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Samsara
« on: May 01, 2009, 01:39:21 PM »
Samsara
by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
   
Source: Transcribed from a file provided by the author.
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Samsara literally means "wandering-on." Many people think of it as the Buddhist name for the place where we currently live — the place we leave when we go to nibbana. But in the early Buddhist texts, it's the answer, not to the question, "Where are we?" but to the question, "What are we doing?" Instead of a place, it's a process: the tendency to keep creating worlds and then moving into them. As one world falls apart, you create another one and go there. At the same time, you bump into other people who are creating their own worlds, too.

The play and creativity in the process can sometimes be enjoyable. In fact, it would be perfectly innocuous if it didn't entail so much suffering. The worlds we create keep caving in and killing us. Moving into a new world requires effort: not only the pains and risks of taking birth, but also the hard knocks — mental and physical — that come from going through childhood into adulthood, over and over again. The Buddha once asked his monks, "Which do you think is greater: the water in the oceans or the tears you've shed while wandering on?" His answer: the tears. Think of that the next time you gaze at the ocean or play in its waves.

In addition to creating suffering for ourselves, the worlds we create feed off the worlds of others, just as theirs feed off ours. In some cases the feeding may be mutually enjoyable and beneficial, but even then the arrangement has to come to an end. More typically, it causes harm to at least one side of the relationship, often to both. When you think of all the suffering that goes into keeping just one person clothed, fed, sheltered, and healthy — the suffering both for those who have to pay for these requisites, as well as those who have to labor or die in their production — you see how exploitative even the most rudimentary process of world-building can be.

This is why the Buddha tried to find the way to stop samsara-ing. Once he had found it, he encouraged others to follow it, too. Because samsara-ing is something that each of us does, each of us has to stop it him or her self alone. If samsara were a place, it might seem selfish for one person to look for an escape, leaving others behind. But when you realize that it's a process, there's nothing selfish about stopping it at all. It's like giving up an addiction or an abusive habit. When you learn the skills needed to stop creating your own worlds of suffering, you can share those skills with others so that they can stop creating theirs. At the same time, you'll never have to feed off the worlds of others, so to that extent you're lightening their load as well.

It's true that the Buddha likened the practice for stopping samsara to the act of going from one place to another: from this side of a river to the further shore. But the passages where he makes this comparison often end with a paradox: the further shore has no "here," no "there," no "in between." From that perspective, it's obvious that samsara's parameters of space and time were not the pre-existing context in which we wandered. They were the result of our wandering.

For someone addicted to world-building, the lack of familiar parameters sounds unsettling. But if you're tired of creating incessant, unnecessary suffering, you might want to give it a try. After all, you could always resume building if the lack of "here" or "there" turned out to be dull. But of those who have learned how to break the habit, no one has ever felt tempted to samsara again.
"A warrior doesn't seek anything for his solace, nor can he possibly leave anything to chance. A warrior actually affects the outcome of events by the force of his awareness and his unbending intent." - don Juan

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Re: Samsara
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2009, 01:41:51 PM »
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Re: Samsara
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2009, 10:26:52 PM »

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Re: Samsara
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2015, 08:17:19 PM »
Samsara is a concept I contemplate quite a bit these days.
Partially, it is due to my intensive engagement with the world - the choice I made last year. I take an active part in shaping what is known as our daily "reality". On the other hand, doing what I do allows me to see in great detail the inner workings of that "reality". In other words, I have entered a fast track of Samsara.

Being there poses one with multiple challenges, while one of the most esoteric ones is about being in Samsara and continuing the build-up of inner freedom. Playing to the fullest the game of cause-and-effect, and yet - removing oneself from that unshakeable chain of cause and effect.

It is an impossible task - create causes for effects, but remain unperturbed by these effects. Thus, it is an enquiry about the nature of these effects that keep a person in endless Samsara. Emotions, feelings, thoughts, conditions that dictate one's next steps in line with one's moral considerations (Michael how about the poison of DJ's approach?  :) ) and so on.

What traps one in Samsara? Effects of one's actions - created Karma, unprocessed Karma, or one's inability to see things and circumstances for what they are, where they originate from, and act respectively?

Exiting Samsara is the task, but it needs to be understood very deeply.

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Re: Samsara
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2015, 09:22:19 PM »
Yep, that's the game we are in. Not in the cave, and not in the market, but in both at the same time.

What you have described Juhani, is what I see as the new religion. The new path. And there is little precedence for it in our tradition - ie Melchizedek.

My personal view is that one must exit the market, and spend time in the cave, to establish the core connection first. Then, upon re-engagement with samsara, a royal battle begins to hold fast to the inner freedom gained. And yet, play the most significant part possible - to our utmost as if the fate of existence itself depended upon our actions.

This is a huge issue, and I'll have to resist. But without DJ's poison, we would be lost. It is that serious, that only the most egregious poison can stand against the power of the world.

I can't see it ending. I met a man today I used to engage with in my work connections, and he is now retired. His actions are no longer significant to the world, yet of course they still bind. But he is cut adrift from responsibility in a broader sense. He looks relaxed and 'happy'. Says he loves retirement. Personally, I can't see myself ever retiring from the effort to take an active part in shaping what is known our daily "reality". And that to my utmost potential - I am not alive to be a passenger.

And yet... it is all for nothing ultimately, in that my secret purpose is freedom: to come and go without a trace.

How do we put these two together? I can verify, it is not easy.

This morning, on our hill climb, Julie and I had an argument about the Buddhist principle of compassion. She is reading this stuff presently, and had engaged in the progression of exercising compassion: from self, to loved ones, to daily contacted people, to those we dislike, to those we despise. I said that it was similar to my view on the 'gift to one who has harmed us' principle. Compassion is a gift, I argued, but she could not extend that to a physical gift which told the offender we agreed with their offence. I explained, that such a view re-bound us to the emotional/psychological chain to our offender. The point was to break that chain, by giving them a gift. Not any old gift, but one in which we knew the meaning of the gift - that it was severance, through not-doing, of our emotional enchainment.

The same principle applies to our involvement with samsara. Our intense engagement is our gift of emancipation. What we hold back, keeps up bound. It is no ordinary gift of engagement, it is a knowing gift, within which our unconditionality secures our freedom. This is why DJ said that their actions with CC were not an investment - they were a free gift, to which they fulfilled themselves to their maximum. The gift must be free, through which we purchase freedom - now, is that an enigma or not?

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Re: Samsara
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2015, 11:13:14 PM »
...beyond the wildest dreams.  :)

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Re: Samsara
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2015, 06:19:06 PM »
But one continual problem, as you suggest, is how we get hooked into our engagements. This is only natural, in that we enjoy to see a good outcome, and require to see an effective outcome in order to modify our actions if they are ineffective. The consequence of this is an unavoidable pull - like we are leaning forward in anticipation, impatient to see the consequences of our efforts. If you sit quietly, you can feel that pull in the solar-plexus.

I've thought about this often along the way, although it is a wise practice to maintain unaffected equilibrium continuously throughout our engagement, in practice this is not sufficiently achievable. In deed I see not problem with immersion with samsara as part of our appropriate engagement.

The only answer is to periodically disengage, and retrieve our centre. This can be done as we walk between engagements - slow down and practice being-here-now while retrieving our awareness that we could die at any moment, and we are ready for that. Also to practice those specific things which our heart loves, and which automatically set up a shield to the 'pull'. Lastly, we have to dedicate periodic space for meditation, where we connect directly to our inner being.

But I also hold to the practice of dramatic disengagements in powerful shifts away from our habitual preoccupations.

 

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