Topic: The Deceptions of the Ego in Looking for Spirituality

[nemo]

re-read what i said knot, u will see we are in agreement.

[Michael]

I cannot tell weather my ego has been fully tamed or weather it is in full force and needs work.

Hello CherryArc, and welcome to Restless Soma.
What you say here is absolutely true - what is the ego? How do I know if I have a rabid ego or just a nicely-fitting one? When we look inside, which part of what we perceive is the 'ego'.

Firstly, we are not really speaking of the ego as defined by the likes of Jung and Freud. It is too difficult to get into that. The word has taken on a popular meaning derived from the word egotism: the quality of being excessively conceited or absorbed in oneself. As a rule of thumb, it has to do with constantly thinking about how we present to others and how others behave towards us. If you constantly think about what other people think about you (called 'looking in the rear-vision mirror') then you have an ego problem from a spiritual perspective (not from a common social world perspective).

Nemo gave a good example, but actually, it can be very difficult to know, because the ego has a clever way of disguising itself. While we live in familiar surroundings, the ego sits in power because it has spent years arranging everything and everyone to suit its requirements. It's not until we venture into unfamiliar surroundings, that the ego becomes exposed. Its tell-tale indicators are our host of likes and dislikes, all the little things which upset us. It is seen in how we respond to annoyances, our attitudes to how others should behave, and whether we are susceptible to disgust - basically, how we deal with unpleasantness.

The next best level of ego estimation, is our ability to stand outside ourselves - to have the emotional freedom to watch ourselves from outside, rather than be continually trapped in the cockpit of our focus. In fact, we don't really 'stand' outside, so much as transfer our perception from one point to another, but that is a bit more complicated to explain.

[Endless~Knot]

re-read what i said knot, u will see we are in agreement.

Ok I reread, Sorry I interpreted a bit differently but see it now.

[CherryArc]

Hello CherryArc, and welcome to Restless Soma.
What you say here is absolutely true - what is the ego? How do I know if I have a rabid ego or just a nicely-fitting one? When we look inside, which part of what we perceive is the 'ego'.

Firstly, we are not really speaking of the ego as defined by the likes of Jung and Freud. It is too difficult to get into that. The word has taken on a popular meaning derived from the word egotism: the quality of being excessively conceited or absorbed in oneself. As a rule of thumb, it has to do with constantly thinking about how we present to others and how others behave towards us. If you constantly think about what other people think about you (called 'looking in the rear-vision mirror') then you have an ego problem from a spiritual perspective (not from a common social world perspective).

Nemo gave a good example, but actually, it can be very difficult to know, because the ego has a clever way of disguising itself. While we live in familiar surroundings, the ego sits in power because it has spent years arranging everything and everyone to suit its requirements. It's not until we venture into unfamiliar surroundings, that the ego becomes exposed. Its tell-tale indicators are our host of likes and dislikes, all the little things which upset us. It is seen in how we respond to annoyances, our attitudes to how others should behave, and whether we are susceptible to disgust - basically, how we deal with unpleasantness.

The next best level of ego estimation, is our ability to stand outside ourselves - to have the emotional freedom to watch ourselves from outside, rather than be continually trapped in the cockpit of our focus. In fact, we don't really 'stand' outside, so much as transfer our perception from one point to another, but that is a bit more complicated to explain.

This brings me a lot of clarity. I remember a point once where I was very concerned about these type of things. But although most things do not bug me any more, I operate almost as if from a set of morals sometimes, I do not know where dealing with petty tyrants fits in, but sometimes I will not be angry about something, but I will deliver justice as it were, just because it should be done. I also find I look back on situations and Social occurrences stand out as not, how to describe it, the best decision made or I did not act impeccably. So I find I look back on those occurrences to assess them under the guise of impeccability. Because I want to learn from those instances. I feel like I want to hit all the green lights, instead of hitting a few reds as it were.

[Kal]

I feel like I want to hit all the green lights, instead of hitting a few reds as it were.

I like that. I think I get what you mean.

[nemo]

I had another insight to explain this.

The ego is very emotion and mind based, calculating and prone to manipulation both ways, and is insecure.  (first attention intent based)

The observer is heart based, and is the medium for acts of power, and assuredness.

A balanced being bridges these, and the first attention intent fades in importance.

[Endless~Knot]

I had another insight to explain this.

The ego is very emotion and mind based, calculating and prone to manipulation both ways, and is insecure.  (first attention intent based)

The observer is heart based, and is the medium for acts of power, and assuredness.

A balanced being bridges these, and the first attention intent fades in importance.

Yes! I definitely feel at the mercy of emotions with the go. But with the double I feel the heart, which feels more different. Like a whole different ball game.

[Michael]

I do not know where dealing with petty tyrants fits in

Yes it does fit in, but actively taking on a petty tyrant is an advanced technique - more for the adventurous among us. Still requires considerable ground work first. Nonetheless, petty tyrants can be employed just for practising patience and tolerance, as they abound in our normal life, and this is excellent for knocking the sharp edges of our ego. One of the hardest tasks is handling the attacks on us from others. Knowing how to not get offended, and yet knowing how to take offence actively - inner freedom from the emotional whammies, and effective response. This is something we learn though effort and experience over many years, but it absolutely relies upon our ability to regard ourselves in the third person.

[runningstream]

Great timing on this topic , i have been rattled for a few days by an incident . I am not sure if correct , yet i will say , in the establishing of a peaceful space or balance , sometimes it feels something or somebody will make a bid for us "it" or our peace .
The most beautiful times can be interrupted by intense disturbances , which have contrasted and abruptly shake that peace.
Being caught off gaurd .
A response i notice was one of a closed stance " digging heels in " when confronted with an seeming absurd emotional accostament.
This leads to a situation of tension which makes for " make or break" usually on my emotions and bodily state .
and leaves no room for movement having esablished the seeming stage for which the following act to play out .
Damn triggers too quick .
We can be caught in seeing , obseredly elsewise , or acting off balance . And the balance being struck to ignite action from a more panoramic avanue .

[Michael]

A response i notice was one of a closed stance " digging heels in " when confronted with an seeming absurd emotional accostament.
This leads to a situation of tension which makes for " make or break" usually on my emotions and bodily state .
and leaves no room for movement having esablished the seeming stage for which the following act to play out .
Damn triggers too quick .

I know exactly what you mean - it happens to me, and I feel it rising up inside me. It is a real skill to pull out into the observation position, and ask, "What on earth are you doing?" Except that seems so limp, when being thrust forward in the heat of the moment into a really outrageous reaction delivers a delicious sense of satisfaction, usually regretted for a long time afterwards.

[Michael]

'The idea that people who don't know enough also don't know enough to realise that they don't know enough ("Dunning-Kruger effect" is so much simpler to get your tongue around) isn't particularly new.

Bertrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

Even earlier, Charles Darwin, in The Descent of Man in 1871, stated "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when incompetent people not only perform a task poorly or incompetently, but lack the competence to realize their own incompetence at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. Put more crudely, they're too stupid to realize they're stupid.'

This is the very case of our egos.

[runningstream]

I really need to say , lol .
Thanks that made me laugh

[Kal]

Off topic I know
here though is the Oracle report for today
(I thought it 'll add beauty)



Monday, July 29, 2013

Third Quarter Moon Phase - Moon in Taurus - Ruling Mahavidya: Shodashi

It has been an interesting and unprecedented month with Kali and four other Mahavidyas sharing the reigns at various times. Today, Shodashi takes center stage, working toward bringing what is in our highest and best desire. Her energy is the most playful of all of the Mahavidyas; she is ever-youthful; and she stirs us to see and create beauty. Shodashi's span is vast and she is able to work at such far-reaching levels due to the assistance of Matangi - The Administrator. Shodashi and Matangi always work together.

Shodashi's energy is blissful. We go into a "special land" when Shodashi is on duty. While she is at work putting circumstances in place to fulfill our highest desire she is simultaneoulsy pounding away at the demiurge, the head archon, leader of the pack to enslave the free will and creativity of humanity.

Today we are invited to bask in the light of Shodashi by finding/creating beauty, looking at a bigger or longer-term picture, and participating in the pummeling of dark forces by drumming (if you don't have a drum, you can hit beats on your leg or on a makeshift drum - anything can be a drum).

To facilitate the connection with Shodashi, free yourself from worries by turning them over to the Wisdom Goddesses. This gives room for Shodashi to enter and settle fun, love of life, and deep appreciation of self as a starry being. Shodashi sees past deficiency and calls forth divine talents and unique potential inherent in everyone. She sees and brings out the good in people. Welcome to her day!

(Note: Here's an interesting article entitled "Mysterious NASA Video of Saturn Reveals Impossible Hexagon-Shaped Cloud Pattern Larger Than Planet Earth" published yesterday at NaturalNews.com. The cloud pattern is a result of the type of energy being disseminated by the planet. The Mahavidyas have been hard at work lately to transform the electro-magnetic-harmonic [astrological] frequency of Saturn. Instead of it being the originator of energy to enslave, dominate, and control, it is being reprogrammed to structure open systems based on freedom, upliftment, and release. Saturn is not what it used to be and ideas about it will have to change accordingly.)

-~

[nemo]

Bertrand Russel said through Michael:


Bertrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

Just want to point out to my seeing Bertrand is off the mark here. As this world is one of full spectrum's. Within the Intelligent and stupid communities, we will find equal amounts of cocksure intelligent people and doubtful stupid people. He must have not been a "seer"

The fundamental cause of trouble in the modern world is that peoples energy is harvested by sorcerers of the second attention. Of course they will use their minions to misdirect and subjugate both stupid and intelligent equally.

His statement to me is a fundamental example of the deception of the ego. The ego will read that and say, "Yes this world is screwy because of the stupid people As a matter of fact Bertrand was cocksure of himself was he not? lol

Just being a little ornery because I am not a big fan of Russels.

[Endless~Knot]

Bertrand Russel said through Michael:


Bertrand Russell in The Triumph of Stupidity in the mid 1930s said that "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

Just want to point out to my seeing Bertrand is off the mark here. As this world is one of full spectrum's. Within the Intelligent and stupid communities, we will find equal amounts of cocksure intelligent people and doubtful stupid people. He must have not been a "seer"

The fundamental cause of trouble in the modern world is that peoples energy is harvested by sorcerers of the second attention. Of course they will use their minions to misdirect and subjugate both stupid and intelligent equally.

His statement to me is a fundamental example of the deception of the ego. The ego will read that and say, "Yes this world is screwy because of the stupid people As a matter of fact Bertrand was cocksure of himself was he not? lol

Just being a little ornery because I am not a big fan of Russels.

Yeah my boyfriend and I were talking about good versus bad people and what constitutes and such. And he has a pretty dismal look at the bad people in the world. Granted, they may be running the show half the time like in politics, but they don't control the world. I would hope. I think he is very sensitive to the foreign installation and at the mercy of it whereas I am not as bad. I am at least aware of it.