Topic: WE'RE STUFFED!!!

[Michael]

I'm no longer optimistic about a Harris win - neither am I as sanguine re a Trump presidency as many right-wing commentators appear to be.

One thing is that the foreign interferes - Russia and China - can't make up their mind which candidate they prefer, but they are active nonetheless... esp Russia who seems to be keen to simply create havoc in every democratic nation.

If Harris wins, we can get on with the business of rational human affairs. If Trump wins, at least it will teach stupid Americans a lesson.

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I'm no longer optimistic about a Harris win - neither am I as sanguine re a Trump presidency as many right-wing commentators appear to be.

One thing is that the foreign interferes - Russia and China - can't make up their mind which candidate they prefer, but they are active nonetheless... esp Russia who seems to be keen to simply create havoc in every democratic nation.

If Harris wins, we can get on with the business of rational human affairs. If Trump wins, at least it will teach stupid Americans a lesson.

I was talking to the twin cause we have seen AI platforms say Trump will win. I said I beat the pc at chess before. My tarot trumps AI

I am going to remain optimistic. I feel she will win. I was right last election. I was even right when a wee one, Jimmy Carter would win.

But cheating - will they try to cheat and take it from Harris (most certainly).

So say they try to deny votes and kick it to House. Dont forget - the supreme court granted the president powers he never had. Biden can stop a coup.

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All warfare is based on deception. Granted, you think the Orange Willywacker would realize it by now. But his deal is lie lie lie. BUT. He has a big mouth, and can't hold back. So at Madison Square Garden, when he gives the nod to the so-called "Moses Man" Mike Johnson (yes he really said he is "Moses"), and said he has a "secret," the idiotic thing of this is, the Deluded Melon has already given away his "plan."

The plan of course, is to have traitors in place to not certify votes, and then no candidate gets to the 270 electoral votes. Which then kicks it to the House, where "Moron Moses" is House Speaker, and the House is majority GOP, and they can say Trump won. Even if Harris won the vote, but votes weren't certified.

Now the thing is, to me, while he has this big mouth and gives the plan, this gives the Harris camp, who is in the White House, plenty of time to plan in secret how to combat this. I personally believe a plan is in place for this. But they are smart and don't reveal this to the public.

We ALL know they are going to try to cheat, and this is one of the ways. But Biden has superpowers now. Could that stop the steal? The scoop:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/speaker-mike-johnson-sheds-light-secret-trump-rcna177802

Speaker Mike Johnson sheds light on his ‘secret’ with Trump (Newsflash: No he didn't. He is trying to cover up, what is Orange Jesus slipped out).
Donald Trump and Speaker Mike Johnson have both said they have a “secret” related to the election. It’s tough to blame Democrats for feeling anxious.


Oct. 29, 2024, 8:20 AM PDT
By Steve Benen

There was no shortage of ugly rhetoric at Donald Trump’s event at Madison Square Garden, but one of the comments that generated conversation had nothing to do with racism or bigotry. It instead related to an unscripted moment about the former president and House Speaker Mike Johnson.

“We gotta get the congressmen elected and we gotta get the senators elected, because we can take the Senate pretty easily, and I think with our little secret we’re going to do really well with the House, right? Our little secret is having a big impact,” Trump said while looking in the Louisiana congressman’s direction.

The former president added, while appearing to point at the House speaker, “He and I have a secret. We’ll tell you what it is when the race is over.”

To put it mildly, this caused some unease, especially among Democratic officials. The anxiety did not dissipate when the GOP congressman confirmed that he and his party’s presidential nominee do, in fact, have some kind of secret. “By definition, a secret is not to be shared — and I don’t intend to share this one,” Johnson said in a statement.

Hours later, as The Hill reported, the House speaker elaborated a bit.

“It’s nothing scandalous, but we’re having a ball with this. The media, their heads are exploding. ‘What is the secret?’” Johnson told a crowd of about 90 people on Monday at a rally to support GOP congressional candidate Ryan Mackenzie, after a person in the crowd asked about the comment. “It’s this thing we have about — it’s a get-out-the-vote. It’s one of our tactics on get-out-the-vote,” Johnson said.

To be sure, it’s possible that Trump and Johnson have some kind of “secret” related to get-out-the-vote “tactics,” though there’s reason for some skepticism. After all, the House speaker doesn’t really have much of a role in guiding his party’s GOTV efforts, so there’s no obvious reason why he and the former president would feel the need for a confidential arrangement.

As for Johnson’s suggestion that there’s no real need for scrutiny, perhaps he’s unaware of the broader context. The New York Times reported on the worst-case scenario on Democrats’ minds: “It is a scenario in which Mr. Johnson, who worked with Mr. Trump to undermine the 2020 election results, would again be in cahoots with the former president to steal the election and stop the certification of the results on Jan. 6, 2025, should Vice President Kamala Harris win.”

Look, this isn’t junior high. It’s not as if Trump told Johnson during homeroom which girl he has a crush on, and the congressman feels the need to keep his pal’s information under wraps.

The stakes are vastly higher. A convicted criminal is facing a multi-count federal indictment accusing him of, among other things, illegally trying to overturn an election. Johnson, meanwhile, helped spearhead an ill-fated effort to convince the Supreme Court to keep Trump in power despite the voters’ verdict, and voted with his party to reject certifying the results of a free and fair election.

Johnson also echoed some of the wilder conspiracy theories about the race, and nearly four years later, the Louisiana Republican is still reluctant to acknowledge the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election.

It’s against this backdrop that Trump and Johnson, by their own admission, have a “secret” related to the election. What could possibly go wrong? Quite a bit, actually.

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If Harris wins, we can get on with the business of rational human affairs. If Trump wins, at least it will teach stupid Americans a lesson.

Btw what you said here, yes, a lesson. A major one. One, those tariffs that the Deluded Melon says are a "more beautiful word than love," would cripple folks financially. We have so many things imported, everything would go up. It's incredibly stupid. This was tried before, and contributed to The Great Depression. But what else do we expect, from a complete moron with the brain of a gnat, who bankrupt casinos, where the house always wins? We can expect devastation, and then those crybabies who say they voted Trump for "the economy" (which was Obama's achievement he inherited), they would suffer for it. Two, pull out of Nato and a possible invasion. Oh yeah, they would learn on that one, too. That would be huge. Show me a country with no allies who has won a war. If he pulled out, we would have none. Or maybe, Nato would kick us out even. Then think these dictators are buddies? Fat chance. So they would learn, for sure.

But let's hope we don't have to go there, and spirit is like "ok they are incredibly stupid" and save us from the wrath. Shall see. I just hope, the bright ones outweigh the idiots. We will find out in a week.

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All The Devi fans waiting on the results of this election like...



Very exhausting! But The Devi has a lot of good things on her side. But today Biden opened his pie hole and called Donable Lector's supporters "garbage," in response to the shit comedian who called Puerto Ricans garbage, and their island. Jesus, these people! Now main thing, The Devi has been wise, to not trash on the supporters, no matter how deplorable or misguided they are. She knows better. But The Old Man has had it. It's all good. Now we wait for the news.

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Now I know. Back in the day we had Walter Cronkite. Never will be another like him. But Lawrence O'Donnell is close to the spirit of those types of reporters. He is here speaking about optimism and hope. I learned last year, optimism is why Elton John wears rose colored glasses all the time. To shield out the ugliness of the world. Now, prior that would seem a head in sand deal. But I learned, it can be a superpower, to focus on the positive, lock in, and keep it. Tonight, I feel full of hope and optimism. The scoop:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0JVsJBFjQo

[Firestarter]

She is right. And this is where the democrats flowered up.

This year, they would not allow any debates or discussions between challengers to Joe Biden. He was hoisted by the DNC, not allowing what they should have done: choice. Marianne could have been a good contender. If she could have got up and debated could have been good. But the DNC and media silenced any contenders, and we were stuck with Joe Biden. When he debated trump, he looked like a confused geriatric patient, and failed. They had to get someone else. Kamala was well qualified, but it was a mad rush to bring her forth. But in the end, due to the DNC stupidity of not allowing choices, we are here, with this debacle.

She is right.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9t3rK9KZM8

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Michael - can we change the title of this thread to "We're flowered!!!!"

[nikos]

needs patience....

[Michael]

No - historical topic... to change the heading is somewhat disingenuous to past posters. And anyway, as I said previously, the point of the topic is about the climate crisis.

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No - historical topic... to change the heading is somewhat disingenuous to past posters. And anyway, as I said previously, the point of the topic is about the climate crisis.

He's going to lead to the climate disaster and more!

But Ok. I get it. But Niikos did agree with me, for the record.

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Look at all the c***s in America. All that red.

Basically. Let's break it down folks. We had a Devi, a decent human being, pristine record of working as a prosecutor then senator. Against, a bloated, revolting, rug wearing, bronzer wearing, dementia idiot, sex offender, 34 count felon, conman, idiot, who has threatened to shoot folks in the face. Racist, misogynistic, idiotic,, and America said "that's my guy. Give him the nuke codes. He will fix it all. Chosen by God. Our Messiah."

Cause why? Cheaper milk and eggs? Price at the pump? I mean, he said he is going to round up immigrants, and he won the latino/a vote, and women? Sure let them bleed out in a parking lot. Project 2025 wants to take your voting rights.. Women voted for this fat bloated orange flower. And of course the incels and men who cant get laid watched him on Joe Rogan and thought he a man's man and here we are: hello, antichrist. flowering idiots.

But seriously the red. I hope, this is my dream, ALL women, completely go celibate and never flower a man who put on a red hat. I hope all these dumb flowerers never ever see a vagina again, ever. I want it to fall off from lack of use and their brains to explode. I hope divorces go up and they are left alone. and women who voted for this flea bag? flower them all. I hope their kids never talk to them again. Ever, Scumbags all of them. Im over it.

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/06/climate/warmest-year-on-record/index.html

2024 will be the first year on record to smash a warming limit scientists warned about
Brandon Miller Ella Nilsen
By Brandon Miller and Ella Nilsen, CNN
 3 minute read
Updated 4:05 AM EST, Thu November 7, 2024

New data confirms 2024 will be the hottest year on record and the first calendar year to exceed the Paris Agreement threshold — devastating news for the planet that comes as America chooses a president that has promised to undo its climate progress both at home and abroad.

Nearly all the world’s countries pledged to strive to keep global warming under 1.5 degrees Celsius in the Paris Agreement, which scientists said would prevent cascading and worsening impacts such as droughts, heat waves and catastrophic sea level rise. They warn at that level, the human-caused climate crisis — fueled by heat-trapping fossil fuel pollution — begins to exceed the ability of humans and the natural world to adapt.

Data released Wednesday by Europe’s Copernicus Climate Change Service shows 2024 is “virtually certain” to shoot above that threshold.

President-elect Donald Trump, a noted climate denier, pulled the US out of the Paris Agreement during his first term and has vowed to do it again in his second. But the new data makes it clear further delays in climate action from leading global economies will ensure even higher levels of warming are reached, and with it, ever worsening impacts.

“We don’t have time to stop,” Alex Scott, a climate diplomacy strategist at international think tank ECCO said Wednesday.

As climate change-fueled extreme weather is killing more people and costing economies billions of dollars each year, the climate crisis has been given top billing at major international forums like the G7 and G20.

“These are things that a Trump administration will not be able to shy away from,” Scott said.

Not only did President-elect Trump vow to pull the US out of the landmark Paris climate agreement on the campaign trail, but some former Trump officials have floated the idea of pulling the country entirely out of the United Nations treaty to tackle climate change. Doing so would end US participation in international negotiations and make it harder for future administrations to re-enter them.

It would be a more “serious” and “dramatic” step, said Alden Meyer, senior associate at climate think tank E3G and a longtime international climate expert.

Trump’s re-election will likely cast a shadow over COP29, the United Nations-backed international climate talks which kick off Monday in Baku, Azerbaijan. The summit is focused on ramping up finance to tackle the climate crisis.

Global climate negotiations are facing another whiplash moment as Americans seesaw between presidential extremes, said Meyer.

“The US has done this before and the world has gotten kind of tired of this routine,” Meyer said. “On the other hand, the US is a major player on the scene, and I think other countries would want to maintain the ability to try to re-engage it down the road.”

Meyer and other experts said major emitting countries like China and the European Union will have to step up in absence of US climate leadership on the world stage, but added there are concerns other nations will use Trump’s anti-climate stance as an excuse to weaken their own climate ambitions.

In the meantime, global temperatures are climbing. Last month was the second-warmest October, according to Copernicus, and was 1.65 degrees Celsius warmer than pre-industrial levels, when humans began generating fossil fuel pollution.

Extreme weather struck in many places during the month, including Hurricane Milton striking Florida and devastating flash flooding in Spain that killed more than 200 people. Another alarming climate milestones during the month included a lack of snow atop Mt. Fuji in Japan for the first time in 130 years of record keeping.

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Sad but true all. They met up just like a month ago.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/netanyahu-trump-election-win-israel-gaza-rcna178956


Trump’s win means Benjamin Netanyahu has a freer hand to do what he wants
Trump’s first term was a remarkably positive one for Israel and Netanyahu specifically.

Nov. 7, 2024, 11:38 AM PST
By Daniel R. DePetris, fellow at Defense Priorities
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose leadership credentials, judgment and popularity have taken a big hit since Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, attacks on Israel and the subsequent wars in Gaza and Lebanon, can now breathe a little easier. This week has been a godsend for the Israeli premier. On Nov. 5, Netanyahu fired his defense minister, Yoav Gallant, after nearly two years of internal bickering between the two men (who also happen to be members of the same political party). And on the same day, the United States again elected Donald Trump as president.

If Netanyahu were able to vote, he would have gladly cast it for Trump.

If Netanyahu were able to vote, he would have gladly cast it for Trump, not necessarily because he likes the man but because he believes a Trump administration would be far more deferential toward Israel than Kamala Harris would have been.

Netanyahu wasted no time congratulating the former president (and now president-elect) for what he labeled “history’s greatest comeback,” by tweeting a picture of himself, his wife and Trump for good measure.

Gallant’s dismissal was only a matter of time. Within the government, the former Israeli general proved to be the biggest thorn in Netanyahu’s side. He repeatedly questioned Netanyahu’s war strategy against Hamas, emphasized the necessity of broadening the Israeli army’s draft pool to the ultra-Orthodox community and repeatedly told anyone who’d listen that Israel needed to plan for post-war scenarios in Gaza.

Gallant was Israel’s defense minister, but he was also Washington’s man in Jerusalem, someone who could be trusted to bring messages and critiques back to Netanyahu. It just so happened that Gallant mostly agreed with those critiques, the most significant one involving Netanyahu’s habitual refusal to seriously discuss post-war governing arrangements in Gaza.

After a while, Netanyahu couldn’t stand it anymore. With Gallant removed, the U.S. no longer has a chief emissary. And Netanyahu, prone to ignoring or downplaying Washington’s advice, no longer has to worry about whether one of his highest-profile Cabinet members will throw sand in the gears.

Tuesday was technically the second time Gallant has been shown the door. Netanyahu issued Gallant his walking papers in March 2023 after the defense minister expressed concerns about the prime minister’s bid to weaken the powers of the Supreme Court, a move that instigated massive protests across Israel and forced Netanyahu to reinstate him. Ultimately Netanyahu and Gallant were rivals more than partners — Netanyahu viewed Gallant as an irritant who wasn’t a team player, and Gallant saw in Netanyahu a politician who didn’t have Israel’s best interests at heart.

How will Gallant’s dismissal and Trump’s victory affect the wars in Gaza and Lebanon as well as U.S.-Israel relations generally?

There is an assumption that Trump will be more patient with Netanyahu than Harris would have been. Others go further, arguing that Netanyahu will now have the freedom and flexibility to do whatever he wants in Gaza or Lebanon, assuming it doesn’t draw U.S. forces into either one of those conflicts. Even before she was picked to be the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, Harris called for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza. She repeatedly brought up the plight Palestinian civilians face in the coastal territory — more than 43,000 people have died in Gaza since the war started 13 months ago — and went so far as to strongly highlight the humanitarian catastrophe there after she met Netanyahu in July. Trump hasn’t said much on Gaza outside of cryptic statements about Israel needing to finish the war quickly because it’s losing the public relations battle.

Trump’s first term was a remarkably positive one for Israel and Netanyahu specifically. In December 2017, Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moved the U.S. Embassy there, a long-standing Israeli request. In 2018, the Trump administration cut funding to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), the body responsible for caring for Palestinian refugees in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as another $200 million in U.S. aid to the Palestinians. Trump shuttered the Palestinians’ representative office in Washington the same year, formally recognized Israel’s sovereignty of the Golan Heights in 2019 and introduced a Mideast peace plan in 2020 that was so front-loaded with concessions for Israel that it died on the table. Taken together, this all looks quite sunny from Netanyahu’s perspective.

Past success, however, is not indicative of future results. Just because Trump gave Netanyahu a long leash during his first term doesn’t necessarily mean he will act the same way in a second. Trump is a notoriously unpredictable man who, despite expressing his full support to Israel in every capacity, is also interested in making diplomatic history. He doesn’t like to get upstaged or embarrassed in public, something Netanyahu has done repeatedly with President Joe Biden over the last year.

In September, to note one example, Netanyahu agreed in principle to a 21-day cease-fire plan in Lebanon, only to use his speech during the annual U.N. General Assembly to restate his desire for a full military victory. Israel would assassinate Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah shortly thereafter, burying Biden’s skeleton cease-fire proposal six-feet under. Trump, who isn’t afraid to call U.S. partners and allies out, would likely loudly object if Netanyahu did the same to him.

In 2021, after he’d left the White House, Trump said his dream to become the first U.S. president to strike a comprehensive Israeli-Palestinian peace accord was essentially killed by Netanyahu. “My whole life is deals. I’m like one big deal. That’s all I do, so I understand it,” Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid at the time. “I don’t think Bibi ever wanted to make a deal.” If Trump dips his toe into the Mideast peace pool again, it likely won’t take long before personal friction between him and Netanyahu bubbles to the surface. 

One more thing to consider: Trump, for all his bombast about knocking heads and defeating adversaries, is more cautious about using military force than his rhetoric suggests. He talks tough, but he isn’t eager to get into a fight that could be deadly for U.S. troops. Nor does he want to preside over another unwinnable war on his watch, which would damage his reputation as a leader and contradict the phrase he used on the campaign trail: “I will end all wars.” If Israel is too aggressive and draws the U.S. into the fray — there are approximately 43,000 U.S. troops stationed in the Middle East today — the Trump-Netanyahu relationship could go downhill fast.

Ultimately, nobody can predict what Trump’s foreign policy is going to look like because he views unpredictability as a positive character trait. If Netanyahu thinks Trump will suddenly become predictable, then he would be making a big mistake.

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Now this aint with cards this is part old ass prophecy and part common sense.

Trump will negotiate and end the war. Take credit. Then finish what he started with the Abraham Accords.

For now. Then...