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« Reply #1500 on: January 29, 2011, 08:56:16 PM »
My understanding is that the cohort surrounding him has been considered to idealistic, they have been replaced with practical business-oriented types. Apparently they feel his liberal attitudes were heading for electoral disaster. The US is not yet ready for acknowledging the Earth - it's business all the way down.

The problem with this approach, is that those who want more liberal policies desert him, and those who want business policies have their own party, so why would they vote for an imitator?

During the reign of Bush, the global share of the US economy has plummeted from nearly 30% to 22%. The US is hardly a hyperpower it used to be. It is still the biggest muscle on the block, but it is experiencing too many problems. Obama realizes it perfectly well and the bedrock of the US National Security Strategy adopted last year is 'rebuilding the foundation of American power', i.e. economy. You can hardly accomplish it with 'green' policies. Thus, the U-turn.

However, there is not a single political power in the US or in the world  that would prefer green world in the long-term to the economic welfare now.
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« Reply #1501 on: January 29, 2011, 11:58:11 PM »
However, there is not a single political power in the US or in the world  that would prefer green world in the long-term to the economic welfare now.

yep, I believe that's correct.

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« Reply #1502 on: January 30, 2011, 02:25:34 PM »
Egypt's a gonner.
Who will be next?

Those Wikileaks were interesting Juhani, but I find it hard to believe US wants Egypt turned upside down. The US has never been the slightest bit interested in democratic change in other countries (or it's own for that matter).

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« Reply #1503 on: January 30, 2011, 10:55:57 PM »
Those Wikileaks were interesting Juhani, but I find it hard to believe US wants Egypt turned upside down. The US has never been the slightest bit interested in democratic change in other countries (or it's own for that matter).

Allegedly Franklin Delano Roosevelt has said "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch" about a Nicaraguan dictator (historians try to refute that claim, though). The US might be rather indifferent to spreading democracy as such (though there are laws about regime change in other countries, etc.), but it certainly is anxious about the possibility of Middle East exploding in Islamic or some other revolution.

In the case revolution becomes inevitable, the best course of action would be triggering it and trying to direct its progress. As KGB did in Soviet Union by establishing Popular Fronts and trying to guide their activities and agendas.

There have been made (so far unsubstantiated) claims that one of the reasons behind the US invasion of Iraq was so-called 'reverse domino theory' developed by neocons. It means that if the US managed to over throw one ailing regime in the region and create a state that satisfies the interests of its population more, other states would follow.

The strategic rationale behind such a course of action - if one does nothing, the region would blow up in a much more dramatic fashion and prices of fuel would skyrocket.

Anyhow, there's no proof to substantiate the above, just some potentially related bits of information here and there.
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« Reply #1504 on: January 30, 2011, 11:12:08 PM »
What next for Egypt, the USA and the Middle East?


As Washington struggles to come to terms with a rapidly changing Middle East, US President Barack Obama is acutely aware he must get Egypt right, for the wrong side of history eagerly beckons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8290551/What-next-for-Egypt-the-USA-and-the-Middle-East.html

Faced with a dilemma that has long troubled Western leaders, including Britain's, Barack Obama's administration has not covered itself in glory vis à vis Egypt.

Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State, was conspicuously caught between two natural inclinations - encouraging the forces of democracy and preserving an autocratic but deeply loyal friend of the United States and its allies.

Initially, she said that although the US supported "the fundamental rights of expression and assembly", in her view the Egyptian government was "stable".

The next day, as the turmoil deepened in Cairo, she declared that reform "must be on the agenda" of the Egyptian government, which should respond to "active, civil leaders".

Vice President Joe Biden, whose foot is never far from his mouth, rejected the suggestion that Mubarak was a dictator and questioning whether the crowds of Egyptians were indeed making "legitimate claims".

Those were dangerous words. The US provides $1.3 billion military aid annually to Egypt, money which helps fund a repressive apparatus that Washington now more than ever does not want to be closely identified with.

Rather late in proceedings, Mr Obama himself produced a more calibrated response on Friday, edging away from Hosni Mubarak and effectively putting the Egyptian leader on notice. "This moment of volatility has to be turned into a moment of promise," said the US president, who urged that "reforms that meet the aspirations of the Egyptian people".

It was a similar choice of words to that used a day earlier by William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, whose reactions have been less equivocal than the Americans' but equally cautious.

"It is important in this situation to respond positively to legitimate demands for reform... that would be my advice to Egyptian leaders and to many others around the Arab world," he said.

Reform, of course, is very different from regime change, which is what those on the streets of Egypt's cities seem to be demanding, and Mr Obama is acutely aware he must get Egypt right, for the wrong side of history eagerly beckons.

Some in his administration still feel stung by criticism that they did not stand up for Iran's Green Movement when it braved Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's thugs in the summer of 2009.

Failure now to support Egyptian men and women braving police bullets and batons, and being too closely identified with an ageing agent of tyranny, could wipe out Washington's credibility with a generation of young Arabs. Cairo, the very city where the US president famously declared a "new beginning" in relations between the America and the Muslim world early in his presidency, could become the graveyard of that ambition.

Excessive hesitancy as events unfold would furthermore give the US and Britain less leverage in the future of the Middle East's most populous country if - or when - Mr Mubarak leaves the stage to what promises to be a muddled cast of actors, which would include the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups.

The West's support for Mr Mubarak needs little explaining. He has been an ultra-reliable friend in a volatile region. Diplomatic US cables provided courtesy of WikiLeaks have revealed that the Egyptian president cooperated on brokering a ceasefire between Hamas and the Israelis, slowing the flow of arms to militants in Gaza and Washington's initiative on containing Iran.

The cables also disclosed that Mr Mubarak himself habitually warned that by fostering reform in his country, Western powers could open the door to extremism. He often invoked the example of the Shah of Iran, another unpopular secular leader who was deserted by Jimmy Carter with very unhappy consequences.

The comparison however does not quite fit. In Egypt, there is no charismatic fundamentalist such as the Ayatollah Khomeini waiting in the wings. The protestors have not yet hinted at any allegiance with the Brotherhood or any other group which would flower into support for a theocratic rule.

Unfortunately for policy-makers in London and Washington, neither is there a moderate moderniser or enlightened figurehead ready to carry the people's hopes into the breach. A Cory Aquino, Vaclav Havel or Megawati Sukarnoputri always comes in handy when an autocracy is crumbling.

Successive governments on both sides of the Atlantic share the blame for that lack. Mr Mubarak was allowed hog the arena to the heartless exclusion of others. Formerly vice-president to Anwar Sadat, the West stood by as he failed to appoint a vice-president of his own, grooming only his son Gamal for a succession that is now unlikely to happen.

Mr Obama and the current and former British governments have only nudged and prodded Cairo on human rights. For all its liberal pretensions, the US administration in fact ended the policy of publicly naming dissidents and shaming the regime's treatment of them that was part of George W Bush's "freedom agenda". State Department and Foreign Office realpolitik has determined that the risks of pressurising an old ally were too great.

Had Mr Bush not allowed his initiative to liberalise the Middle East be crushed by the weight of the Iraq war, and had Mr Obama done more than offer empty words of encouragement for civic society, Mr Mubarak might - against his expectations - be in a stronger position today. Gradual reform might have gone a long way to preserving his reign and with it his Western friends' stake in a crucial regional power.

In two years, Mr Obama has shown himself to be a quick learner.

Let us hope he absorbs the lesson provided by Egypt and the uprisings elsewhere in the Middle East, which is that clear and consistent support for freedom will, in the long run, serve America best.

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« Reply #1505 on: January 31, 2011, 08:34:16 AM »
Yes, curious cross currents of rationals.

Another view I came across on salon.com is that the dominant rhetoric being sponsored by the US authorities and many US media channels, is that Egypt is about to be taken over by Islamicists. This despite that the Islamic Brotherhood has been very slow to enter the fray in Egypt.

The reason for this is not just pervading Islamophobia in the US, but more importantly the US-Israel alliance. Egypt is the cornerstone of that situation, and has ensured protection of Israel since the 70s. That now looks highly jeopardised. The Egyptian public holds a strong support for Palestinians.

I suppose some may also be aware of the Palestinian Papers, which is undermining legitimacy for the PA as it has been cooperating with Israel against Gaza. It has also been pointed out that Al Jazeera is in Qatar whose government has always had strong links to Hamas.

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« Reply #1506 on: February 01, 2011, 06:31:10 PM »
Ban Ki-moon: World's economic model is 'environmental suicide'

UN secretary general tells Davos panel that an economic revolution is needed to save the planet as he shifts his focus from climate change to sustainability

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jan/28/ban-ki-moon-economic-model-environment

The world's current economic model is an environmental "global suicide pact" that will result in disaster if it isn't reformed, Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, warned today.

Ban said that political and business leaders need to embrace economic innovation in order to save the planet.

"We need a revolution," he told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on how best to make the global economy sustainable. "Climate change is also showing us that the old model is more than obsolete."

He called the current economic model a recipe for "national disaster" and said: "We are running out of time. Time to tackle climate change, time to ensure sustainable … growth." The Guardian revealed yesterday that Ban is ending his hands-on efforts to reach a global climate deal through UN negotiations, and move to focus on a broader sustainability agenda.

His words received a mixed reception from other panelists, including Felipe Calderón, Mexico's president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Indonesia's president, Walmart chief executive, Mike Duke, and Microsoft's Bill Gates.

Jim Balsillie, co-chief executive of BlackBerry maker Research in Motion, said technology alone wouldn't solve the problem of how to sustain economic growth while reducing its impact on the environment. "We have to fundamentally rethink economics," he said, suggesting that a new model was needed to hold businesses to account for their impact on the planet.

Yudhoyono, whose country is often labeled a keeper of one of the world's last major rainforests, said Indonesia was trying to plant 1bn trees a year. But he pushed back against the suggestion that developing countries should give up on their aspiration to achieve the same level of wealth as the rich world.

This view was partly shared by Gates, who said that "you cannot have a just world by telling people to use less energy than the average European". One way to cap the world's consumption and carbon emissions would be to invest in family planning said Gates, who has invested much of his fortune in health projects in the developing world.

The annual meeting of business and political leaders in Davos has been accused by some of producing little more than hot air.

The panel moderator, the New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, said he hoped next year participants would return to the Swiss ski resort "and be able to say that a molecule of CO2 was actually affected by what we say and do here".

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« Reply #1507 on: February 01, 2011, 09:17:03 PM »
Ban said that?
Oh my! Beware the mouse that roared!

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« Reply #1508 on: February 01, 2011, 09:20:55 PM »
"The first flame was lit by a 26-year-old street vendor in Tunisia, Mohamed Bouazizi, when he set himself alight. Angry that the police had confiscated his wares, humiliated when, seeking redress from the local government, a female official slapped his face and spat on him, frustrated when the governor refused to see him, Bouazizi doused himself in petrol and burnt to death...

One of Bouazizi's sisters asked: "What kind of repression do you imagine it takes for a young man to do this?" It's the same kind of repression that moved 11 other young men to set themselves on fire in emulation of Bouazizi in the last two weeks in Egypt, in Algeria, in Mauritiana and in Saudi Arabia...
In 1974, the 19 countries of the Middle East, including North Africa, contained only three democracies - Israel, Lebanon and Turkey.

Since then, the number of democracies in the world has trebled from 40 to 123, according to Freedom House. Yet in the Middle East and North Africa, only one new democracy has been added, Iraq.

How has the Middle East remained somehow immune to one of the great movements in world history? The two answers are oil and US support, and the two are closely intertwined."

[Peter Hartcher is The Sydney Morning Herald's international editor.]

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« Reply #1509 on: February 02, 2011, 09:30:54 AM »
I'm not sure if you are awayre but Al Jazeera has live video coverage of the events in Egypt here:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Also live web blogs at:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/01/31/live-blog-feb-1-egypt-protests
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/01/29/live-blog-301-egypt-protests

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I've heard reports that in the US the media coverage is quite shabby. :P
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« Reply #1510 on: February 02, 2011, 04:49:41 PM »
By some person called John, on a forum a friend of mine uses:

"... the very large and growing population of Egypt, its extremely small arable land area which is being rapidly covered by houses and roads, the total dependence now on food imports to sustain the population or the rapidly falling oil exports with which the Egyptian Government has hitherto paid for food imports and also subsidised both food and petroleum and the natural gas used by the native population.

It is this failure of Egypt's resources to sustain the present population much less sustain a population that is still growing at close to 2% pa and with very large numbers of young still to enter their reproductive years that underlies (and will maintain) Egypt's unsustainable and socially disruptive trajectory.

The calls for democracy are almost irrelevant in the longer term.

A few stats:
 
 Population 1960 27.8 million
   
 Population 2008
  81.7 million
   
 Rainfall average over whole country
  ~50 mm or 2 inches
   
 Arable land (almost entirely in the Nile Valley)
  3%
   
 Arable land per capita
  0.04 Ha (400 M2)
   
 Food imports
  40% of requirements
   
 Grain imports
  60% of requirements
   
 Oil exports
  Declined 26% 2009
   
 Oil exports to fall below imports
  2010 -11
   
 Cost of oil rising steeply
  Cost of oil and food tightly linked"

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« Reply #1511 on: February 02, 2011, 05:14:54 PM »
...population growth per year: 1,300,000 (one birth in every 23 seconds)

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« Reply #1512 on: February 04, 2011, 09:51:45 PM »
Tonight is a big one for Egypt - I'm watching it live on Al Jazeera. This is history for the Arab world. I don't think this is 'Muslim'. In fact it's totally secular - the people driven by the youth are fed up with not being part of the modern world.

They said that during evening prayer, people from other religions were standing guard around Muslims who where saying their prayers.

This is huge - but will the police attack? Somehow I doubt it, but after the yesterday's assaults on journalists, it is expected.

God, this is extraordinary to watch - that this is being broadcast across the world is incredible!  But that is also why it is happening - technology has changed the world. Unfortunately it can't change us personally, but it can play an important role. Just that finally we have to retire from the whole drama, and be alone, silent and alone.
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« Reply #1513 on: February 04, 2011, 10:18:58 PM »
It really is a changing time. Maria Schneider has died. And I am getting old to remember her as a beautiful woman caught in a strange yet iconic film - I think she didn't work as an actor again for a long time after that. Then she played in that amazing film, The Passenger, by Michelangelo Antonioni.







And winds of change are blowing on Mars.
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« Reply #1514 on: February 04, 2011, 11:55:38 PM »
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Mass tree deaths prompt fears of Amazon 'climate tipping point'

Scientists fear billions of tree deaths caused by 2010 drought could see vast forest turn from carbon sink to carbon source

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/feb/03/tree-deaths-amazon-climate


Aerial view of a drought-affected area within the Amazon basin in Manaus, Brazil.

Billions of trees died in the record drought that struck the Amazon in 2010, raising fears that the vast forest is on the verge of a tipping point, where it will stop absorbing greenhouse gas emissions and instead increase them.

The dense forests of the Amazon soak up more than one-quarter of the world's atmospheric carbon, making it a critically important buffer against global warming. But if the Amazon switches from a carbon sink to a carbon source that prompts further droughts and mass tree deaths, such a feedback loop could cause runaway climate change, with disastrous consequences.

"Put starkly, current emissions pathways risk playing Russian roulette with the world's largest forest," said tropical forest expert Simon Lewis, at the University of Leeds, and who led the research published today in the journal Science. Lewis was careful to note that significant scientific uncertainties remain and that the 2010 and 2005 drought – thought then to be of once-a-century severity – might yet be explained by natural climate variation.

"We can't just wait and see because there is no going back," he said. "We won't know we have passed the point where the Amazon turns from a sink to a source until afterwards, when it will be too late."

Alex Bowen, from the London School of Economics and Political Science's Grantham research institute on climate change, said huge emissions of carbon from the Amazon would make it even harder to keep global greenhouse gases at a low enough level to avoid dangerous climate change. "It therefore makes it even more important for there to be strong and urgent reductions in man-made emissions."

The revelation of mass tree deaths in the Amazon is a major blow to efforts to reduce the destruction of the world's forests by loggers, one of the biggest sources of global carbon emissions. The use of satellite imagery by Brazilian law enforcement teams has drastically cut deforestation rates and replanting in Asia had slowed the net loss. Financial deals to protect forests were one of the few areas on which some progress was made at the 2010 UN climate talks in Cancún.

The 2010 Amazonian drought led to the declaration of states-of-emergencies and the lowest ever level of the major tributary, the Rio Negro. Lewis, with colleagues in Brazil, examined satellite-derived rainfall measurements and found that the 2010 drought was even worse than the very severe 2005 drought, affecting a 60% wider area and with an even harsher dry season.

On the ground, the researchers have 126 one-hectare plots spread across the Amazon, in which every single tree is tagged and monitored. After 2005, they counted how many trees had died and worked out how much carbon would be pumped into the atmosphere as the wood rotted. In addition, the reduced growth of the water-stressed trees means the forest failed to absorb the 1.5bn tonnes of carbon that it would in a normal year.

Applying the same principles to the 2010 drought, they estimated that 8.5 billion tonnes of CO2 will be released - more than the entire 7.7bn tonnes emitted in 2009 by China, the biggest polluting nation in the world. This estimate does not include forest fires, which release carbon and increase in dry years.

"The Amazon is such a big area that even a small shift [in conditions] there can have a global impact," said Lewis.

Lewis said that two such severe droughts in the Amazon within five years was highly unusual, but that a natural variation in climate over decade-long periods cannot yet be ruled out. The driving factor of the annual weather patterns is the warmth of the sea in the Atlantic. He said increasing droughts in the Amazon are found in some climate models, including the sophisticated model used by the Hadley centre. This means the 2005 and 2010 droughts are consistent with the idea that global warming will cause more droughts in future, emit more carbon, and potentially lead to runaway climate change. "The greenhouse gases we have already emitted may mean there are several more droughts in the pipeline," he said.

Lewis said that the 2010 drought killed "in the low billions of trees", in addition to the roughly 4 billion trees that die on average in a normal year across the Amazon. The researchers are now trying to raise £500,000 in emergency funding to revisit the plots in the Amazon and gather further data.

Brazilian scientist Paulo Brando, from the Instituto de Pesquisa Ambiental da Amazônia (Amazon Environmental Research Institute), and co-leader of the research said: "We will not know exactly how many trees were killed until we can complete forest measurements on the ground. It could be that many of the drought-susceptible trees were killed off in 2005. Or the first drought may have weakened a large number of trees so increasing the number dying in 2010."

Brando added: "Our results should be seen as an initial estimate. The emissions estimates do not include those from forest fires, which spread over extensive areas of the Amazon during hot and dry years and release large amounts of carbon."

Climate tipping points
Scientists know from the geological record that the Earth's climate can change rapidly. They have identified a number of potential tipping points where relatively small amounts of global warming caused by human activities could cause large changes in climate. Some tipping points, like the losses to the Amazon forests, involve positive feedback loops and could lead to runaway climate change.

Arctic ice cap: The white ice cap is good at reflecting the Sun's warming light back into space. But when it melts, the dark ocean uncovered absorbs this heat. This leads to more melting, and so on.

Tundra: The high north is warming particularly fast, melting the permafrost that has locked up vast amounts of carbon in soils for thousands of years. Bacteria digesting the unfrozen soils generate methane, a potent greenhouse gas, leading to more warming.

Gas hydrates: Also involving methane, this tipping point involves huge reservoirs of methane frozen on or just below the ocean floor. The methane-water crystals are close to their melting point and highly unstable. A huge release could be triggered by a little warming.

West Antarctic ice sheet: Some scientists think this enormous ice sheet, much of which is below sea level, is vulnerable to small amounts of warming. If it all eventually melted, sea level would rise by six metres.

 

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