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Resources => Stories, Writings and Other Snippets [Public] => Topic started by: nichi on September 05, 2006, 02:27:40 AM
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What the world needs now is a miracle,
and it is miracles to which we are all entitled.
For miracles occur naturally as expressions of love;
they are in fact the natural order of the world
when the mind is in its natural state.
Our task, quite simply, is to love
in a way that we have never loved before.
Marianne Williamson
http://marianne.com/book/index.htm
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We who have the tough-minded, Toltec influence and who likely share a love for adventure, what did we do with love? Did we forget it, put it aside, take it within?
Did it become so cliche in societal "Christianity" that we ceased to believe it? Did it become washed away in a New Age-y blur?
Don Juan, despite his recriminations of Carlos -- even his expressed revulsion by Carlos -- did he not love? I'm willing to consider that I project it, but it has always struck me that he did!
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The love has not gone anywhere. :)
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I don't understand what is meant by love here.
What is love?
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I don't understand what is meant by love here.
What is love?
:D What dou you think it is?
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:D What dou you think it is?
Well that's why i asked - i don't know :)
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I wonder why it's never spoken of .. is it that we don't like the word?
Or is the word so full of multiple meanings that we are cautious?
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What is there to speak about love? i wonder
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:D This just came in my email...
Every word of every tongue
By Fakhruddin Iraqi
(? - 1289)
Every word of every tongue is
Love telling a story to her own ears.
Every thought in every mind,
She whispers a secret to her own Self.
Every vision in every eye,
She shows her beauty to her own sight.
Every smile on every face,
She reveals her own joy for herself to enjoy.
Love courses through everything,
No, Love is everything.
How can you say, there is no love,
when nothing but Love exists?
All that you see has appeared because of Love.
All shines from Love,
All pulses with Love,
All flows from Love--
No, once again, all IS Love!
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Love is ... the insatiable longing for god and spirit and the recognition of those forces in all.
That's the best I can do off the top of my head ---
this and the dictionary definitions pale, don't they?
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Maybe love could equal to intent.
But anyway - how's that going to help us avoid dying like normal people?
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Is that the answer --- that we perceive that focus on love takes us away from the quest to die with our awareness in tact?
Is it that we think it keeps us attached?
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Maybe love could equal to intent.
But anyway - how's that going to help us avoid dying like normal people?
If you got a good rational explanation now, would it be of any help to you?
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Is that the answer --- that we perceive that focus on love takes us away from the quest to die with our awareness in tact?
Then who and why invented all the hard work and practices then? ;D
Is it that we think it keeps us attached?
I don't quite understand the meaning of this.
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If you got a good rational explanation now, would it be of any help to you?
No - i don't need a rational explanation about love for my own sake. I'm just interested how others see it.
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Is that the answer --- that we perceive that focus on love takes us away from the quest to die with our awareness in tact?
Is it that we think it keeps us attached?
Good one, Nichi!
Attachment, looking into craving eyes that want so much of you...and you want freedom more than anything. Where's love in that equation?
What you named as our quest - to die and keep the full awareness - is it the only thing we want?
:D
Where's love in all that?
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To die and keep awareness - that is a huge thing to aspire to. I've always thought about the need to be more sober than ever regarding such a wish - it is easy hide the fear behind that wish.
I used to want it very much and think about all the time - that keeping of awareness. Now - it all has changed and keeps changing in a different direction. I used to be driven by fear, it is still there, but there has surfaced a part of me that is pretty fearless and pretty indifferent to these existential things. :D
Things change and unexpected things surface on that journey to one's core.
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Where's love in all that?
That's sort of what I'm asking, e! Where is love in all that?
I don't see a conflict, myself ...
But perhaps it's like M's avatar : "You can't have everything!"
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To die and keep awareness - that is a huge thing to aspire to. I've always thought about the need to be more sober than ever regarding such a wish - it is easy hide the fear behind that wish.
I used to want it very much and think about all the time - that keeping of awareness. Now - it all has changed and keeps changing in a different direction. I used to be driven by fear, it is still there, but there has surfaced a part of me that is pretty fearless and pretty indifferent to these existential things. :D
Things change and unexpected things surface on that journey to one's core.
Death is so imminent, e .. I haven't felt I had the luxury to assume otherwise since the tree fell on my house. There's nothing I want more than to know my 'double', or my immortal self in time, or Spirit -- all or some of the above, however you frame it -- so that I will do the right thing at the right time. This was driven home to me a few months ago up in the plane, flying parallel to the tornadoes: I'm not ready, I'm not 'there' yet. So tis what I'm working on ...
But here, we fall away from "love" a bit .. unless it's the love for infinity and eternity.
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But perhaps it's like M's avatar : "You can't have everything!"
Yes, nobody can. At different stages love means different things.
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Or do we fall away from "love" here?
Surely there have been some so wise and pure in this regard that the journey to infinity was only assisted via the state?
I don't know the answers .. I'm asking, aloud! :)
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Death is so imminent, e .. I haven't felt I had the luxury to assume otherwise since the tree fell on my house. There's nothing I want more than to know my 'double', or my immortal self in time, or Spirit -- all or some of the above, however you frame it -- so that I will do the right thing at the right time. This was driven home to me a few months ago up in the plane, flying parallel to the tornadoes: I'm not ready, I'm not 'there' yet. So tis what I'm working on ...
But here, we fall away from "love" a bit .. unless it's the love for infinity and eternity.
...and then there has been and still is the Golgotha. I'd guess in one form or another everybody goes through it. It must be embraced fully and unconditionally. It must be loved. :)
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Or do we fall away from "love" here?
Surely there have been some so wise and pure in this regard that the journey to infinity was only assisted via the state?
I don't know the answers .. I'm asking, aloud! :)
I have no idea about these journeys.
But you know all the answers to your questions about love. Just look inside yourself - has love gone away? Can you exist even a second without it? :D
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What is there to speak about love? i wonder
It is said that, the Way which can be spoken of is not the Constant Way.
So is that, what ever can be said of love, also, still is not love
and never can be?
t
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In order to create there must be a dynamic force, and what force is more potent than love?
Igor Stravinsky
Love is the force that ignites the spirit and binds teams together.
Phil Jackson, Sacred Hoops
Love does not only transform our mental/emotional nature, it also involves the physical system of our body which goes through profound changes as well.
David McArthur, The Intelligent Heart
Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart ... Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens.
Carl Jung
There is a light that shines beyond all things on earth, beyond the highest, the very highest heavens. This is the light that shines in your heart
Chandogya Upanishad
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"For even as love crowns you, so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning. Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun, so shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.
That is to say, love can occupy the deepest places of your mind, shake the foundations of your life, and force you to leave your native land. Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself. He threshes you to make you naked. He sifts you to free you from your husks. He grinds you to whiteness. He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God’s sacred feast."
~Khalil Gibran
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"For even as love crowns you, so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning. Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun, so shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.
That is to say, love can occupy the deepest places of your mind, shake the foundations of your life, and force you to leave your native land. Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself. He threshes you to make you naked. He sifts you to free you from your husks. He grinds you to whiteness. He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God’s sacred feast."
~Khalil Gibran
:o Niamh, I read The Prophet last night before going to sleep and had marked this off thinking about this thread here. :-*
Also~
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love , if it finds you worthy, directs your course.
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the Way which can be spoken of is not the Constant Way.
So is that, what ever can be said of love, also, still is not love
and never can be?
Tom, I think I'll be glad if this is the answer to why it is never spoken of.
And it surely would gain momentum and power through its silence....
((((N and J))))
Great passages!!
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:o Niamh, I read The Prophet last night before going to sleep and had marked this off thinking about this thread here. :-*
Aha! Must be a reason for this then! :)