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What in the World are they Spraying?
« on: May 28, 2010, 03:08:06 AM »
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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2010, 03:12:09 AM »
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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2010, 03:19:13 AM »
When David W. Keith, a physicist and energy expert at the University of Calgary in Alberta, gives lectures these days on geoengineering, he likes to point out how old the idea is. People have been talking about deliberately altering climate to counter global warming, he says, for as long as they have been worrying about global warming itself. As early as 1965, when Al Gore was a freshman in college, a panel of distinguished environmental scientists warned President Lyndon B. Johnson that carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from fossil fuels might cause “marked changes in climate” that “could be deleterious.” Yet the scientists did not so much as mention the possibility of reducing emissions. Instead they considered one idea: “spreading very small reflective particles” over about five million square miles of ocean, so as to bounce about 1 percent more sunlight back to space—“a wacky geoengineering solution,” Keith says, “that doesn’t even work.”

In the decades since, geoengineering ideas never died, but they did get pushed to the fringe—they were widely perceived by scientists and environmentalists alike as silly and even immoral attempts to avoid addressing the root of the problem of global warming. Three recent developments have brought them back into the mainstream.

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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2010, 03:21:04 AM »
Key Concepts

    * Many scientists now support serious research into “geoengineering,” deliberate actions taken to slow or reverse global warming.
    * Of the various geoengi­neering proposals, the ones that shade the earth from the sun could bring about the most immediate effects. But all of them have drawbacks and side effects that probably cannot be anticipated.
    * Pumping sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, as volcanoes do, is the most well established way to block the sun. Other proposals call for brightening clouds over the oceans by lofting sea salt into the atmosphere and building a sunscreen in space.

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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2010, 03:27:17 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2010, 04:07:05 AM »
The modern concept of geoengineering (or climate engineering) is usually taken to mean proposals to deliberately manipulate the Earth's climate to counteract the effects of global warming from greenhouse gas emissions. The National Academy of Sciences defined geoengineering as "options that would involve large-scale engineering of our environment in order to combat or counteract the effects of changes in atmospheric chemistry." [1]  IPCC (2007) concluded that geoengineering options, such as ocean fertilization to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, remained largely unproven.[2]  It was judged that reliable cost estimates for geoengineering had not yet been published.

Geoengineering accompanies mitigation and adaptation to form a 3-stranded 'MAG' approach to tackling global warming, notably advocated by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers.[3] Some geoengineering techniques are based on carbon sequestration. These techniques seek to reduce greenhouse gases in the atmosphere directly. These include direct methods (e.g. carbon dioxide air capture) and indirect methods (e.g. ocean iron fertilization). These techniques can be regarded as mitigation of global warming. Alternatively, solar radiation management techniques do not reduce greenhouse gas concentrations, and can only address the warming effects of carbon dioxide and other gases; they cannot address problems such as ocean acidification, which are expected as a result of rising carbon dioxide levels. Examples of proposed solar radiation management techniques include the production of stratospheric sulfur aerosols, which was suggested by Paul Crutzen,[4] space mirrors, and cloud reflectivity enhancement. Most techniques have at least some side effects.

 Field research into sulfur aerosols has also started.[8] Some commentators have suggested that consideration of geoengineering presents a moral hazard because it threatens to reduce the political and popular pressure for emissions reduction.[9] Typically, the scientists and engineers proposing geoengineering strategies do not suggest that they are an alternative to emissions control, but rather an accompanying strategy.[10] Reviews of geoengineering techniques have emphasised that they are not substitutes for emission controls and have identified potentially stronger and weaker schemes

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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2010, 04:09:56 AM »
Creating stratospheric sulfur aerosols deliberately is a proposed geoengineering technique which offers a possible solution to some of the problems caused by global warming. However, this will not be without side effects   and it has been suggested that the cure may be worse than the disease.

Effect on climate

It has been established that emission of precursor gases for sulfur aerosols is the principle mechanism by which volcanoes cause episodic global cooling.[14][citation needed]

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change AR4 regards stratospheric sulfate aerosols as having a low level of scientific understanding.

The aerosol particles form a whitish[3] haze in the sky. This creates a global dimming effect, where less of the sun's radiation is able to reach the surface of the Earth. This leads to a global cooling effect. In essence, they act as the reverse of a greenhouse gas, which tends to allow visible light from the sun through, whilst blocking infra-red emitted from the Earth's surface and its atmosphere. The particles also radiate infra red energy directly, as they lose heat into space.
[edit] Effects on light transmission through the atmosphere
Solar radiation reduction due to volcanic eruptions

All aerosols both absorb and scatter solar and terrestrial radiation. This is quantified in the Single Scattering Albedo (SSA), the ratio of scattering alone to scattering plus absorption (extinction) of radiation by a particle. The SSA tends to unity if scattering dominates, with relatively little absorption, and decreases as absorption increases, becoming zero for infinite absorption. For example, sea-salt aerosol has an SSA of 1, as a sea-salt particle only scatters, whereas soot has an SSA of 0.23, showing that it is a major atmospheric aerosol absorber.

Aerosols, natural and anthropogenic, can affect the climate by changing the way radiation is transmitted through the atmosphere. Direct observations of the effects of aerosols are quite limited so any attempt to estimate their global effect necessarily involves the use of computer models. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, IPCC, says: While the radiative forcing due to greenhouse gases may be determined to a reasonably high degree of accuracy... the uncertainties relating to aerosol radiative forcings remain large, and rely to a large extent on the estimates from global modelling studies that are difficult to verify at the present time.[15] However, they are mostly talking about tropospheric aerosol.
[edit] Effect on ozone

The aerosols have a role in the destruction of ozone[4] due to surface chemistry effects.[16] Destruction of ozone has in recent years created large holes in the ozone layer, initially over the Antarctic and then the Arctic. These holes in the ozone layer have the potential expand to cover inhabited and vegetative regions of the planet, leading to catastrophic environmental damage.

Ozone destruction occurs principally in polar regions,[17] but the formation of ozone occurs principally in the tropics.[18] Ozone is distributed around the planet by the Brewer-Dobson circulation.[19] Therefore, the source and dispersal pattern of aerosols is critical in understanding their effect on the ozone layer.
[edit] Effect on sky appearance
Turner was inspired by dramatic sunsets caused by volcanic aerosols.

Aerosols scatter light, which affects the appearance of the sky and of sunsets. Changing the concentration of aerosols in the atmosphere can dramatically affect the appearance of sunsets. A change in sky appearance during the year without a summer (attributed to the eruption of Tambora) was the inspiration for the paintings of J. M. W. Turner. Further volcanic eruptions and geoengineering projects involving sulfur aerosols are likely to affect the appearance of sunsets significantly,[20] and to create a haze in the sky.
[edit] Effect on the biosphere

Aerosol particles are eventually deposited from the stratosphere onto land and ocean. Depending on the volume of particles descending, the effects may be significant to ecosystems, or may not be. Modelling of the quantities of aerosols used in likely geoengineering scenarios suggest that effects on terrestrial ecosystems from deposition is not likely to be significantly harmful.[21]
[edit] Geoengineering
Main articles: Geoengineering and Stratospheric sulfur aerosols (geoengineering)

The ability of stratospheric sulfur aerosols to create this global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in geoengineering projects to limit the effect and impact of climate change due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.[22][23] Delivery of precursor gases such as H2S and SO2 by artillery, aircraft and balloons has been proposed.[citation needed]

Understanding of this proposed technique is partly based on the fact that it is the adaptation of an existing atmospheric process.[24] The technique is therefore potentially better understood than are comparable (but purely speculative) geoengineering schemes. It is also partly based on the speed of action of any such solution deployed,[25] in contrast to carbon sequestration projects such as carbon dioxide air capture which would take longer to work.[2] However, gaps in understanding of these processes exist, for example the effect on stratospheric climate and on rainfall patterns,[1] and further research is needed.[26]

This technique has been studied more extensively than most other geoengineering techniques, and is suggested by commentators including Tom Wigley.[2]

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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2010, 04:11:57 AM »
Subject: Could Aluminum, Barium and Other Substances from Stratospheric
Aerosol Geo-Engineering Programs be Destroying Eco-Systems around the World?



By Michael J. Murphy - BLN Contributing Writer

Could Aluminum, Barium and Other Substances from Stratospheric Aerosol
Geo-Engineering Programs be Destroying Eco-Systems around the World?

What would you do if you were told that toxic substances being sprayed into
the sky are falling to the ground and decimating eco-systems around the
world?   This very claim, made by concerned citizens outside the American
Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting last month in San
Diego, sparked my interest to investigate further.

The AAAS meeting hosted several top geo-engineering scientists who gathered
to discuss the "plausibility" of implementing various geo-engineering
programs throughout the world.  One of the options addressed was the
stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering (SAG) , AKA chemtrail program, where
scientists discussed the "plausibility" of spraying aerosol aluminum, barium
and other particles into the sky to block the sun as a means to "reduce" the
Earth's temperature.   When asked specifically about the potential risks
associated with using aluminum in the program as an aerosol, scientists
replied by stating that they have not studied much about the risks
associated with aluminum and added that something terrible could be found
tomorrow that they haven't looked at.   When probed further about the
deployment of existing aerosol programs, the scientists stated that no
aerosol spraying programs have been deployed to date.

The concerned citizens I met outside the meeting were claiming quite the
opposite.  They came in protest after witnessing airplanes that they believe
are regularly spraying aerosols into the upper-part of the sky.  Many from
this group have tested and found extremely high levels of aluminum, barium
and other substances in their soil, rain, water and snow.  Ironically, the
substances that they reported finding are the same substances the scientists
are "considering" implementing in the various aerosol spraying programs
discussed at the meeting.  They also believe that these substances are
leading to the destruction of eco-systems and are coming from already
deployed SAG programs.   Due to the severity of this issue and my desire to
know the truth, I was led to Shasta County in the Northern part of
California to investigate not only the claims of what is being reported in
the sky, but also claims of what is in the rain, water, snow and soil from
what many residents are saying is the result of SAG programs.

The first stop on this trip led me to Dane Wigington's beautiful 2000 acre
property overlooking Lake Shasta.  As we toured his breath-taking land, he
pointed to multiple trails that blanketed the sky.  He claimed the trails
are present on most days above Northern California.   Wigington referred to
this as a "moderate spraying day".  Like many other residents in Shasta
County, Wigington moved to the area to get away from the heavy pollution of
Southern California that he grew up with as a child.  His dreams of living
off the land and becoming one with nature are now coming to a grinding halt
as he is focusing his time and energy on the issue of geo-engineering.

Wigington became concerned about SAG when he began to notice dramatic
changes in the solar power that he uses to supply his home and property.
Owner of one of the largest residential solar systems in Northern
California, he began to notice very high declines in solar power.  It can be
decreased by as much as 60 percent on what he calls "heavy spraying days".
Wigington said, "The trails are literally blocking the sun".   He also went
on to say that he regularly samples the fine dust layers on top of his solar
panels and other outdoor surface areas and frequently finds very high levels
of aluminum and barium.  Wigington believes that these are a product of SAG
programs.

At the same time as finding decreased solar power, Wigington also began to
witness dramatic changes on his property as the trees, grass, insects and
wildlife started dying.  This led him to get his first rain test just four
years ago.  The results were shocking as they found aluminum levels at 7
ug/l or 7 parts per billion.  Although aluminum can be found around the
world in smaller quantities, geo-hydrologists told him that this number was
quite high.  Since that time, he has had aluminum tests escalate as high as
50,000 percent to 3,400ug/l.  That is literally toxic rain. These results
prompted him to get additional pH tests from two USDA soil scientists which
yielded more shocking results.  The pH of the soil was 6.6 in one area and
7.4 in another.  This is over 11 times the normal alkalinity of the soil
which should be in the range of 5.0 to 5.5.  It is important to note the
tests were taken in the forest far removed from any highway or industry.

When asked what these changes can do to the ecosystem, Wigington replied by
saying that it is devastating.   He went on to say, "if this continues, we
can only expect to see things get much worse.  Not only are we seeing our
trees dying here, but also a major decline in our wildlife and fish".  As a
matter of fact, Wigington stated that according to The National Oceanic
Atmospheric Administration, the salmon run, once seen in abundance in this
area has declined from 769,868 in 2002 to 39,530 in 2009.  That is over a 90
percent decline.  Amazingly enough, this decline started occurring about the
same period of time when residents began to see a dramatic increase in what
they believe to be SAG programs. Wigington's efforts to get these issues and
test results addressed has been largely ignored by government agencies and
officials.

After a closer look at Wigington's property, my initial awe of the beauty
and breath taking views led to sadness, frustration and anger over the
contamination that is literally destroying the eco-system.  This led me to
investigate further by seeking an expert in biology.  I packed up the car
and headed north to the breathtaking town of Mt. Shasta.   Mt. Shasta has
been known for its beauty, clean air and as being the source of water for
some bottled water companies.  Many travel from around the world to mountain
climb and vacation in this beautiful part of Western America. 

Francis Mangels, BS in Forestry, Masters in zoology and a retired soil
conservationist and wildlife biologist who worked for the U.S. Forest
Service for over thirty five years, welcomed me into his beautiful home in
the town of Mt. Shasta to discuss the "hidden" crisis that is occurring.
Mangels alerted me to the rapid decline of fish in the nearby rivers and
streams. Mangels brought me to a nearby creek that had an abundant supply of
fish just a few years ago.  Because the primary diet of the fish in the
creek is aquatic insects, he performed a standard sample method to measure
the amount of insects present.  The samples he had performed before the
alleged aerosol spraying campaign had yielded an average of 1000 aquatic
insects. Our sample yielded only 31. This is over a 96% decline from samples
taken just a few years ago.  Mangels stated that because the fish live off
of the insects, they are literally starving.  This rapid decline is likely
due to changes in the chemistry of the water.  The only changes that Mangels
is aware of are the dramatic increases of aluminum, barium and strontium
which he believes is from SAG programs.

We also took time to test the pH of nearby soil and snow which contained
over 10 times the alkalinity of the normal pH.  Mangels has evidence that
this drastic change in pH is also due to the massive increases of aluminum.
He stated that forests, fields and farm ecologies thrive in acidic soils.
Aluminum acts as a buffer that increases alkalinity and can decimate
ecologies in large amounts. Mangels also pointed out that snow on Mt. Shasta
was tested and sent to the Environmental Protection Agency (E.P.A.) who
found results that contained 61,100 ug/l or parts per billion of aluminum
and 83 ug/l of barium.   The normal amount of aluminum in the snow at Mt.
Shasta is 0.5 ug/l.  Drinking water allowable is 50ug/l.  That means that
the snow on Mt. Shasta has tested at 1200 times more poisonous than water
standards allow for aluminum.  Mangels said, "Mountain climbers that come
from around the world are drinking the poisonous water from the snow on the
mountain". Mangels went on to say that government action is required at just
1000 ug/l of detected aluminum.  Although he alerted several government
agencies of these findings, no governmental action has been taken to date.

Mengels brought me to several other locations around the town of Mt. Shasta
where he tested the soil, rain, water and snow that also yielded tests that
revealed the pH to be over ten times the normal alkalinity.  He went on to
say that these types of changes in soil, water and snow are very uncommon
except in other areas around the world where people have been witnessing
what many believe to be spraying from SAG programs.  Mengels also stated
that these changes have produced an "ecological crisis" and will have
horrible consequences if continued.  Mengels said, "Losses to our economy
will be incredible and are on their way as we speak.  Tree growth will be
decreased which will result in the loss of logging jobs.   It is also
causing the decline of naturally occurring plant and grass growth that
occurs in the normally acidic soils of grazing pastures, resulting in the
demise of our grazing industry, fishing industry, and worst of all, basic
agriculture in Northern California." 

What is amazing is that these tests and many others throughout the world are
largely being ignored by the very governmental entities that are required to
address them.   Some politicians, like Mt. Shasta City Council member Ed
Valenzuela may choose to ignore the issue. Valenzuela was made aware of the
mass contamination at a city council meeting where he stated that the city
did not want to sample the water for aluminum because the request was a "can
of worms" that would, "open a Pandora's box" that the city would have to pay
for. Although several local citizens volunteered to pay the $22.00 cost of
the test at an EPA lab, both Republican Committee Chairman Russ Porterfield,
and Valenzuela voted no to having the water tested.  The mayor Stearns
wanted the test, but was overruled by a 3-2 vote. This response is not
uncommon as Mengels has presented this issue and his scientific data to over
15 local and federal agencies including Senator Feinstein and Senator
Boxer's office.  To date he has received no response or action.

Is it a coincidence that the substances found in the rain, snow and soil in
this region and around the world match the exact substances that scientists
are "considering" implementing in various geo-engineering campaigns
throughout the world? If not, then why have agencies and officials largely
ignored these findings that are destroying our planet's eco-system?  Could
it be that officials are fearful of exposing a massive cover-up of a
world-wide ecological crime? Or is it the belief that this issue is simply
too large and too complicated a problem for them to tackle?  Whatever the
reason for this ignorance, we need to demand that our questions and shocking
test results get addressed not only in Shasta County, but in every part of
the world. Our future on this planet is dependent on this issue being
addressed.

Because this movement has come under attack from those who appear to be
protecting the many political and corporate interests associated with SAG,
it is essential that all of us around the world get involved by testing the
rain, snow, soil and various outdoor surfaces and reporting the results to
our elected officials and local environmental agencies.  We must also reach
out and educate all those involved with SAG who might be unaware of the
environmental implications associated with their programs.  Testing for pH
changes and metals is simple and can be performed almost anywhere at a
nominal price.  Simple testing instructions and more information about
geo-engineering programs can be found on the internet at
www.geoengineeringwatch.org .

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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2010, 04:14:03 AM »
April 7, 2010: Michael J. Murphy / Infowars.com – April 6, 2010

Could a ban of transparent reporting at the Asilomar Conference be an attempt to cover-up world-wide contamination from Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-Engineering (SAG) Programs?

Geo-engineers gathered once again near Monterey California at the Asilomar International Conference on Climate Intervention Technologies meeting to develop norms and guidelines for what they say will be “controlled experimentation” on geo-engineering the planet. While many claim that stratospheric aerosol geo-engineering (SAG), aka chemtrail programs are in full-scale deployment, organizers of this meeting showed a lack of transparency by either denying or holding reporters to a high set of rules which limited what information was brought to the attention of the public. While we might never know how much information from the conference was suppressed in articles and reports, we do know some of the information that was not included. The issue of current SAG deployment and the use of aluminum in these programs seemed to be missing from reports and articles that came out of the conference.

Mauro Oliveira, webmaster of GeoEngineeringWatch said that aluminum became a concern to many after the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) meeting when independent journalists sent shockwaves around the world after breaking the story of scientists discussing the plausibility of spraying 10 to 20 mega-tons of aluminum into the sky in SAG campaigns. Francis Mangels, a retired USDA/USFS Biologist commented on the use of aluminum by saying, “although aluminum is an abundant element, it does not exist naturally in the environment in free form. Dispersing massive amounts of ultra-fine aluminum particulates as proposed by geo-engineers into the stratosphere would have unquantifiable human health and environmental impacts”. When scientists were asked about the risks associated with the use of aluminum sprayed as an aerosol in SAG programs, they admitted that they have only begun to research aluminum and have published nothing. They also admitted that something terrible could be found in the future that they don’t know about. Also, when asked about deployment of current programs, scientists denied that any SAG programs have been deployed. This contradicted the findings of many who claim that SAG programs are well under-way and that high amounts of aluminum and other harmful substances from these programs are being found resulting in the devastation of eco-systems and the health of people around the world.

Like the AAAS meeting, the Asilomar geo-engineering conference hosted some of the world’s leading geo-engineers, environmental groups and scientists who gathered to discuss various issues relating to SAG. Unlike the AAAS meeting, reporters were either denied attendance or set to a high standard of rules which included a ban on daily reporting, quoting, and recording anything from the meeting without the consent of presenters. Stewart Howe was one of the reporters denied access into the conference. Howe helped break the story about aluminum when he was sent to the AAAS meeting in San Diego to report for Infowars. He feels that he was denied access because of this and his reporting of evidence that suggests SAG programs are in full-scale deployment. Howe said, “due to the devastating effects of aluminum and world-wide claims of current deployment, transparent reporting of this could devastate the entire SAG agenda compromising billions of dollars in contracts.” He went on to say that it was apparent that this meeting had no intentions of being transparent.

Whereas many reporters were denied access to this event, some “privileged” journalists did have the opportunity to attend. Although some of the articles about the conference appeared to be critical of geo-engineering, they largely ignored the use of aluminum and other serious issues that could have impacted or changed the damaging components of the SAG agenda. Due to their agreement to the strict, non-transparent guidelines of the conference, the reporting journalists not only helped keep some of the meeting secret, they also helped hide the fact that geo-engineers are “planning” to use aluminum in SAG programs. Some articles were also falsely written stating that geo-engineers are planning on using sulfur in the various SAG campaigns. This contradicts articles written by some reporters who attended the AAAS meeting and quoted scientists as stating that they initially considered using sulfur for the program; however, aluminum is more effective and will be the ingredient considered for use. To date, scientists have not corrected the journalists who falsely reported the use of less damaging sulfur instead of harmful aluminum as being an ingredient for SAG programs.



et’s look at this issue a little more closely. People from around the world are witnessing white trails behind airplanes and believe them to be a product of SAG programs that scientists deny exist. People are also reporting test results of high amounts of aluminum, barium and strontium in their snow, rain and soil where the alleged spraying is occurring.

These are the exact substances that scientists are “considering” implementing into the various SAG programs discussed at the AAAS meeting. Shockwaves were sent around the globe after the AAAS meeting because of reports that led many to believe that the destruction of eco-systems and the massive amounts of aluminum found in the snow, rain and soil are in fact from SAG programs that have already been deployed. As a result of these reports, many around the world are asking questions about the current deployment and the dangers of using aluminum in these programs. And finally, journalists are restricted from reporting certain facts from this conference that could be damaging to the SAG agenda.

Could transparent reporting of certain facts threaten the current and future deployment of SAG programs around the world? Could denying independent reporters the freedom to openly report on this meeting be an attempt to cover-up allegations that SAG programs are in full-scale deployment and are also destroying eco-systems around the world with the use of aluminum? Is it possible that the reporters who were allowed into this meeting were invited for the purpose of protecting the corporate and political interests of those involved with SAG programs? What would the political and monetary implications be for those who have vested interests in SAG if the larger public was made aware of the multiple environmental and health effects of spraying mega-tons of aluminum into our environment? Whatever the reason for this lack of transparency and denial of information, we the public need to hold both reporters and scientists to a higher degree of professionalism, transparency and ethical consideration when it comes to these and other issues of public interests. The future of our health and environment is dependent upon it. More information and videos on the subject of geo-engineering/chemtrails can be found on my blog at http://truthmediaproductions.blogspot.com/ .

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2010, 05:49:56 PM »




You see a lot of this in Southern California.
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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 07:36:39 PM »
Not every sky trail is spraying.

On a good day, when the moisture content is just right, and the air is clear and pristine, planes will naturally leave a vapour trail across the sky which turns to cloud.

When you see this, so long as you know it isn't spraying, then you know you have a high shakti day.

There is a belief afoot that I have spoken of before, that these vapour trails are actually the CIA seeding nano particles into the air for humans to breath so that the CIA can keep track of the thoughts and emotions of humans. I think we can be sure that is crap, but one day, you never know...
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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2010, 10:16:09 PM »
Not every sky trail is spraying.


The researchers and activists have noted the differences between contrails and chemtrails.  A contrail dispurses. A chemtrail spreads into cloud cover and sometimes has fallout (cob-web like filaments, red/yellow powders, milky-white fluid).



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There is a belief afoot that I have spoken of before, that these vapour trails are actually the CIA seeding nano particles into the air for humans to breath so that the CIA can keep track of the thoughts and emotions of humans. I think we can be sure that is crap, but one day, you never know...

Well personally I am not okay with being sprayed with aluminum,  barium,  strontium or any other metal,  no matter the reason.  All three are highly toxic even in  small amounts. 

Strontium:

dental caries,  nausea, abdominal spasms, headaches, skin irritation, swollen glands, fainting, memory problems, diarrhea,
difficulty breathing, rickets, blood clots, headaches, or seizures.  Additional caution is required by those with kidney problems, have a history of venous blood clots, or have an intolerance to aspartame

Barium  Used as rodenticides.
The soluble forms of barium salts are rapidly absorbed into the blood from the intestinal tract.
Those barium compounds that dissolve well in water may cause harmful health effects in people. Ingesting high levels of barium compounds that dissolve well in water over the short term has resulted in

* Difficulties in breathing * Increased blood pressure * Changes in heart rhythm * Stomach irritation * Brain swelling * Muscle weakness * Damage to the liver, kidney, heart, and spleen.

Aluminum
can be absorbed into the body through the digestive tract, the lungs and the skin, and is also absorbed by and accumulates in the bodies tissue.
Alzheimer’s disease and osteoporosis. Colic, rickets, gastrointestinal problems, interference with the metabolism of calcium, extreme nervousness, anemia, headaches, decreased liver and kidney function, memory loss, speech problems, softening of the bones, and aching muscles


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Re: What in the World are they Spraying?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2010, 10:56:42 PM »
The nano particle conspiracy is not chemicals - they are ultra tiny computers that get inside your body and send information back to the evil empire.

We don't have chemtrails here - when they spray paddocks, they do it very close to the ground.

I have seen many vapour trails - usually they disperse very fast, but on a good day, they form a strip of cloud that lasts for hours.

I'm not sure I could distinguish between these and chemtrails, unless I lived in an area where they did it. They don't even seed clouds for rain in Aust, although they can do it, and have done, but it's very rare ... and expensive - I think they use silver.

It is easy to tell a vapour trail, because it comes from airliners - they start from one point on the horizon and travel straight across to the other point - we see these planes when there are no trails. It is all part of being under a flight path. These planes are travelling from Sydney to Singapore. Very high up in the sky.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2010, 11:01:18 PM by Michael »

 

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