoping toward a goal.  I hope I get a job.
Hope as wishful thinking, again as a desire for something,  I hope I get that raise.  I hope he asks me out. 

And the kind of hope I am speaking of is a state of being, an inner light that fans the flame, a spark that allows you to know that whatever you want to do or be can be acheived, so long as you put your heart and soul into it.

It isn't momentary or attached to things, but it's like a silent partner, holding your hand and gently nudging you forward.


hope (hp)
v. hoped, hop·ing, hopes
v.intr.
1. To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment.
2. Archaic To have confidence; trust

I hope I effectively explained my point of view, here.
 ;)
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Re: Hope
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2008, 08:40:51 AM »
That's precisely the kind of hope/illusion that has been criticised and you seem to be unable to give up.

On the contrary!
I am  able to give up anything I want to give up Juhani. 
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Re: Hope
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2008, 09:45:41 AM »
On the contrary!
I am  able to give up anything I want to give up Juhani. 
 ;D


Hope     

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.

 
Emily Dickinson

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Re: Hope
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2008, 11:33:45 AM »
Aaah, beauty!

Thank you woflheart!
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Re: Hope
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2008, 05:18:50 PM »
hope as a state of being - yes a good insight Lori.
problem is that we pin words on things, moods or abstracts like pinning the tail on the donkey.

it is important to speak of the thing, not the word.

what you speak of could also be called optimism, or self-confidence, or self-esteem.
or even hubris if overweening.

were we to dig deeper, beyond merely a personality trait, we would use the word will.

in which case we would be saying, one's store of hope is sufficient for the task.

but it would seem to me to be pushing that word beyond it's common boundaries. when I see a person who, as you say, has strong light, then yes, that person naturally inspires hope in those around. but that does not mean the person's light comes from what she herself would call hope.

rather it is as if that light can be felt in the currency of hope, but actually, it may not in itself be hopeful of anything - in fact it may come from the renunciation of desire, renunciation of projection.

I feel you are ascribing a poetic meaning to the word hope, and as such, it could be misinterpreted, as it's common usage is in 'hope for...'

I recall the photo of a young man taken before WWII in Germany, who was inspired by a socialistic zeal - he was a member of the German Communist party, and one could see in him the uplifting mood of one who had ideals and felt they were not just worthwhile, but in a 'whole-of-being' way, achievable.

The second photo of him was after he had been released from the Soviet Gulag some 20 years later - he had first been imprisoned and tortured by the Nazi's, then imprisoned by Stalin's mob and survived by some miracle. The second photo was of a broken man. He had no 'hope' left, in your terms. Yet he had survived, I thought to myself, and that must have taken something extraordinary.

But it was not a pretty picture nonetheless. It was not of bitterness, but certainly there was not a scrap of 'hope' left. Still, there he was, alive. I was deeply affected by those two photos.

Lets do a little exercise. Think of something we would dearly wish to have, and adopt the certitude within, that it is not only achievable, but imminent - like the night before Christmas for a child who knows what's under the tree. Then strip away the object of that anticipation. Just feel the mood alone, devoid of any externals.

Like recalling the feeling you had of being in love with someone, before it turned sour. Then just hold that feeling, removing it completely from the person who inspired it in the first instance.

A good exercise, but actually, it's not how I arrive at my inner joy - it is different, it is still anticipatory in some non-descript way. And as such inherently instable, inherently vulnerable.

Now compare it with the feeling of wanting absolutely nothing, expecting absolutely nothing, assuming absolutely nothing - feel what it would be like to live in a world that was completely devoid of all meaning.

How does that make you feel?

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Re: Hope
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2008, 06:38:59 PM »
Free.

 

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