Soma
Tools of the Path => Toltec [Public] => Topic started by: erik on July 31, 2006, 05:45:30 PM
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In the 'Active Side of Infinity' CC wrote that seeing is accompanied by a somewhat aggressive, forward-pushing mood. Something that was very common to 'old seers'. Seer who was in the process of seeing used to be a bit of predator.
I have experienced similar mind states. Things go into slower-motion, one feels himself 'fast and furious', is able to anticipate moves of people around, see through all their designs, move in quick and sharp.
I remember that Taisha Ablear was taught to 'pick up speed' to stop the world. How is that related to seeing?
Has anybody else had such experience?
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Not so much the speed for me, gangster, but yes, the predator!
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I have little experience with this since I've grown older. As a child though such experiences came natural and yet my memory of these isn't sharp enough.
What it sounds like you are describing though is called something like compressing time... yet it could also be the shifting to the place of
no pity which Theun Mare's describes as a precursor to seeing.
I wonder, how can we cultivate such states?
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I wonder, how can we cultivate such states?
It comes to me when all bodies of mine become focused on one or another issue. It is easy in the case of issues that are emotionally attractive. Less so in the case of issues where I have to use my will to get focused.
It is kind of total abandon - when this state of mind comes, nothing else matters in the whole world.
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Funny.. I was just writing a poem about this.
I find it feels like reality is an echo of the mind. Hearing sounds before they occur, and hearing other's thoughts like they are your own. It becomes, so that you observe what you know, or hear, unfolding. I find that the moment can be a nearly frozen, or frozen picture frame, with many possible outcomes 'branching' off of it, and we choose one based on our power. I associate this with observing our link with intent, which can appear automatic, and full of doubt, feeling like a 'prediction' of what is about to occur. I found the hardest part of this, is observing that the moment can have absolutely no connection to the previous moment's rationality.
I think the way I came to this is difficult to explain, except to say that I observe it, then I accept and follow it. I would say a great practice for this, is to stalk agreements. Be aware of what you are projecting, or thinking about, what you are feeling in every situation, then look to see if there is an agreement around you, in any way. Power brings power. You will begin to feel either the 'knowing' or the 'doubt' of what is occuring. As I see it, this practice will allign your awareness to intent, your surroundings, and begin to bridge the mind and body.
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I'm an incessant thinker and analyzer -- or at least, I used to be.
Jumping from (what I'm sure we probably all share as) a natural intuition, I helped myself the most in seeing by a clearing out of the thoughts and the second-guessing of self. By going as non-linear and non-hierarchical as possible -- that is, by trying to de-program myself from laws of causation, the scientific method, and steps of one-two-three.
And most of all, by learning to trust the snatches and images and sensations. By becoming the ultimate, radical empiricist -- relying upon first-hand experiences. It's with this last I've had the greatest challenge, the trusting of those experiences, because I know all too well our propensity to fool ourselves.
Once I worked with a development group, where we practiced what i call "the shotgun method". A question would be in front of us, we'd break into small groups, and for each other gave "the first thing", without self-judgement and without interpretation, which popped up. Fast, fast! Not as easy as it sounds, but that's part of the clearing out of the thoughts.
Practice, practice, practice.
Meditation and visualization-activities help too.
At least this is how it all has been growing in me, and I learn every day.
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I'm an incessant thinker and analyzer -- or at least, I used to be.
Jumping from (what I'm sure we probably all share as) a natural intuition, I helped myself the most in seeing by a clearing out of the thoughts and the second-guessing of self. By going as non-linear and non-hierarchical as possible -- that is, by trying to de-program myself from laws of causation, the scientific method, and steps of one-two-three.
And most of all, by learning to trust the snatches and images and sensations. By becoming the ultimate, radical empiricist -- relying upon first-hand experiences. It's with this last I've had the greatest challenge, the trusting of those experiences, because I know all too well our propensity to fool ourselves.
Once I worked with a development group, where we practiced what i call "the shotgun method". A question would be in front of us, we'd break into small groups, and for each other gave "the first thing", without self-judgement and without interpretation, which popped up. Fast, fast! Not as easy as it sounds, but that's part of the clearing out of the thoughts.
Practice, practice, practice.
Meditation and visualization-activities help too.
At least this is how it all has been growing in me, and I learn every day.
I know what you’re saying though I have to say I had been given this advice before and it didn't work so well. Or rather I should say I misinterpreted this advice! I thought it meant don't think at all, which it obviously doesn't. So what I did is walked around all the time suppressing my thoughts, bad idea.
The things you describe are what I used to do automatically as a child.
The problem with what you describe is that you say you used to be a thinker and analyzer but then you describe how you think more effectively though the aid of intuition:
“Once I worked with a development group, where we practiced what i call "the shotgun method". A question would be in front of us, we'd break into small groups, and for each other gave "the first thing", without self-judgment and without interpretation, which popped up. Fast, fast! Not as easy as it sounds, but that's part of the clearing out of the thoughts.
Practice, practice, practice. "
This is what I call thinking without thinking . It is what Jahn recently called the not-doing of thought. Yet, when your mental body becomes "clear", something that feels to me like having more space between thoughts, it becomes quite possible and advantageous to sink-merge...to the depths of what you have just learned. For me right analysis of what I learned had always been helpful for this... There are certain tools to do this, one of them I used to be good at was asking just the "right questions", heck sometimes the questions where more important than the answer.
Going into the depths of that you pierce to the essence of things and connect to time...the moment...you compress time...
It just clicked; I just answered my own question or part of it anyway. :D
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I think the way I came to this is difficult to explain, except to say that I observe it, then I accept and follow it. I would say a great practice for this, is to stalk agreements. Be aware of what you are projecting, or thinking about, what you are feeling in every situation, then look to see if there is an agreement around you, in any way. Power brings power. You will begin to feel either the 'knowing' or the 'doubt' of what is occuring. As I see it, this practice will allign your awareness to intent, your surroundings, and begin to bridge the mind and body.
Ahhh...very useful advice thank you!
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Going into the depths of that you pierce to the essence of things and connect to time...the moment...you compress time...
It just clicked; I just answered my own question or part of it anyway. :D
Interesting thread about seeing but I can't understand (my mental understanding) how you end up with the concept "compressing time".
It is right that seeing is on a higher frequency than the mental body and therefore has to be filtered through the bodies of tonal to become "understandable". But as I know it "compressing time" is something else. It is about performing a number of actions faster than what was possible before.
The actions can be performed faster because our perception and awareness is smoother than before and then the mental mind also opreates at a higher speed.
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I thought it meant don't think at all, which it obviously doesn't. So what I did is walked around all the time suppressing my thoughts, bad idea.
It's like this, Ian. I receive a vision, or a snatch of one. Now, do I take that image and move to the next opening spirit brings, or, do I analyze and reason the image into the ground -- even talking myself out of having received the image to start with?
The things you describe are what I used to do automatically as a child.
The problem with what you describe is that you say you used to be a thinker and analyzer but then you describe how you think more effectively though the aid of intuition:
“Once I worked with a development group, where we practiced what i call "the shotgun method". A question would be in front of us, we'd break into small groups, and for each other gave "the first thing", without self-judgment and without interpretation, which popped up. Fast, fast! Not as easy as it sounds, but that's part of the clearing out of the thoughts.
Practice, practice, practice. "
This is what I call thinking without thinking .
There's confusion and misunderstanding here, but I'm experiencing that at sub-conscious, non-verbal level, and can't quite articulate it yet. I'll have to be reading your writing over time to put my finger on it. But I will point out, with affection, that you are analyzing and reasoning, and heading in the other direction from the nonhierarchical kind of perceiving I was advocating. ;) :-*
Yes, your theory of time-compression... perhaps that is the alternate reality you can use to get at this seeing.
On the other hand, it isn't a "mandate" that we all see!
(Or is it?)
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As I understand it in words, the mind has both linear and nonlinear thought processes. A way of speaking to your self in words, or instantanious 'bursts', or impulses, like instant ideas. I find it becomes almost like awareness of will, of your lines of will, and how they touch what is around. When a warrior learns this 'way of thinking' his life becomes dramatically longer, a life of 100 years, can become equivalent to thousands of years.
Also, by observing something, or someone, with increased attention, you can actually preceive them slowing down, and speeding up, just as you can preceive them turning around, etc etc etc. With attention focused strongly on someone walking, you become aware of their every movement, slowed down, and you can anticipate them. It is a form of stalking seemingly done with the eyes, within the moment. Watching a bird fly, and anticipating its movements is a good practice for this I find.
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Also, by observing something, or someone, with increased attention, you can actually preceive them slowing down, and speeding up, just as you can preceive them turning around, etc etc etc. With attention focused strongly on someone walking, you become aware of their every movement, slowed down, and you can anticipate them.
Somnium, do you ever find that the focus and attention can actually influence the ones you are observing?
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Somnium, do you ever find that the focus and attention can actually influence the ones you are observing?
Yes, and soon I plan to post some of my dreaming experiences. I have found it quite frightening at times, though I am becoming more accustomed to it. I find that we are always affecting whatever we are focusing on, and what we are focusing on is merely an idea, a 'prediction' based on the programing of what we 'know', or surely expect. I find every moment to be a magical programing, and can be reprogramed every instant. It is like the moment is full of 'scouts' that can alter reality in any way, and all we have to do is see the scout, the potential idea to be manifested, the simply allow that scout to unfold, to believe. Once we become familiar with certain scouts we no longer need them, we have claimed this power, and can now look for others.
Since we hear other people's 'impulse's', we can just as easily project 'our own' onto them, making them precieve as if they were there own thoughts or feelings. As I see it, it is simply what naturally occurs anyways.
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I agree, it is what naturally occurs.
And then, sometimes, I deliberately don't look -- seeing it as intrusion in some cases.
This might be what comes of being the 'empathic child', though.
Not looking at indignity (for the child, that would be the so-called "grown-ups") until one can place it in the highest possible perspective.
Doing that, of course, requires maturity and the ability to transcend and ascend, one's self.
A work forever in progress, eh?
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Yes I agree, it can seem like an intrusion, though I am not sure if that is truely possible. However in the case of feeling like intrusion is taking place, I find that impecibity plays a major part. If I were to 'intrude', or doing something I felt as 'wrong', then I find it would not unfold, I can not bring myself to accept the outcome. I have built it this way for protection of myself, and others. I have observed my fears manifest to the point of very near death, and when death is on me in this way, I have to know, without a doubt, that I am impecible enough to live.
I find that obseving someone's impulses can be like feeding a fire, or putting it out. If someone is about to blow their lid for instance, we can feel this and anticipate it as what is about to happen, or we can project 'water', in any way we can, and change the direction. We can, in a way, continue their thought process as if it were their own, or we can even project peace onto them. Either way the impulse's, the 'exchange', is occuring automatically, and so I think the awareness of this is crucial.
A work forever in progress, eh?
Aye!
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Perhaps what I mean is good manners.
At some point, we take responsibility for the areas in which we find ourselves, seeing-wise. Prior to that, all circuits are open, perhaps, and we have little focus.
I remember in my wild youth doing mescaline -- the experience of which in the early 70's might have been something different than it is now. (I "hear" that these drugs are now all watered down.) At any rate, my friends were seeing beautiful colors, streaks and flashes, and having sensations of god. I wanted to see those things, but I didn't. I thought at the time that there was something amiss with my chemistry.
Then I became hyper-aware of one friend in the room, who was reading the newspaper at the rise of dawn. I saw her nervous system, her bloodstream, I became her respiration. I felt how utterly depressed she was. It was a gashing pain.
I didn't have the tools yet, at age 16 or 17, to meet these perceptions with compassion, so the things-seen were wasted on me. I ended up interpreting the experience as, "Oh my god, this is all there is -- we are twitching nerve-ends and that is all." It took years to take it all to a higher level.
But most of all, I look back on the thing as an intrusion upon her, even if it wasn't deliberate. If she had been aware of the merger which was taking place, I feel now she would have been well within her rights to say, "get the flower away from me, you boundary-less idiot."
Good manners -- that is the ticket, Som! ;)
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That is an awesome experience! I have had some mesculine cacti growing, and plan to do some sometime. As I have read, which means nothing to me, is that peotye is strongest, followed by the flaming torch, and peruvian torch cacti. I imagine that 'the tonal of our times', has led to greedy watering down of the 'commercial' product. lol. Though I find that the 'trip' attained from power plants, is subject to your intent, unless your intent is directed or controlled by what others say. This is why, for me, it is important to not be attached to the fellow man in this way. If someone thinks they will not attain a trip, as I have seen, they will not. I suppose this is why shamans will allow the spirit to guide them.
I find manners are also a matter of impecibility. To doubt your manners is to doubt your intent in a way. It is, I think, to doubt your 'way'. I think if a warrior attains a vision, or a state of awareness, then it is a gift to be stalked repeatedly. If we see something, in the moment, then that was shown for us to see for a reason, we had the power present to see this.
I see that if we constantly doubt our impecibity, our manners, or our intent, etc etc etc, then we project this doubt outwards, and so then all we can observe manifest, are our doubts.
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I agree that Intent guides a great deal, though I will point out that my Intent was to be having the beautiful hallucinations and god-experiences everyone else was.
And you're right about the manners being part of impeccability. I was a kid, heheh, I knew nothing.
Want to hear something, though? When years of other experiences weighed into my mind, I finally ended up interpreting that I was seeing god, after all.
Back then, I did peyote as well --- I found it more light-hearted than the mescaline. Of course, did the LSD too, like a true member of my generation. I became a bit psychotic on the lsd. Interestingly, in a last fling with substances about 10 years ago, I did lsd again, and I'm here to tell you -- it was nothing compared to 36 years ago. When I did lsd 36 yrs ago, I was in a corner of the room, in a fetal position, with someone telling me, "if you're going to commit suicide, please tell me, so I can take full advantage of your body before you do." That brought me to, a bit, lol.
But we digress.
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But we digress.
Not really.. awesome interaction here! I am sitting breathless on the edge of my chair! :P
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I agree that Intent guides a great deal
Yes, unfortunately!
This is how I see it when someone says 'I have never been high from hash', or whatever. They are letting their past experiences, or other opinions dictate their moment, and so they allow their intent to guide itself, with no, or little awareness to the fact that absolutely anything can, and will, happen, and is in their control to know it, or to observe it. The plant itself, as I see it, is used as a tool, or an excuse, to allow our awareness to shift, but can only move us if we allow it to, the plant becomes, eventually, a placebo. I suppose it could be said as, the objects we view only have the power we give them.
"if you're going to commit suicide, please tell me, so I can take full advantage of your body before you do."
:o oh no! jeesh..
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Interesting. I remember back in the day, the mythology was that it took a few times of smoking marijuana before it took effect.
Then again, I remember a friend sitting at the table, saying, "I'm not stoned, are you stoned? No, I'm definitely not stoned.. How about you, you stoned? Wow, I'm definitely not stoned. No, no, are you stoned? What did that waitress say? I'm just not stoned!! No, no, not stoned! Is that a policeman at the door?"
:D
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Interesting. I remember back in the day, the mythology was that it took a few times of smoking marijuana before it took effect.
Then again, I remember a friend sitting at the table, saying, "I'm not stoned, are you stoned? No, I'm definitely not stoned.. How about you, you stoned? Wow, I'm definitely not stoned. No, no, are you stoned? What did that waitress say? I'm just not stoned!! No, no, not stoned! Is that a policeman at the door?"
:D
hehehe!
Yup! Also the mythology of "if ya smoke a few, they lose the effect", or, "marijuanna kills the brain", etc etc, and all are true if we choose them to be. Kinda silly really..
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Interesting. I remember back in the day, the mythology was that it took a few times of smoking marijuana before it took effect.
Then again, I remember a friend sitting at the table, saying, "I'm not stoned, are you stoned? No, I'm definitely not stoned.. How about you, you stoned? Wow, I'm definitely not stoned. No, no, are you stoned? What did that waitress say? I'm just not stoned!! No, no, not stoned! Is that a policeman at the door?"
:D
LMAO!
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It's like this, Ian. I receive a vision, or a snatch of one. Now, do I take that image and move to the next opening spirit brings, or, do I analyze and reason the image into the ground -- even talking myself out of having received the image to start with?
No, no of course not. Yet one can reason without obsessing. What you describe of reasoning into the ground is an obsessive tendency of a people taught that mental knowledge is the only knowledge.
What I do comes from many angles. I practice the shotgun method you describe, trusting the first thought that comes, various forms of free-association, automatism/surrealism, as well as various questioning techniques and reasoning techniques.
There's confusion and misunderstanding here, but I'm experiencing that at sub-conscious, non-verbal level, and can't quite articulate it yet. I'll have to be reading your writing over time to put my finger on it. But I will point out, with affection, that you are analyzing and reasoning, and heading in the other direction from the nonhierarchical kind of perceiving I was advocating. ;) :-*
Yes, your theory of time-compression... perhaps that is the alternate reality you can use to get at this seeing.
On the other hand, it isn't a "mandate" that we all see!
(Or is it?)
When you do please let me know it would be greatly appreciated. I must admit though I think maybe you misunderstand me because I don't understand me. ;)
There is something I learned about once though never full understood, yet it is the type of perfection of reasoning that I seek...the little I get of the concept, is that it is a kind of Pure Reason that once developed kind of, sort of bridges the First and Second Attention...sort of making the Second Attention...ahhhh :P more apparent to the first....LOL now I'm lost. Yet, I doubt there is little that is hierarchical about it.
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Interesting thread about seeing but I can't understand (my mental understanding) how you end up with the concept "compressing time".
It is right that seeing is on a higher frequency than the mental body and therefore has to be filtered through the bodies of tonal to become "understandable". But as I know it "compressing time" is something else. It is about performing a number of actions faster than what was possible before.
The actions can be performed faster because our perception and awareness is smoother than before and then the mental mind also opreates at a higher speed.
I'm probably using the words wrong, I do this a lot lately.
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There is something I learned about once though never full understood, yet it is the type of perfection of reasoning that I seek...the little I get of the concept, is that it is a kind of Pure Reason that once developed kind of, sort of bridges the First and Second Attention...sort of making the Second Attention...ahhhh :P more apparent to the first....LOL now I'm lost. Yet, I doubt there is little that is hierarchical about it.
Maybe over time, I'll come to understand this more.
"Pure Reason" -- what is that? Hume?
Epistemologically, who's your man?
(Don't ask me the same... I don't have one, hehe, except perhaps DJ. I left off with Husserl when I was pouring into that sort of thing. Makes sense when you think about it -- I believe Castaneda considered himself a phenomenologist)
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I'm probably using the words wrong, I do this a lot lately.
Here are some DJM quotes regarding time.
"Warriors compress time; even an instant counts.
In a battle for your life a second is an eternity;
an eternity that may decide the outcome.
Warriors aim at succeeding,
therefore they compress time.
Warriors don’t waste an instant. "
"Warriors face the oncoming time. Normally we face the time as if it recedes from us. Only warriors can change that and face time as it advances on them"
"When a warrior talks about time, they are not referring to something which is measured by the movement of a clock. Time is the essence of attention; the Eagle's emanations are made out of time; and properly speaking, when one enters into any aspect of the other self, one is becoming acquainted with time."
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As I understand it in words, the mind has both linear and nonlinear thought processes. A way of speaking to your self in words, or instantanious 'bursts', or impulses, like instant ideas. I find it becomes almost like awareness of will, of your lines of will, and how they touch what is around. When a warrior learns this 'way of thinking' his life becomes dramatically longer, a life of 100 years, can become equivalent to thousands of years.
Also, by observing something, or someone, with increased attention, you can actually preceive them slowing down, and speeding up, just as you can preceive them turning around, etc etc etc. With attention focused strongly on someone walking, you become aware of their every movement, slowed down, and you can anticipate them. It is a form of stalking seemingly done with the eyes, within the moment. Watching a bird fly, and anticipating its movements is a good practice for this I find.
I'm super impressed somnium. :)
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Maybe over time, I'll come to understand this more.
"Pure Reason" -- what is that? Hume?
Epistemologically, who's your man?
(Don't ask me the same... I don't have one, hehe, except perhaps DJ. I left off with Husserl when I was pouring into that sort of thing. Makes sense when you think about it -- I believe Castaneda considered himself a phenomenologist)
Actually... well I might have to blush a little...
I don't really have one, but if I had to pick someone who has inspired me...LOL don't laugh! Babarajajuju a.k.a. Baba! From the TNF. Back in the old days of the form I was in awe of the guy's skillz.
As far as epistemologically I don't have one either, though I guess Socrates was pretty cool.
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I'm super impressed somnium. :)
;D
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Here are some DJM quotes regarding time.
"Warriors compress time; even an instant counts.
In a battle for your life a second is an eternity;
No, I think after reading this that I am using the right wording. As when I am able to sink to the root of my thought and focus intently there, in that moment, I notice more going on in that single moment than before. Things around me seem to slow down and I somehow step back a little, detach and am able to observe...
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if I had to pick someone who has inspired me...LOL don't laugh! Babarajajuju a.k.a. Baba! From the TNF. Back in the old days of the form I was in awe of the guy's skillz.
He was before my time at TNF, but I guess I would ask -- how does this relate? His skills in ___?____. He does seem impassioned, and this is what I admire about him. But that probably is a whole other topic.
You were speaking of "pure reason", I think I was trying to understand what you meant.
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He was before my time at TNF, but I guess I would ask -- how does this relate? His skills in ___?____. He does seem impassioned, and this is what I admire about him. But that probably is a whole other topic.
You were speaking of "pure reason", I think I was trying to understand what you meant.
His skills on the path, in the work, that is what I know of them anyway from reading his posts. As for Pure Reason it relates I just have to work out the details on that one. :P
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His skills on the path, in the work, that is what I know of them anyway from reading his posts.
I understand. I have the same sort of admiration for Michael.
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I understand. I have the same sort of admiration for Michael.
It is going to be awhile before I am able to get back to you on the whole pure reason thing, it does relate to Baba if mem serves. I want to be sure of myself before I say anything more about it :P
I also have admiration for Michael, and good old Bas a.k.a. Tiger. Never the less I mentioned Baba cause his posts have done just as much for me if not more than any of the books I have read.
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..... I mentioned Baba cause his posts have done just as much for me if not more than any of the books I have read.
High praise indeed!
If we get lucky, we meet someone who inspires us thusly, along the way.
Likewise, M has been probably the most important "other" person for me -- his timbre and pitch and imagery are exactly what I need, at this time. Words fail.
(And I say this, having avoided teachers and mentors for years!)
Thank-you, spirit!
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If we get lucky, we meet someone who inspires us thusly, along the way.
If we get really lucky we meet that someone in person! Have had that happen a couple of times now. Later when I have more energy and can "call forth the teachings" that I have gleamed from the ones I met in person I'll share with you guys.
Being ready for such meetings is indeed a tricky matter though, would love to discuss that topic.
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No, I think after reading this that I am using the right wording. As when I am able to sink to the root of my thought and focus intently there, in that moment, I notice more going on in that single moment than before. Things around me seem to slow down and I somehow step back a little, detach and am able to observe...
Sure, whatever feels right for you. These are difficult things for the mental to handle with words anyway. The thing is that with one foot in the nagual and the other trying to live with the clock, the subjectivity around time changes.
The important thing is the increased awareness because that is the key to experiencing time at another rate, or frequency. Then in higher speed, the whole system are able to "compress" daily action as well.
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I associate this with observing our link with intent, which can appear automatic, and full of doubt, feeling like a 'prediction' of what is about to occur. I found the hardest part of this, is observing that the moment can have absolutely no connection to the previous moment's rationality.
I think the way I came to this is difficult to explain, except to say that I observe it, then I accept and follow it.
this is indeed one experience of compression and seeing.
I had this only the other day, at the festival i was at. this was preceded by a dream Julie had of a large eagle, and although the full context was more complex, i knew something was up, and on the last day i kept my eyes peeled.
at one point, i knew it was happening, and had to do with meeting one of the writer/presenters - i can't explain, but i could feel him coming, i could see the eagle's presence - i looked around at the door a few times, but as somnium says, i let it go and just allowed it to come in its own time. but the compression was there.
then they played some music, and i had one of my most intense moments of self-awareness and even felt the fire within - needless to say i was quite ecstatic at this. a little after, i left the tent, and as i walked towards another tent-venue, who should be walking alone, coming in the opposite direction? there was this feeling like, of course, and it flowed naturally that we stopped and talked... then Julie turned up, by sheer chance - after all it was her eagle - and the deed was done.
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Interesting thread about seeing but I can't understand (my mental understanding) how you end up with the concept "compressing time".
It is right that seeing is on a higher frequency than the mental body and therefore has to be filtered through the bodies of tonal to become "understandable". But as I know it "compressing time" is something else. It is about performing a number of actions faster than what was possible before.
The actions can be performed faster because our perception and awareness is smoother than before and then the mental mind also opreates at a higher speed.
yes that is also true, but i have the advantage of being a music recording engineer for whom the 'compressor' is the most essential tool. it adds a distinct sound, in such a way that the term takes on extra meanings, where the moment has added intensity. like invisible light is beamed onto the situation, and there is a feeling of pregnancy, of tantalising potential, in which an act by us has vastly enhanced significance... to me this is where, behind the curtain, the gods are just now passing.
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I love hearing people's dreaming experiences.
Something I have been becoming aware of, which is not really 'time compression', but is related in a way. As I am running, and observing my surroundings, it is as if I can observe the surroundings coming at me faster. I get a feeling of gliding through the air, while running, and the scene can come at me almost 'choppy' at times. Then instantly as this is happening, it can reverse, and I will watch my surrounding come at me very slowly. I have only been aware to this a few times recently. It is as if I forget I am running, and my attention is only on the oncoming objects.
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me. ;)
There is something I learned about once though never full understood, yet it is the type of perfection of reasoning that I seek...
The firm position of Silent Knowledge has a 'clear view' to the position of solid reason, and the position of solid reason, a clear view of Silent Knowledge. The old 'leaders' of our times would be found connected to silent knowledge, and the best leaders of our present day on reason. Though there is much space between the two. In this way a person with Silent Knowldge can understand, perfect reason, and vice versa. It has to be this way, I believe.
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The firm position of Silent Knowledge has a 'clear view' to the position of solid reason, and the position of solid reason, a clear view of Silent Knowledge. The old 'leaders' of our times would be found connected to silent knowledge, and the best leaders of our present day on reason. Though there is much space between the two. In this way a person with Silent Knowldge can understand, perfect reason, and vice versa. It has to be this way, I believe.
OMG!!! Thank you, that was what I was looking for!
Will be saving this thank you again.
LOVE
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Its like... you get to the place of 'no doubt', and theres no doubt.
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Its like... you get to the place of 'no doubt', and theres no doubt.
No doubt ;)
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Compression of time has to do with increase of awareness in terms of intensity and function. As we all know, the perceptual experience of time itself is not a solid measured phenomena - even tho physical measurements of seconds and minutes and so forth can be made. The expanded experience of time has to do with non-ordinary states, as in normal "everyday life" the mind is occupied with certain patterns and repetitious cycles that move in predetermined ways.
When additional awareness is brought to bear upon the moment of experience, time is "compressed" by the pressure of its increased intensity. It is like having extra eyes around your head with which to see more things simultaneously. The moment itself is not more full, it is already infinite - however our personal experience of it is expanded beyond the normal "everyday" scenarios.
In toltec terms, this has been referred to in different ways. In the Second Ring of Power, the women speak about Elias and the way "the world did not touch him". He comes to one of them during dreaming but she is unable to fully remember what he told her because he spoke "at a different speed". These are references to the modality of a person who has fully moved into a richer and more expanded experience of the moment - their actions may appear odd and detached from those of other "everyday" people. It is by virtue of their increased speed of awareness, by which the experience of time is therefore slowed or "compressed". They experience more time than the average person, even though it still occurs within the same physical period of measurement. Therefore their actions, perceptions and so forth are not based from an experience of time in the "normal" sense.
In particular the most potent tool for toltecs in this endeavor is "death as advisor". Having death as your permanent advisor on all you experience is also the key to what they refer to as being a sorcerer, and having will. It is a gateway to the required amount of concentration needed to acquire occult or non-ordinary powers, in this case on a permanent basis rather than sporadically from disparate sessions of meditations or other methods which are not constant, 24/7 activities. The physical body always recieves a "shock" from awareness of its impending death. In hormonal terms this triggers the "fight or flight" response and increases flow of adrenaline. The practice of using "death as advisor" eventually results in a different baseline of physical consciousness than that of the "everyday" person. The basic definition of "normal" then becomes permanently altered, at the deepest level - and the goal of the man of knowledge is to recognize its fluidity and thus remain able to always flux. Even as noted in CCs books, sorcery as a goal in and of itself is a dead end street - its just another version of "normal" thats incredibly more dangerous, confusing and potentially a much worse lifestyle than that of the "everyday" person. However, it does allow a break from the "everyday" world, and therefore it is the goal of seers to keep going, and break again from the sorcerers world, eventually being able to sustain themselves between all worlds.
The moment itself is infinite, even an expanded experience of time within the moment is not the end or final achievement. In terms of sorcery, one persons experience and personal power may be more or less intense, fast, deep, etc. etc. - which is the basis for the nature of that worlds essential component: competition (or war). It is a world of activity based on competition, and thus places massive focus on speed and supernatural power. It is also the world which is most highly prone to jealousy, pride and so on. Buddhists refer to this as the realm of Asuras.
However, the pitfalls of living within any particular world exclusively has been extolled by the toltecs as well. The goal of the seer is to go beyond the worlds in terms of their binding influence on consciousness, and to not be locked into any particular worlds manifestation and its resultant perceptions. Seeing is peircing through the appearances presented by any particular world, and grasping the essence which lies behind perception itself. It always has to do with compression of time, because the essence of things lies outside time altogether. Infinity is not measured in a linear sense of things happening in a particular order, one after the other. However, it is possible to have perceptions outside the "everyday" flow of time which are not true seeing - and would instead simply be perceptions belonging to another world. The expanded world of perceptions offered by sorcery is always presented as a trap by those traditions which seek true seeing. They are incredibly more complex, detailed and in depth compared to those in the "everyday" world. It is not so much a question of accuracy as it is a question of not having an open mind which goes beyond perception altogether... as accuracy of perception is always a relative thing. You can accurately describe things from multiple perspectives of multiple worlds, in multiple ways.
Unfortunately going into detail about true seeing is much more difficult with spoken or written language, and certainly impossible without firsthand experience - and once it has been recognized, there really isnt anything more to be said about it anyways. While that may seem like a copout to some, you can prove it for yourself by direct experience.. and this is why it is always suggested. Thats why many traditions focus their teachings on getting you there rather than trying to describe the end results in depth (which is basically impossible).
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Unfortunately going into detail about true seeing is much more difficult with spoken or written language, and certainly impossible without firsthand experience - and once it has been recognized, there really isnt anything more to be said about it anyways. While that may seem like a copout to some, you can prove it for yourself by direct experience.. and this is why it is always suggested. Thats why many traditions focus their teachings on getting you there rather than trying to describe the end results in depth (which is basically impossible).
It is best to get there without too much talk. The inventory is such a block.
It is like riding a bike, we can talk about it for ages and never be able to ride it any way. we can never figure it out how we balance and take turns until we just do it. Now seeing is not that one can practice one step at the time but there are practices that leads to seeing and these can be done step by step.
And then to finally find the "switch" to seeing one must have practiced and emptied a great part of the old inventory.
One of the first greatest seeing I had was when I saw the beauty in pain and suffering. That tells a lot, it was a completely new perspective, detached but compassionate I saw the beuty in thousands years of suffering for mankind, in detail and en masse. Quite overwhelming.
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I have noticed sometimes
first i read about something, a description of something, then i get the idea or conception how that something is supposed to be experienced. but it's just an imagination of how it is experienced. when i actually experience this thing, first i don't understand that i experienced this thing because i have created somekind of image of how it feels to experience this thing. later sometimes i realise oh! this must be the same thing that i read about.
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Taking the topic down a slightly different crook in the path. Or maybe not.
This is difficult to articulate, but something I have found myself doing for years, especially working in the psych hospital, is this, with people with whom I interact:
I observe how I feel and what I'm experiencing when I'm speaking to them, or them to me. This could be as simple as sympathy or empathy, but it branches out a bit where one sees a particular (unfamiliar) image of self suddenly. A role not of self, as one has stepped into any sort of engagement.
For example, with some patients I would feel myself bristle, as if I was cracking a whip. The ghost of me beating on or berating the one with whom I was speaking would sometimes come. It took me a while to see that this was how the other was experiencing me. I could actually hear the things I was expected to be saying -- all cruel and harsh things. The other would end up revealing a long history of abuse in their family.
It's a kind of seeing and not the only one, of course. But it becomes a good exercise of awareness to know it, in dealing with others : uncaught, I've also seen it happen, like with coworkers, cruel and harsh things might actually begin to come of the mouth, in a bizarre response to a situation. The things said, when the awareness isn't there, become a demand set characteristic of the interaction, rather than a reflection of anything resembling reality. (My theory here being that most of us are far more intuitive than we know.)
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Liked your insight very much, Joshua!
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The things said, when the awareness isn't there, becomes a demand set characteristic of the interaction, rather than a reflection of anything accurately reflecting reality.
that's interesting nichi, once i worked it out, it was quite astute
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Thanks for pointing that out, m! I cleaned it up for understanding's sake!
The things said, when the awareness isn't there, become a demand set characteristic of the interaction, rather than a reflection of anything resembling reality.
~missed it in proofread, sorry