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Re: Death
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Re: Death
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2007, 11:54:57 AM »
that's interesting Juhani.
A lot of reading there - I might print it out, as I wasn't aware of that purana.

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Re: Death: romancing death
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2007, 06:27:56 PM »
Only song I can think of was something I heard when I was high and walking the streets of Hollywood. I was going in and out of random shops on the street. In one I found all kinds of Oriental knick knacks, of cats and buddhas, and Daoist Immortals, and then some music struck me. I was carried away into its world. Don't know what song it was though and can barely remember it's tune now. Of course I was high as hell! Music has that effect when you're high. This seemed different, but I don't know for certain that it was "my song".
Or should I say "our song".
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Re: Death
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2007, 10:48:09 PM »
This songs title is Happy Birthday To You.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=AhOmpNbxMf8

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Death of a Mystic
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2007, 09:30:21 PM »
First, I am using the term Mystic in my own specific meaning. I apply it to those who have acquired the double, who have employed the super-sensorable world as an integrated working aspect of their sensorable world. Who operate on ‘both’ levels.

These are people who have mastered the second task of the path. The first task is the security and health of the physical body - karmic facts excluded. That means all that the physical implies - our physical world, its primary milestones of food, shelter, and security, in all that those words signify in their widest terminology.

I am not saying such a person does not go through physical calamities of financial, health and relationship. That’s the road - we can’t ask for comfort. I am saying they have built within themselves the readiness, the competence and the willingness to adapt to all and every situation that confronts them. Failure is allowed, but not on an inner level of potent capacity. We can suffer profound disaffection with the physical world, but that is part of the second task. The first task is creating a competent machine of survival in every condition we could possibly meet - how we use that machine is an aspect of our second task, the task of the soul.

The Mystic has mastered the task of the soul. This means she has found balance in her sentience. The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune now find her a formidable opponent to overthrow. Again, not without vulnerabilities, but past a definite threshold, such that each time you meet her, you are likely to meet a consistency palpable beneath the surface fluctuations of a fertile personality.

A Mystic however has also mastered one highly critical faculty: she has activated the double. How is that done? Unfortunately this is not the place to go into that, but it is the subject of considerable bewilderment. My personal experience has demonstrated that it is commensurate with our astral self recognising our physical self, to the point where it takes an active role in the life and journey of that physical self.

The double is a being of astounding qualities. Every creature has an astral component - an inorganic being. Aware creatures, like humans and animals, but also very old trees etc, have a special type of inorganic being. Each human has an astral self, which becomes the primary vehicle of awareness after death. The Mystic uses the same vehicle, but with one fantastic difference. The double, an astral self, has a quality of awareness that is significantly different to the ordinary person. It has ‘self-directing’ faculties and powers.

Look clearly at what this means. The ordinary person’s astral body is predicate. It’s entire existence is conditional, on the life of the physical emotions during life, and on their unwinding, of stored memory, after life. It is a puppet on the strings of external influences - it has minimal free will. It’s existence proceeds according to law, to the command of associations, and extinguishes on the exhaustion of those associations. The double however, is an astral being who has acquired agency. And there you have it, in a nutshell.

Agency means it is no longer a predicate. It is an active instigator in its own right. It still comes under the law, but it comes under a different law - the law of awareness. It also extinguishes, but instead of through the exhaustion of stored associations, it has the ability to create new associations, such that it exhausts on its deeper layers of energy. In theory, it could live, comparative to the physical, forever. But there are deeper laws of evolution, that will inevitably come knocking.

The double creates new associations, because it has an active awareness, that can seek out new experiences, un-predicated on life’s associations. I expect there will always remain some threads back to those associations, so it is very wise, as a Mystic, to taste and scan the widest possible array of sensations possible, on both an outer and inner dimension. Much could be said about that process.

On death, the Mystic’s double catches The Sultan's Turret in a Noose of Light. And carries it away on a melody of fantastic possibilities - contained only by the imagination.

Such is the prize of those who have mastered the second task, and who have secured for themselves the death of a Mystic - the Vehicle of Adventure!
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A different kind of Death
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2007, 10:09:07 PM »
There is another type of person, who dies in a very different way. I call these ‘of the line of Manu’.

Manu is the title given to a being of great power, who initiates a new race or sub-race. We all belong to specific Manus, who projenated our vehicle, and our soul. When we die, we fold back into the Manu. You will just need to read up on Manus to know why I like this phrase.

This type of person has no name that I am aware of, so I’ll just call them the children of Manu. Each in their own way, create an aura that suspends in astral for a long time, after they have died.

lets say they have a way of creating a huge mansion that friends can live in - a time machine.

During such a person’s life, they build the depth and volume of their aura, such that when they die, it forms a home in space, astral space. Think of it like a great cloud of warmth and love, that you can lie in, and go to sleep. That is what we all do in some way - we die and go to sleep in the vast astral glow of a being, till we rise up again, and strike forth out into the wilderness again.

So some people build a small version of this, but it is the same principle. In death they transform into their aura, and vivify it. This is an advance on the Warrior’s Song. This is a collaboration of a great Song and a realisation of what can be achieved with our own effort. Imagine it like a mythical land, where many friends meet up, and settle down for the quiet years.

Everyone does it - you who have pets will understand how this works. We all spin our aura. Just that some have a stick of dynamite to launch there’s. And they die like great ships in the sky. Many find refuge in their soul, even during life.

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Re: Death (Manu)
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2007, 02:40:52 AM »
In Hinduism, Manu is a title accorded the progenitor of humankind, first king to rule this earth, who saves mankind from the universal flood. He is honest which is why he is called "Satyavrata", or oath of truth. INFO: 'Manu' name is just like name of prophet Noah or prophet Nuh a.s in Abrahamic religion,he is the great man who build the Ark to save man from the great flood.

Mahabharata says: "And Manu was endued with great wisdom and devoted to virtue. And he became the progenitor of a line. And in Manu's race have been born all human beings, who have, therefore, been called Manavas. And it is of Manu that all men including Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, and others have been descended, and are, therefore, all called Manavas. Subsequently, O monarch, the Brahmanas became united with the Kshatriyas. And those sons of Manu that were Brahmanas devoted themselves to the study of the Vedas. "The ten sons of Manu are known as Vena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan, Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Saryati, the eighth, a daughter named Ila, Prishadhru the ninth, and Nabhagarishta, the tenth. They all betook themselves to the practices of Kshatriyas. Besides these, Manu had fifty other sons on Earth. But we heard that they all perished, quarrelling with one another."[1]

14 Manus of Śveta Vārāha Kalpa

Each Manu rules during an eon called a Manvantara. Puranas ascribe to each Manvantara one Indra, one Vishnu avatara, etc.[2] 14 Manvantaras make up a Kalpa, a period corresponding to a day in the life of Brahma. 14 Manus of the present Śveta Vārāha Kalpa are:

   1. Svayambhuva Manu
   2. Svarocisa Manu
   3. Auttami or Uttama Manu
   4. Tamasa Manu
   5. Raivata Manu
   6. Caksusa Manu
   7. S`raddhadeva Manu (son of Vaivasvata) [3]
   8. Savarni Manu
   9. Daksa Savarni Manu
  10. Brahma Savarni Manu
  11. Dharma Savarni Manu
  12. Rudra Savarni Manu
  13. Raucya or Deva Savarni Manu
  14. Bhauta or Indra Savarni Manu

Currently we are in the 7th Manvantara headed by Sraddhadeva (Vaivasvata) Manu.

The Matsya avatara of Vishnu is said to have appeared to King Manu (whose original name was Satyavrata, the then King of Dravida[4]), while he washed his hands in a river. The little fish asked the king to save it, and kept growing bigger and bigger. It also informed the King of a huge flood which would occur soon. The King builds a huge boat, which houses his family, 9 types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth.

This story is very similar to other deluge stories in ancient Sumerian mythology which preceded the story of Noah's ark.

Works ascribed to Manu

According to tradition, Manava Grihyasutra, Manava Sulbasutra and Manava Dharmashastra (Manusmriti) texts are ascribed to Manu (Sayambhuva). Manusmriti is considered by some Hindus to be the law laid down for Hindus. At the same time it is a smriti, so whenever there is a conflict between what is mentioned in it and that mentioned in sruti (Vedas and Upanishads) the latter is considered to be correct.

In theosophy

In Theosophy, the Manu is regarded as the progenitor of the Aryan root race, who are said to have originated in Atlantis.

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Re: Death
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2007, 02:42:22 AM »
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The astronomical time cycles mentioned in ancient Hindu astronomical and Puranic texts are remarkably similar to each other. Old Indian measures are still in use today, primarily for religious purposes in Hinduism and Jainism. They also are employed in the teachings of Surat Shabda Yoga.

The Hindu cosmological time cycles are described in verses 11–23 of Chapter 1, Surya Siddhanta [1]:

"(Verse 11). That which begins with respirations (prāna) is called real; that which begins with atoms(truti) is unreal. Six respirations make a vinādi, sixty of these a nādi. (12). And sixty nādis make a sidereal day and night. Of thirty of these sidereal days is composed a month; a civil (sāvana) month consists of as many sunrises. (13). A lunar month, of as many lunar days (tithi); a solar (sāura) month is determined by the entrance of the sun into a sign of the zodiac; twelve months make a year. This is called a day of the gods. (14). The day and night of the gods and of the demons are mutually opposed to one another. Six times sixty of them are a year of the gods, and likewise of the demons. (15). Twelve thousand of these divine years are denominated a Quadruple Age(caturyuga); of ten thousand times four hundred and thirty-two solar years (16) is composed that Quadruple Age(caturyuga), with its dawn and twilight. The difference of the Golden (krtayuga) and the other Ages (yugas), as measured by the difference in the number of the feet of Virtue in each, is as follows : (17). The tenth part of a (Quadruple) Age (caturyuga), multiplied successively by four, three, two, and one, gives the length of the Golden (krta) and the other yugas: the sixth part of each belongs to its dawn and twilight. (18). One and seventy caturyugas make a Patriarchate (manvantara or Patriarchal Age of one manu); at its end is a twilight which has the number of years of a Golden Age (krtayuga), and which is a deluge (pralaya). (19). In an Aeon (kalpa) are reckoned fourteen such Patriarchs (manus) with their respective twilights; at the commencement of the Aeon (kalpa) is a fifteenth dawn, having the length of a Golden Age (krtayuga).(20). The kalpa, thus composed of a thousand caturyugas, and which brings about the destruction of all that exist (bhoo), is a day of Brahma; his night is of the same length. (21). His extreme age is a hundred, according to this valuation of a day and a night. The half of his life is past; of the remainder, this is the first kalpa. (22). And of this kalpa, six Patriarchs (manus) are past, with their respective twilights; and of the Patriarch Manu son of Vivasvant, twenty-seven Ages (caturyugas) are past; (23). Of the present, the twenty-eighth, Age (caturyuga), this Golden Age (krtayuga) is past; from this point,reckoning up the time, one should compute together the whole number."
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Re: Death (The Laws of Manu)
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2007, 02:45:25 AM »
The Laws of Manu
George Bühler, translator
(Sacred Books of the East, Volume 25)
Chapter I
Chapter II
Chapter III
Chapter IV
Chapter V
Chapter VI
Chapter VII
Chapter VIII
Chapter IX
Chapter X
Chapter XI
Chapter XII

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu.htm

<<I just opened the first chapter and it looks to be, well worth reading for many reasons.. enjoy>>
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Re: A different kind of Death
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2007, 08:56:59 PM »

During such a person’s life, they build the depth and volume of their aura, such that when they die, it forms a home in space, astral space. Think of it like a great cloud of warmth and love, that you can lie in, and go to sleep. That is what we all do in some way - we die and go to sleep in the vast astral glow of a being, till we rise up again, and strike forth out into the wilderness again.


nine years ago, i had an expereince that your words reminded me off. At the time, I was going through some 'heart pain'. One night, while lying in bed, I was aware that the 'pain' I was feeling was way too much in proportion to it's occurance. I couldn't turn it off though..  I suddenly felt myself rising out of my body (was rather 'literal') and enveloped in this "warm loving cloud that held me". It was a strange sensation that I had not experienced before. It felt "outside" of me, very much so, and also sentient; very much so too. I lay like this for some time, and fell asleep.
The next night it happened again, though the pain i had felt the previous night was not there, so I wasn't sure what 'triggered' it, other than I wanted to know if it had been "real", my expereince. And it had. Again, I sensed this sentient warm loving 'puff' cloud enveloping me, holding me as I fell asleep. 
I always wondered about that. It very definately felt "external" to "me", something that perhaps had been a memory but not one that I could recall.
Since then though, it is something I can 'bring back', though not with the same intensity as then. Was almost like getting a taste of something..

What impressed me though, was this sense of 'sentience', that the 'love' was sentient, and was there (where ever 'there' was)
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Re: Death
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Re: Death
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2007, 07:34:16 AM »
That is a very interesting book, which I have recommended before as a way to shift one's concepts of who we are. But it is a big task to read - I doubt I could read it on screen myself. Unfortunately it is not a cheap book to buy new.

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Re: Death
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2007, 08:56:54 PM »
I attempted to see what that time machine is and how does it look like.
What I got, was a vision of a planet, but it did not feel like 'planet' - it felt rather like a 'world' that I looked at from above. I should say 'from space', but it did not feel like 'space' we see in this physical world.

I was in a strange state - sort of looking at that world from an insulated smaller space. The world and that smaller space in which I was were suspended in an infinite dark space. The world was totally covered with intensively bubbling, curling, boiling, constantly moving and whirling thick dark gray clouds. They were mud-gray, occasionally metallic gray. Something pretty brutal was going on there. A term of 'dark times' could impart the feeling. I felt like passenger looking out of illuminator, though there were no illuminators, but only that securely insulated space which I (and others whom I felt but did not see) were in. We were suspended above that 'world' and sort of waiting for something to pass.

When looking at this sight I felt strangely twisting sensation in my forehead and throat. It was as if energy flow was deflected or re-routed there.

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Re: Death of a Warrior
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2008, 10:43:35 AM »
I think I found my life-song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ccDALhLuI&feature=related

and my death-song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLytThCyRw

(The videos are worth watching, but it's the songs without the visuals pulling me in.)


I want to describe some different deaths - the previous was the backdrop, structure of our condition.

The death of a warrior:

A warrior lives by the Code. this may look like a code of Iron, but it’s not. It is the code of Poetry.

A warrior lives the life of a poem. She rejects the mundane, rejects the rational, rejects the secure. She longs to stand in the wind atop the mountain.

A warrior lives in Song. Dies in Song.

you who read this here have within you the warrior. when a warrior dies, a song is waiting. This song cuts like a razor blade into the our heart, and steals our soul. we are given to it like a mouse to a hawk.

on passing the gates on death, we each have our song, and it waits like a hawk, like a taxi, like a lover, like a flower.

away on its melody we are carried into the consummation of heroes.

what song is waiting for you? let me tell you.

think back to a time when in an unguarded moment, you heard music that stole your heart. may only have been a few bars, a few notes. usually not on a good stereo, but on the street. music that cut right through you. that is your song - and if you are lucky there may be more than one.

if you can’t recall, then work on it - every warrior has a song.

why? because music comes from our deepest being.

I will tell you of two of mine:
once when I was standing in line at the passport counter in Indonesia, Sumatra - a mouldy crappy place - I heard from an old cassette player the sound of guitar. I asked who it was - Mick Bloomfield! they said. Well I’ve never heard it since, and I know his music. But whatever, it carried me away.

next was the main one - across the lake, after my encounter with death, one morning I heard the most beautiful singing. so light, so sad, so free.
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