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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #405 on: January 17, 2015, 11:18:09 PM »
What hurts you, blesses you.
Darkness is your candle.
Your boundaries are your quest.
I can explain this, but it would break
the glass cover on your heart,
and there’s no fixing that.


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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #406 on: January 29, 2015, 11:18:49 PM »

Playfully, you hid from me.
All day I looked.

Then I discovered
I was you,

and the celebration
of That began.

- Lalla
14th Century North Indian mystic



From "Naked Song"
Versions by Coleman Barks
Maypop 1992


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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #407 on: February 12, 2015, 03:54:40 AM »
Streaming

By Hakim Sanai
(1044? - 1150?)
English version by Coleman Barks
 

When the path ignites a soul,
there's no remaining in place.

The foot touches ground,
but not for long.

The way where love tells its secret
stays always in motion,
and there is no you there, and no reason.

The rider urges his horse to gallop,
and so doing, throws himself
under the flying hooves.

In love-unity there's no old or new.
Everything is nothing.
God alone is.

For lovers the phenomena-veil is very transparent,
and the delicate tracings on it cannot
be explained with language.

Clouds burn off as the sun rises,
and the love-world floods with light.

But cloud-water can be obscuring,
as well as useful.

There is an affection that covers the glory,
rather than dissolving into it.

It's a subtle difference,
like the change in Persian
from the word "friendship"
to the word "work."

That happens with just a dot
above or below the third letter.

There is a seeing of the beauty
of union that doesn't actively work
for the inner conversation.

Your hand and feet must move,
as a stream streams, working
as its Self, to get to the ocean.
Then there's no more mention
of the search.

Being famous, or being a disgrace,
who's ahead or behind, these considerations
are rocks and clogged places
that slow you. Be as naked as a wheat grain
out of its husk and sleek as Adam.

Don't ask for anything other
than the presence.

Don't speak of a "you"
apart from That.

A full container cannot be more full.
Be whole, and nothing.

 
   

The Hand of Poetry: Five Mystic Poets of Persia, with Lectures by Inayat Khan, Translated by Coleman Barks
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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #408 on: May 30, 2015, 09:58:27 AM »
Waking

By Kalidasa
(350? - 430?)

English version by W. S. Merwin & J. Moussaieff Masson

 

Even the man who is happy
          glimpses something
          or a hair of sound touches him

          and his heart overflows with a longing
                    he does not recognize

then it must be that he is remembering
          in a place out of reach
          shapes he has loved

          in a life before this

          the print of them still there in him waiting

 
   

-- from East Window: Poems from Asia, Translated by W. S. Merwin
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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #409 on: June 30, 2015, 12:30:09 AM »
An Ottoman Ghazal by Na'ili (d. 1666)
Translated from Ottoman Turkish by Walter Feldman


Note: A strong ghazal creates challenges to interpretations, riddles, paradoxes, shifting perspectives, and a build up of poetic tension. An explanatory afterword follows this translation, discussing some of the questions raised and explaining the various allusions it employs.

We are the snake and in the staff in Moses' hand we're hidden
Say not snake, but rather ant and under foot we're hidden

He won't see us in the mirror, though we're also his reflection,
To the vision-of self-praising intellect we're hidden

Although we are contained in the eye of Majnun, yet
We are the charm of beauty and in Leyla's cheek we're hidden

Were it even powdered diamonds no salve would take effect
We are that scar of madness—in its black core we're hidden

In Sinai or the burning bush Moses cannot see us;
In the flaming face of Divine Epiphany we are hidden

We are the ailment for which our healthy madness is the cure;
We are love and in passion's secret chamber we are hidden

We are the false chessman in your hand, oh double-dealing Fortune
In the thousand glances of an instant we are hidden

Oh Na’ili it's we who form enchanting images from the word.
Though we appear in words in the heart of meaning we are hidden.

© Walter Feldman


Afterword:
Among the allusions employed in this poem are the following: The Qur’anic story of Moses and the Pharaoh includes the magic power placed by God in the staff of Moses; the intellect or heart as a polished mirror reflecting reality or the image of God; Majnun and Layla as archetypal lovers; the search by doctors, alchemists, and herbalists for a cure for love; God’s epiphany before in the burning bush, and later in more dramatic form when Moses asks to sees God’s face, God reveals it instead to a mountain near Moses and the mountain is obliterated; the role of the heavenly spheres and fate in determining destiny and the condition of lovers; interplay between artistic and verbal expression and the secret, interior meaning; and the power of the poet’s words to cast a spell.

The final verse includes the feature, common to Persian, Turkish, and Urdu ghazals, known as takallus, in which the pen-name of the poet, whose persona had been the speaker in the poem, is addressed in the third person, apparently by some other speaker. The takallus provides each ghazal with a twist, vital to the impact of the poem as a whole.

The poem presents a complex riddle: who are “we?” The answer shifts from verse to verse, and even from half-verse to half-verse. The “we” is powerful, then abject, at times human, at times perhaps divine (hidden in the burning bush in which God appeared to Moses). In Islamic tradition, “we” can be used as a royal or polite plural (similar to Victorian English, as exemplified by Queen Victoria’s famous response to a joke she did not appreciation, “We are not amused.” In the Qur’an, “we” commonly refers to Allah. The poet can refer to himself as “we,” or to the beloved through either the singular or plural forms of “you,” and the shift between singular and plural can create subtle registers of intimacy.

The Persian, Ottoman, and Urdu ghazal tradition employs a radif, a complex set of rhymes at the end of each verse difficult to reduplicate in English.  Radif involves not only a rhyme at the end of each verse, but a scheme of rhymes extending often into the last syllable of a word before the major rhyme word. This translation, by Walter Feldman, provides an unusually effective reflection of the radif in the expression “we’re hidden” by fitting it into a complex chain of rhythm, sound effects, and changes in syntax through each of the verses.


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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #410 on: August 05, 2015, 07:11:40 AM »
"I shall grasp the soul's skirt with my hand
and stamp on the world's head with my foot.
I shall trample Matter and Space with my horse,
beyond all Being I shall utter a great shout,
and in that moment when I shall be alone with Him,
I shall whisper secrets to all mankind.
Since I shall have neither sign nor name
I shall speak only of things unnamed and without sign.
Do not delude yourself that from a burned heart
I will discourse with palette and tongue.
The body is impure, I shall cast it away
and utter these pure words with soul alone."

(Farid ud-Din Attar)
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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #411 on: September 15, 2015, 04:12:41 PM »
Somehow, by very nature, I feel we have to be haunters of the night - seekers of that which lies beyond the darkness.

There are many living things out there, frolicking in the night. And they are happy to be seen, though they aren't used to it.
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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #412 on: September 15, 2015, 04:13:19 PM »
"Word Fog"

Words, even if they come from
the soul, hide the soul, as fog

rising off the sea covers the sea,
the coast, the fish, the pearls.

It's noble work to build coherent
philosophical discourses, but

they block out the sun of truth.
See God's qualities as an ocean,

this world as foam on the purity
of that. Brush away and look

through the alphabet to essence,
as you do the hair covering your

beloved's eyes. Here's the mystery:
this intricate, astonishing world

is proof of God's presence even as
it covers the beauty. One flake

from the wall of a gold mine does
not give much idea what it's like

when the sun shines in and turns
the air and the workers golden.

-- Ghazal (Ode) 921
Rumi
Version by Coleman Barks, with Nevit Ergin
"The Glance"

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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #413 on: September 15, 2015, 04:14:26 PM »
"Story-Water"


A story is like the water
you heat for your bath.

It takes messages between the fire
and your skin. It lets them meet,
and it cleans you!

Very few can sit down
in the middle of the fire itself
like a salamander or Abraham.
We need intermediaries.

A feeling of fullness comes,
but usually it takes some bread
to bring it.

Beauty surrounds us,
but usually we need to be walking
in a garden to know it.

The body itself is a screen
to shield and partially reveal
the light that's blazing
inside your presence.

Water, stories, the body,
all the things we do, are mediums
that hide and show what's hidden.

Study them,
and enjoy this being washed
with a secret we sometimes know,
and then not.

-- Poetic version by Coleman Barks
"The Essential Rumi"

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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #414 on: September 28, 2015, 03:05:06 PM »
The Circle Around the Zero

A lover doesn't figure the odds.

He figures he came clean from God
as a gift without a reason,
so he gives without cause
or calculation or limit.

A conventionally religious person
behaves a certain way
to achieve salvation.

A lover gambles everything, the self,
the circle around the zero! He or she
cuts and throws it all away.

This is beyond
any religion.

Lovers do not require from God any proof,
or any text, nor do they knock on a door
to make sure this is the right street.

They run,
and they run.


-- Version by Coleman Barks
"Feeling the Shoulder of the Lion"
Threshold Books, 1991

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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #415 on: October 07, 2015, 06:33:45 PM »
For a moment I saw a beautiful moving river.
Then a vast water with no means of crossing it.

For a moment, I saw a bush full of opening buds.
Then no roses, no thorns, nothing.

For a moment I saw a busy cooking fire.
Then no hearth, no smoke, no flame.

I saw the great mother of kings, Kunti.
Then, the next moment, sitting here, is
the helpless old aunt of the potter's wife.

- Lalla
14th Century North Indian mystic

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From "Naked Song"
Versions by Coleman Barks


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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #416 on: November 16, 2015, 04:44:13 PM »
Friend, this is the only way

By Sachal Sarmast
(1739 - 1829)
Sufi, Pakistan
English version by Ivan M. Granger
 

Friend, this is the only way
to learn the secret way:

          Ignore the paths of others,
          even the saints' steep trails.

                    Don't follow.
                    Don't journey at all.

Rip the veil from your face.

 
   

from The Longing in Between: Sacred Poetry from Around the World (A Poetry Chaikhana Anthology), Edited by Ivan M. Granger
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Re: Saints & Mystics
« Reply #417 on: February 10, 2016, 06:08:33 AM »
I saw a wise man dying of starvation.

Leaves fall in the slightest
wind in December.

And I saw a wealthy man beating his cook
for some mistake with the spices.

Since then, I Lalla, have been waiting
for my love of this place to leave me.

- Lalla

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Re: Saints & Mystics
« Reply #418 on: June 11, 2016, 08:45:43 AM »
Holy Sixth Day


Holy sixth day
in the woods they worship the
trees then
then my heart beats hard
at how far I was going into
the woods
a snake appeared in front of me
and I fell down
I started writhing and rolling
this way and that way
my dress fell off
my hair burned along
my back
thorns scratched me
everywhere
suddenly who am I
who was I
how I
love those celebrations

 

Govindasvamin

I encountered something today on the Goddess Shashti, worshiped in West Bengal. The description said this:
In the Bengal region, Shashthi is worshiped as a goddess of birth and protector of small children. She is identified by the babies she holds and her yellow-colored skin, and particularly by the cat that is her vehicle and complement. Women worship her if they wish to become pregnant, and on the sixth day after a child is born. Calcutta, c.1880.

Just wondering what significance the "Sixth Day" holds in Hinduism...



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Re: Saints and Mystics
« Reply #419 on: August 19, 2016, 05:20:04 AM »
For those who have Awareness,
a hint is quite enough.
For the multitudes of heedless
mere knowledge is useless.

    - Haji Bektash Veli
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