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Death (the tumbling force, public) => The Cave => Topic started by: Endless Whisper on March 06, 2008, 07:32:21 AM
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Let's look at something interesting on the spiritual path.
First, ego itself seeks the spiritual path. If it really knew better, ego, itd avoid it altogether, cause getting on the spiritual path, means its own death. It fools itself into the whole thing, for numerous reasons.
But one of them is because somewhere, either in childhood or even in early adulthood, it realizes that death doesn't just happen to other people, it can happen to us. Death becomes some realization, which causes the ego to worry, panic.
It could be a close relative dying, a friend, or a sudden brush with death. But something may occur where physical death is a reality.
Other reasons - its own 'fate' in an afterlife. Okay, now Ive got the idea that death is imminent. Im not going to live in the physical world forever. Everything dies. My pet died when I was four. My mom when I was 23. I know oneday I will too. Where do I go, later, if anywhere at all?
Ego runs around looking for answers because its unsure of this, and wants to ensure its survival. Its told there's a heaven, a hell. Its told there's rebirth and reincarnation. There's a possibility of immortality! Hey cool! I get on the spiritual path, not only can I ensure my survival, I can even attain a better life here, maybe, and then an even better afterlife, so I can go on, whoo whee!
However, then ego, reaches a standstill. It hears about, ego death, and it has to be eliminated. It begins to be examined. It reads and reads about ego having to be taken out of the equation and stands like a deer in headlights "huh?" And this is the icing on the cake, the grand poo baaaaaaaa of all time. It "ego" searches for "ego" to go take an axe to and cut off from itself and make sure, this 'other ego' doesnt get in the way.
And yet, alas, its all ego.
That might be what KW was saying about the 'closed loop.' That lanky bald man is right. Ego is a closed loop, and what can break the barrier to our ego.
Firstly, truth itself gives ego a jolt. When our egos are faced with an undeniable truth, one that is solid, there is no arguing back with truth. So when it falls into the pool of truth, it drowns itself in it, whether it likes it or not.
Truth, another truth, is we all have an ego. Lets get past the 'word' ego. Weve come to label the thing. E-G-O. We see it, we think of it as a three letter word that begins with an 'e.' Take out the 'e' and put in a 'd' its god. But the D is for death, to be god realized, etc, got to take out the e which stands for ego, cut it off, stick in a d for death, then we have god, and nothing else, nothing more.
Thats the difficult part. Ego cannot slay ego. Thats stupid. Only God can.
So, you're far along the path enough, cause you're on a spiritual path, you've heard of the ego. You know pretty much what it means. But how can you know for certain, that ego is in charge, or not? And how sure are you, that you've fooled yourself, or not?
Ego is the part of us which initially steps on the spiritual path. Everyone's egos takes the first step, wears the shoes. But the last step, doesn't belong to the ego. The step out of the loop of madness, off the wheel, wont be it, no matter what.
Always too late to turn back - that is the way it goes.
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Lets get past the 'word' ego.
Personally I find it difficult to get past the word 'ego' in a general discussion. The word itself and what it represents, not to mention the idea 'ego-death', has different meaning in different context. I suppose that is why if one were to google 'ego-death', one would find explanations as varied as the different paths, both mystical and not.
In one context, ego-death would be the experience of loss of identity; of an "I". In another context, it would be the transformation of self-centredness. In yet another context, the loss of self--importance.
Some see ego-death as a temporary state achievable by various methods, and others only as an ultimate goal. For some, ego is the same as the self, for others it is not.
One thing though I am certain on, when one starts exploring the idea of an 'ego', it is like you say, difficult to turn back. Can take you to places the 'ego' would not have thought of!!
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In one context, ego-death would be the experience of loss of identity; of an "I". In another context, it would be the transformation of self-centredness. In yet another context, the loss of self--importance.
All the same thing.
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All the same thing.
maybe so. certainly provides sufficient material for a multitude of writings..
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maybe so. certainly provides sufficient material for a multitude of writings..
Probably cause people like to talk about egos, cause they like to talk about themselves, even if by proxy ;)
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Probably cause people like to talk about egos, cause they like to talk about themselves, even if by proxy ;)
aint that the truth!
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The thing about talking about the ego ......
is that you invoke the ego, for better or worse! ;D
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The thing about talking about the ego ......
is that you invoke the ego, for better or worse! ;D
Yeah, I wake up and its invoked, Im asleep its invoked. Egos have some use though, I think so anyway. Why cut it off from myself, oh im talkin about myself again. Oh no, the endless battle! :D
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I often find myself not only talking about myself.. but it's to myself that I am talking about myself.. we have great conversations!! :D
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Yeah, I wake up and its invoked, Im asleep its invoked. Egos have some use though, I think so anyway. Why cut it off from myself, oh im talkin about myself again. Oh no, the endless battle! :D
Talking about the "ego" is where I really trip up on my syntaxes. Different spiritual systems put it into different lights, most of them negative.
But see, I was in mental health for 25-some years, and "ego" was used in the Freudian sense, which, if healthy, was a good thing.
So I always have to stop and get my bearings before I speak about it. (Where am I? What are the operative definitions?) But mostly, I don't speak about it, just because discussions of it can get gnarly sometimes.
Not this discussion, of course, which is full of elan!
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There was a cowherd boy who took his cows to the meadows every morning and brought them back to the cowshed at the end of the day. One evening, as he was tying the cows up for the night, the boy found that one of them was missing her rope. He feared that she might run away, but it was too late to go and buy a new rope. The boy didn't know what to do, so he went to a wise man who lived nearby and sought his advice. The wise man told the boy to pretend to tie the cow, and make sure that the cow saw him doing it. The boy did as the wise man suggested and pretended to tie the cow. The next morning the boy discovered that the cow had remained still throughout the night. He untied all the cows as usual, and they all went outside. He was about to go to the meadows when he noticed that the cow with the missing rope was still in the cowshed. She was standing on the same spot where she had been all night. He tried to coax her to join the herd, but she wouldn't budge. The boy was perplexed. He went back to the wise man who said, "The cow still thinks she is tied up. Go back and pretend to untie her." The boy did as he was told, and the cow happily left the cowshed. This is what the guru does with the ego of the disciple. The guru helps untie that which was never there. Like the cow, due to our ignorance, we believe that we are bound by the ego when, in fact, we are completely free. We need to be convinced of this, however.
-Mother Amma (Mata Amritanandamayi)
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Kris,
Do you believe you're free? Im just curious. Reminds me of:
The primal consciousness-mistake,
from what the Hindu sages tell,
is thinking that the rope's a snake.
The error we so simply make
when we take emptiness for hell
(the primal consciousness-mistake)
comes before thought. The rope we take
for serpent, is just hemp — how well
in seeing, it becomes a snake.
We jump and scream and grab the rake
to kill the cobra, and we've made
the primal consciousness-mistake.
The coil of fibre for whose sake
we catch our breath and leap and yell
becomes in mind a "rope" or "snake".
The fright is real, the snake's a fake
and we the victims of the spell —
the primal consciousness-mistake
of sensing rope and seeing snake.
~Michael Cope
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Thats basically what illusions are - illusions, not real, but the effect is real.
Like men waking up from a wet dream - the dream sex was unreal, but the stains on the sheets = real. The effect is real.
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Kris,
Do you believe you're free? Im just curious.
Free?
From?
z
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Free?
From?
z
I didnt say from. Just said, free.
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Sorry, if i'm interrupting you two :) ... power posters!!! You guys have posted 4 posts while I'm composing my measley one ... anyway... ;D
ego |ˈēgō|
noun ( pl. egos)
a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance : a boost to my ego.
• Psychoanalysis the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity. Compare with id and superego .
• an overly high opinion of oneself : some major players with really big egos.
• Philosophy (in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.
Ok ... I know most people don't like definitions ... i don't care for them much myself. But this one helped me understand "ego". I see two parts ... one is the "self-importance", the naughty "me, me" part, and the other is the "self-esteem", the more humble, open-minded part.
So stroke your ego ... the positive part. After all, we're stuck with it until we die (or maybe even after .. who really knows?), right?
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Kris,
Do you believe you're free? Im just curious.
Yes ... he's free, and he's also easy :-*
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I didnt say from. Just said, free.
Eh, this is one of those language thingies.....What did Uber call it?? Binary language?
"Free" reminds me of the words: "Improvement," or "Believe."
Am I Free? Am I Improving? Do I believe?
Sure.
8)
I'm almost perfect.
Eh?
z
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Eh, this is one of those language thingies.....What did Uber call it?? Binary language?
"Free" reminds me of the words: "Improvement," or "Believe."
Am I Free? Am I Improving? Do I believe?
Sure.
8)
I'm almost perfect.
Eh?
z
Okay, good point. Free is one of those terms which when you hear it, it means something different to everyone.
I can say I live in a free country, in that respect, I suppose I could think Im free. But really Im not, cause there are rules, and I can 'keep my freedom' as long as I obey the rules.
I break them, the law, the price is my freedom. I lose it, if I break the rules society, government, set in and called 'laws.'
In the spiritual, there are laws, too. The tricky part is, even what those laws are. Finding if they exist or not. Heaven or hell, reincarnated into a gnat. Hell or demon realm of the Bardo. There appears to be consenquences for actions, even thoughts, in the spiritual. I have to figure 'out' the system, and still work within the system. So, am I free, if I have to work within the system of some design, whether it be an omniscent, omnipresent, superconscious of an entity, or simply spiritual and universal 'laws.'
Samsara - if I want to be 'free' of samsara I have to get nirvana - thats my ticket off the wheel. But im still in a system, I have to work in. The only thing, really, I assess, we can be 'free' of, is free of that which keeps us trapped, hooked, craving things which keep us bound. Until we can cease all that, we're not free. We crave, so ego creates an ID, urging us to 'do this and that' or 'be this and that' cause its trying to get satisfied. Its a cup with a hole in it. So to myself, until we're completely free of all that, we're not really 'free.'
Totally my opinion tho. Maybe.
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Sorry, if i'm interrupting you two :) ... power posters!!! You guys have posted 4 posts while I'm composing my measley one ... anyway... ;D
ego |ˈēgō|
noun ( pl. egos)
a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance : a boost to my ego.
• Psychoanalysis the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity. Compare with id and superego .
• an overly high opinion of oneself : some major players with really big egos.
• Philosophy (in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.
Ok ... I know most people don't like definitions ... i don't care for them much myself. But this one helped me understand "ego". I see two parts ... one is the "self-importance", the naughty "me, me" part, and the other is the "self-esteem", the more humble, open-minded part.
So stroke your ego ... the positive part. After all, we're stuck with it until we die (or maybe even after .. who really knows?), right?
I love words and definitions. Post all the dictionary stuff you want. I see words within words, so doesnt bother me. Im symbolically obsessed with tarot art, mandalas, and with words anagrams.
I may have to disagree with the mediator between the conscious and unconscious. But thats cause its freud. Jung, subconscious is the 'mediator' between the conscious and unconscious. Ego is located in the conscious mind, but keeps things very narrow in the realm. Its a dot within a vast expanse of consciousness. It looks through the AP lens, and views the world. The world isnt really distorted (well, maybe a little), the lens gets dirty cause ego keeps control over it, like fingerprints on a lens, it keeps moving it here and there, dirtying the lens and either taking 'in' images and when in mind, perceiving them oddly, or projecting itself onto the world in various ways.
But to killing the ego, in reality, you can't in the cut off manner, you can only transform, then transcend the ego. Transform first - then transcend. We have to do the 'work' of transforming it, because we still learn about our little ticks, quirks, temperments, face things like fear, anger, love, hate, greed, passion, desire, compassion, resentment, despair, wonderment, awe, etc.
Are we stuck with it, yes - but in its present condition? Like you said, 'stuck with it, until we die...' You said it, not me :D
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Okay, good point. Free is one of those terms which when you hear it, it means something different to everyone.
I can say I live in a free country, in that respect, I suppose I could think Im free. But really Im not, cause there are rules, and I can 'keep my freedom' as long as I obey the rules.
I break them, the law, the price is my freedom. I lose it, if I break the rules society, government, set in and called 'laws.'
In the spiritual, there are laws, too. The tricky part is, even what those laws are. Finding if they exist or not. Heaven or hell, reincarnated into a gnat. Hell or demon realm of the Bardo. There appears to be consenquences for actions, even thoughts, in the spiritual. I have to figure 'out' the system, and still work within the system. So, am I free, if I have to work within the system of some design, whether it be an omniscent, omnipresent, superconscious of an entity, or simply spiritual and universal 'laws.'
Samsara - if I want to be 'free' of samsara I have to get nirvana - thats my ticket off the wheel. But im still in a system, I have to work in. The only thing, really, I assess, we can be 'free' of, is free of that which keeps us trapped, hooked, craving things which keep us bound. Until we can cease all that, we're not free. We crave, so ego creates an ID, urging us to 'do this and that' or 'be this and that' cause its trying to get satisfied. Its a cup with a hole in it. So to myself, until we're completely free of all that, we're not really 'free.'
Totally my opinion tho. Maybe.
I think true freedom comes, or maybe "starts" when we detach ourselves from fear. All of these things you mention ... trapped, hooked, crave ... they do keep us bound ... bound out of fear.
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I think true freedom comes, or maybe "starts" when we detach ourselves from fear. All of these things you mention ... trapped, hooked, crave ... they do keep us bound ... bound out of fear.
Which is why Fear is numero uno of the Four Enemies, and Shadow is the first archetype to face (main interpersonal one), when working toward Jung's individuation of self.
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In the spiritual, there are laws, too. The tricky part is, even what those laws are. Finding if they exist or not. Heaven or hell, reincarnated into a gnat. Hell or demon realm of the Bardo. There appears to be consenquences for actions, even thoughts, in the spiritual. I have to figure 'out' the system, and still work within the system. So, am I free, if I have to work within the system of some design, whether it be an omniscent, omnipresent, superconscious of an entity, or simply spiritual and universal 'laws.'
Only if you Fear those "systems", or feel confined to "follow" those laws.
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Only if you Fear those "systems", or feel confined to "follow" those laws.
Do you believe there's universal laws though? Not talking morality - thats more human impressions of laws. But basic, universal laws.
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Do you believe there's universal laws though? Not talking morality - thats more human impressions of laws. But basic, universal laws.
Define universal laws.
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Do you believe there's universal laws though? Not talking morality - thats more human impressions of laws. But basic, universal laws.
<<<butts his booty on in here>>
Of course there's Universal laws. How does one perceive them though? What we look at, see, or what 'is' may be completely different from what's perceived as such...
z
<<butts his booty back out>>
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<<<butts his booty on in here>>
Of course there's Universal laws. How does one perceive them though? What we look at, see, or what 'is' may be completely different from what's perceived as such...
z
<<butts his booty back out>>
Which makes me think my answer would be ... No, there are no universal laws.
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Which makes me think my answer would be ... No, there are no universal laws.
Okay, lets begin with one at a time:
Law of Attraction. Does it exist, yes or no? Im not talking like we discussed, the book of secrets sense. Just basic, law of attraction. Stripped down, no dryer sheet - static, attracts fuzzies.
Believe?
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<<<butts his booty on in here>>
Of course there's Universal laws. How does one perceive them though? What we look at, see, or what 'is' may be completely different from what's perceived as such...
z
<<butts his booty back out>>
LOL. Yes, I agree there's universal laws. Tao symbol is a hint of them :)
(http://www.thetao.info/images/tao.gif)
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Oh shit, Michael's gonna freak out when he gets back. Hanuman's gonna go ape-shit! Good discussions, nothing worthy of hand in the fog, but all that reading to make sure we're all being good boys and girls.... LMAO!
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Oh shit, Michael's gonna freak out when he gets back. Hanuman's gonna go ape-shit! Good discussions, nothing worthy of hand in the fog, but all that reading to make sure we're all being good boys and girls.... LMAO!
Ellen, he's not the Nagual ...he's just a naughty boy ;) Get over it :-*
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Okay, lets begin with one at a time:
Law of Attraction. Does it exist, yes or no? Im not talking like we discussed, the book of secrets sense. Just basic, law of attraction. Stripped down, no dryer sheet - static, attracts fuzzies.
Believe?
If we believe it's true, then it will be true. What if there were no "Law of Attraction"? What would be it's name? It would just BE. There are no laws ...there is only what we believe. If we can get past "beliefs", let them go, then we can See everything for what it truly is and not what everyone "believes" that it is. That is it ... All stripped down to the bone.
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Ellen, he's not the Nagual ...he's just a naughty boy ;) Get over it :-*
Nah, far from it. Im both the Nagual, and a Naughty girl! Michael's just hanging out with me to be popular, you know ;)
(Just kidding, LOL Just kidding)!
I expect a PM for that one - back to law of attraction and universal laws! :D :D :D
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Nah, far from it. Im both the Nagual, and a Naughty girl! Michael's just hanging out with me to be popular, you know ;)
(Just kidding, LOL Just kidding)!
I expect a PM for that one - back to law of attraction and universal laws! :D :D :D
Stop going with the masses. There are no laws, dump your "beliefs" ... define yourself woman!
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Im both the Nagual, and a Naughty girl!
Ok, forget the naughty girl (aren't we all), and forget about what the big M will think. You Are the Adept ... 'tis a game we play ;) ... post as the Adept. Speak up so we can hear you, k?
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Stop going with the masses. There are no laws, dump your "beliefs" ... define yourself woman!
are "universal laws" beliefs or result of experience? Jumping of the roof of my house while 'awake', i will most likely crash. Jumping of the roof of my house while dreaming (or in the one case, window sill :D ) I flew.. so.. is "gravity" - the 'attraction between ground and moi a law or a belief?
Please settle this before I try it again!! :D
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If we believe it's true, then it will be true.
Ok, now you sound like Mayflow, LOL. Not that simple. Belief can only carry us so far.
Okay, look. Real basic stuff. I wake up, like Tracy Turnblad in Hairspray.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fjss4dErY9c
Now, with others I meet, I can be perky, happy, smile and hold open doors for sweet old ladies. Walk the blind man across the street who lost his seeing eye dog. I will 'attract' more positive responses.
Now, second scenario, I wake up, and I make it a point, to tell everyone I see, "eff you loser," just, any stranger on the street. That sweet old lady I slam the door on her and give her the finger. I trip the blind man and run off laughing with his seeing eye dog. I tell the police officer directing traffic to blow me. What will I 'attract' then? Certainly not the same, response, as the other scenario. I may be beaten, malled by the seeing eye dog, punched, cussed outs a given. Im doomed.
law of attraction. Like attracts like. I act like an ass, Im gonna get a return on that investment.
And has nothing to do with my core beliefs, or if I believe in the law of attraction. Feel me now?
What if there were no "Law of Attraction"? What would be it's name?
We might have a barren planet. One of the reasons for the law of attraction is survival of the species - all species, for as long as possible. :) See, we are bound to some laws....
It would just BE. There are no laws ...there is only what we believe. If we can get past "beliefs", let them go, then we can See everything for what it truly is and not what everyone "believes" that it is. That is it ... All stripped down to the bone.
Is it the word 'law' maybe thats the issue?
Law of Opposites. Opposites do attract. Polarities - Like a jigsaw puzzle, say people even, some are attracted to people who are nothing like each other, but we may say they're complimentary. Not the exact same as 'duality' cause dont need an opposition necessarily.
Like the article I posted 'warrior mind,' the Padded Attacker, was a mirror of her own fear. Hes an attacker, he mirrors back to her, fear. A woman who is walking in a parking lot at night, here comes an attacker, but he also spots one who is walking confident, fast, she looks tough. Another looks meek, scaredy, dainty. Whos he probably going to jump? The one who he can defeat cause he's a coward. Hes going to attack the one he can overpower with fear. Opposites. Aggressive vs Passive. But then he attacks, little meek girl turns into Ninja woman and beats his ass, then we call it another universal law, law of karma :)
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are "universal laws" beliefs or result of experience? Jumping of the roof of my house while 'awake', i will most likely crash. Jumping of the roof of my house while dreaming (or in the one case, window sill :D ) I flew.. so.. is "gravity" - the 'attraction between ground and moi a law or a belief?
Please settle this before I try it again!! :D
It is certainly a belief.
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It is certainly a belief.
Ah.. so you believe in the "you are what you believe" thingy? Totally?
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Ah.. so you believe in the "you are what you believe" thingy? Totally?
'Thingy.'
Heh....one of my favs..............
z
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Oh no, "You believe its a belief? Isn't that a belief?"
Oh my God, its the I AM DAMNED THREAD!
We're cornering ego into a spiritual path, and trapped his little butt on a thread about universal laws and beliefs. Ego is going down to-night!
(And technically Zam stuck his butt 'in and out' which only seems to be prophetic, proving thus this point)!
I think the "Big Mind" has rounded up the kitty coral of "little mind" and is using ropes and snakes and a spool of hemp to do it! :D
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You folks....Yes, you!
We have it all, now...
Ego, beliefs, naughty naguals, my butt, universal laws, snakes, kitties and spools of hemp.
Sounds like a bash from the good ole' days....
z
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Oh my God, its the I AM DAMNED THREAD!
"It was bound to happen sooner or later"! Belief or not? ;) :D
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Gawd ..this sucks ...it took me more than 3 minutes to post, so I lost my post ... whatever here's what I recovered....
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
Ok, now you sound like Mayflow, LOL.
Parvati: I'll take that as a compliment
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
Now, with others I meet, I can be perky, happy, smile and hold open doors for sweet old ladies. Walk the blind man across the street who lost his seeing eye dog. I will 'attract' more positive responses.
Parvati: Why can't that be a natural response. Why does it have to be an effort?
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
Now, second scenario, I wake up, and I make it a point, to tell everyone I see, "eff you loser," just, any stranger on the street. That sweet old lady I slam the door on her and give her the finger. I trip the blind man and run off laughing with his seeing eye dog. I tell the police officer directing traffic to blow me. What will I 'attract' then? Certainly not the same, response, as the other scenario. I may be beaten, malled by the seeing eye dog, punched, cussed outs a given. Im doomed.
Parvati: That would take soooo much more energy, of course, imho.
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
law of attraction. Like attracts like. I act like an ass, Im gonna get a return on that investment.
And has nothing to do with my core beliefs, or if I believe in the law of attraction. Feel me now?
Parvati: No... that's your Karma belief.
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
We might have a barren planet. One of the reasons for the law of attraction is survival of the species - all species, for as long as possible. See, we are bound to some laws....
Parvati: Only a "belief".
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
Is it the word 'law' maybe thats the issue?
Parvati: No, there are laws, like I have to stop at a stop sign, so I don't kill ppl, but universal laws are belief systems that we get waaaay too attached to.
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
But then he attacks, little meek girl turns into Ninja woman and beats his ass, then we call it another universal law, law of karma
Parvati: Again ... that Karma belief.
Drop your beliefs ... what are you left with? Standing out there Naked in the cold freezing wind...
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You folks....Yes, you!
We have it all, now...
Ego, beliefs, naughty naguals, my butt, universal laws, snakes, kitties and spools of hemp.
Sounds like a bash from the good ole' days....
z
Ill toss in my bra to the pile and light it all with a match - yeah s'mores anyone? Bonfire of the Vanities tonight - ego must die, ja ja? ;D ;D ;D
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Ah.. so you believe in the "you are what you believe" thingy? Totally?
Totally ... it's all you babe! ;D
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You folks....Yes, you!
We have it all, now...
Ego, beliefs, naughty naguals, my butt, universal laws, snakes, kitties and spools of hemp.
Sounds like a bash from the good ole' days....
z
time to hand out the party balloons!!! quickly!! before time disappears on us too!!! :D
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Totally ... it's all you babe! ;D
I keep telling everyone that... but no-one wants to BELIEVE me!!!! :o :D
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Ill toss in my bra to the pile and light it all with a match - yeah s'mores anyone? Bonfire of the Vanities tonight - ego must die, ja ja? ;D ;D ;D
Die EGO Die!!!!!!! 8)
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I keep telling everyone that... but no-one wants to BELIEVE me!!!! :o :D
It IS ;) ... you go girl!
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Just a thought. You know what would be hysterical? Michael logs in tomorrow and we have ten pages of this thread on the radar, Hanuman can barely get his fighting gear together, but goes back to bed cause hey? Its sunday hell?
I think we should corner Hanuman too. Just for fun. Are you with me folks!? LOL
Okay back to universal laws ;) *shhhhh me*
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Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
Now, second scenario, I wake up, and I make it a point, to tell everyone I see, "eff you loser," just, any stranger on the street. That sweet old lady I slam the door on her and give her the finger. I trip the blind man and run off laughing with his seeing eye dog. I tell the police officer directing traffic to blow me. What will I 'attract' then? Certainly not the same, response, as the other scenario. I may be beaten, malled by the seeing eye dog, punched, cussed outs a given. Im doomed.
Parvati: That would take soooo much more energy, of course, imho.
Nah.. it takes the same amount of energy to "nice" or "nasty".. :P (imho ;) )
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Die EGO Die!!!!!!! 8)
LMAO!
Well, hey, lets corner that ego, and unmask it, reveal its TRUE FACE!!!
Look in the middle, its not a dark buddha, but Happy Bunny, in the center of the Bardo Mandala!!
Behold - the Asuras and Devas - Heaven and Hell and all in between! *muwahaha*
(http://www.coolposters.com/images/posters/thumbnails/48985.jpg)
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Just a thought. You know what would be hysterical? Michael logs in tomorrow and we have ten pages of this thread on the radar, Hanuman can barely get his fighting gear together, but goes back to bed cause hey? Its sunday hell?
I think we should corner Hanuman too. Just for fun. Are you with me folks!? LOL
Okay back to universal laws ;) *shhhhh me*
Would you STOP worrying about M! He'll be laughing when he sees all of this. Great morning entertainment ;)
now back to You being the Adept. Drop all of your Buddha attachments and what do you See?
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Feed the Ego ... Feed the Eagle
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Ah but its all a trap really.
Its a belief to believe there are no universal laws :D
Gawd ..this sucks ...it took me more than 3 minutes to post, so I lost my post ... whatever here's what I recovered....
Quote from: Endless Whisper on Today at 09:05:12 PM
Ok, now you sound like Mayflow, LOL.
Parvati: I'll take that as a compliment
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Now, with others I meet, I can be perky, happy, smile and hold open doors for sweet old ladies. Walk the blind man across the street who lost his seeing eye dog. I will 'attract' more positive responses.
Parvati: Why can't that be a natural response. Why does it have to be an effort?
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Now, second scenario, I wake up, and I make it a point, to tell everyone I see, "eff you loser," just, any stranger on the street. That sweet old lady I slam the door on her and give her the finger. I trip the blind man and run off laughing with his seeing eye dog. I tell the police officer directing traffic to blow me. What will I 'attract' then? Certainly not the same, response, as the other scenario. I may be beaten, malled by the seeing eye dog, punched, cussed outs a given. Im doomed.
Parvati: That would take soooo much more energy, of course, imho.
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law of attraction. Like attracts like. I act like an ass, Im gonna get a return on that investment.
And has nothing to do with my core beliefs, or if I believe in the law of attraction. Feel me now?
Parvati: No... that's your Karma belief.
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We might have a barren planet. One of the reasons for the law of attraction is survival of the species - all species, for as long as possible. See, we are bound to some laws....
Parvati: Only a "belief".
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Is it the word 'law' maybe thats the issue?
Parvati: No, there are laws, like I have to stop at a stop sign, so I don't kill ppl, but universal laws are belief systems that we get waaaay too attached to.
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But then he attacks, little meek girl turns into Ninja woman and beats his ass, then we call it another universal law, law of karma
Parvati: Again ... that Karma belief.
Drop your beliefs ... what are you left with? Standing out there Naked in the cold freezing wind...
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Okay, zap the word karma cause its really, the utmost loaded word on the planet.
Law of Cause and Effect. Exists, yes or no?
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Okay, zap the word karma cause its really, the utmost loaded word on the planet.
Law of Cause and Effect. Exists, yes or no?
That's not a Law!!!!
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Okay, zap the word karma cause its really, the utmost loaded word on the planet.
Law of Cause and Effect. Exists, yes or no?
Eh, you sound like the Marivingian from The Matix, Reloaded.
Good dialogue though....
K
Besides, that's not a law, that's a very naughty effect!
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Nah.. it takes the same amount of energy to "nice" or "nasty".. :P (imho ;) )
It takes more time and energy to be nasty. Nice is easy .. and fun! Nasty is stressful ... of course, IMHO ;)
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Would you STOP worrying about M! He'll be laughing when he sees all of this. Great morning entertainment ;)
OH, shit you dont know him, LOL It depends. You dont understand, he makes it a point to criticize my 'inner happy bunny' any chance he gets. Law of attraction - he has something against happy bunnies with with attitude ;)
now back to You being the Adept. Drop all of your Buddha attachments and what do you See?
Happy Bunny Buddha ADEPT Nagual Goddess Supreme, you're on sista!
Okay, Law of Cause and Effect - post a thread about ego and all hell breaks loose, but there's some fun on it too, ja? ;D
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Drop your beliefs ... what are you left with? Standing out there Naked in the cold freezing wind...
Good lord!!! Is that what happens?? No blanket even??
Many beliefs I have managed to change; there are some though that I haven't, so don't really know what it's like to have no beliefs at all, since once I start thinking about beliefs, I am in the realm where beliefs hold sway. It's interesting though that at certain moments, I suppose that could be called when one is fully (or close to fully) present, the question of "belief" doesn't enter thought at all.
We could just as easily say all is belief, as much as all is experience. My expereince in a way becomes my belief, and my belief most often than not, will provide my experience.
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That's not a Law!!!!
Totally a Law, a facet of it is Causality!
Seriously here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
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Eh, you sound like the Marivingian from The Matix, Reloaded.
Good dialogue though....
K
Besides, that's not a law, that's a very naughty effect!
Dude there'd be no effect without a cause, a law cause :D Take the pebble from my hand, and when you can do it, you're outa the shaolin temple - law of cause and effect! :D
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It takes more time and energy to be nasty. Nice is easy .. and fun! Nasty is stressful ... of course, IMHO ;)
You find being nasty stressful? Is it the word "nasty"? :P
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Okay, zap the word karma cause its really, the utmost loaded word on the planet.
Law of Cause and Effect. Exists, yes or no?
Are you talking about the "ripple" effect of the butterfly ... the effect of the change in gas prices because the rich want to get richer, or the effect of global warming, or the effect of my mortgage rate changing....??? They are all cause and effect. Are there laws governing this? Ah... no ... it's just change and how we Re-Act to it.
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We could just as easily say all is belief, as much as all is experience. My expereince in a way becomes my belief, and my belief most often than not, will provide my experience.
Ding ding!
Bonus points from the big M on that one, I'm sure of it!
<<bows>>
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Dude there'd be no effect without a cause, a law cause :D Take the pebble from my hand, and when you can do it, you're outa the shaolin temple - law of cause and effect! :D
Gooood lourd woman! There is no shaolin temple!
There is no spoon!
;D
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Ding ding!
Bonus points from the big M on that one, I'm sure of it!
<<bows>>
ah.. cause and effect eh?
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ah.. cause and effect eh?
There is no cause and effect!
There is no spoon!
Eh, maybe that's been worn out.
8)
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Totally a Law, a facet of it is Causality!
Seriously here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
There is nothing in wiki, which is always right ;) , that says anything about "law"
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There is no cause and effect!
There is no spoon!
Eh, maybe that's been worn out.
8)
Well.. there was enough of a cause to effect you to post!!! :D
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Well.. there was enough of a cause to effect you to post!!! :D
Hmmm....was it the cause or the effect?
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There is nothing in wiki, which is always right ;) , that says anything about "law"
You don't believe in wiki?? :o
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Dude there'd be no effect without a cause, a law cause :D Take the pebble from my hand, and when you can do it, you're outa the shaolin temple - law of cause and effect! :D
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo&feature=related
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Hmmm....was it the cause or the effect?
You tell me! ;)
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You don't believe in wiki?? :o
Yes, all is calm in the jungle now.
Wiki is the Universal Law. ;D
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You don't believe in wiki?? :o
The Universal Law of Wikipenia!
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The Universal Law of Wikipenia!
haha
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The Universal Law of Wikipenia!
Oops! Wikipedia!
A freudian slip, no doubt ;)
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Oops! Wikipedia!
A freudian slip, no doubt ;)
Gosh! Imagine what would happen to this thread were we to bring him in too!! :D
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Ok .. are done with ego? Is ego gone yet? Bye, bye miss egomaniac pie, drove my chevy to the levy and the levy was dry. Them good ol' boys drinkin' whiskey and rye, singin' this will be the day that I die....
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Gosh! Imagine what would happen to this thread were we to bring him in too!! :D
You mean the Id, the Ego, and the Superego :o
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Are you talking about the "ripple" effect of the butterfly ... the effect of the change in gas prices because the rich want to get richer, or the effect of global warming, or the effect of my mortgage rate changing....??? They are all cause and effect. Are there laws governing this? Ah... no ... it's just change and how we Re-Act to it.
Okay, so you agree there's a cause and effect which exists. Its hard to argue back with cause and effect. Im walking and I trip over a rock. What caused me tripping? My walking, or the rock? Both, really. But there is a cause. And the effect is I trip.
I could also be walking, spot the rock, kick it, and keep walking. Cause, kicking the rock, effect, rock goes flying. Basic stuff. Cause and Effect is based on action. There has to be action, for this to occur.
Newton, did deem these as laws:
First Law: Law of Inertia - A physical body will remain at rest, or continue to move at a constant velocity, unless an unbalanced net force acts upon it.
Second Law: Law of Acceleration - The net force on a body is equal to its mass multiplied by its acceleration.
Third Law: Law of Reciprocal Actions - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Its a matter of physics. Physical Body, in the world of the Tonal, of Matter, we are bound to these laws.
Tao symbol, Kris knows this from martial arts - best way to deal, is go with the 'flow' and not go 'against' the flow.
Kris, what happens if you go against the flow vs with it?
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Ok .. are done with ego? Is ego gone yet? Bye, bye miss egomaniac pie, drove my chevy to the levy and the levy was dry. Them good ol' boys drinkin' whiskey and rye, singin' this will be the day that I die....
No, no, no...
Haven't you remembered those we are sampling tonight?
Woodchuck Draft Cider
Long Hammer India Pale Ale
Michelob Ultra Pomegranete Raspberry (several others as well...very tasty!)
Sun Dog Amber Wheat
Shock Top Belgian White
(I'm not digging the rest out of the trash)
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Gooood lourd woman! There is no shaolin temple!
There is no spoon!
;D
Yes there is, and Bodhidharma by legend brought Kung Fu and Zen Buddhism to the monks - you know that :D
A shaolin priest can walk through walls, darn you! :D
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo&feature=related
Oh I so totally saw that last night - I love Master Po!
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Smile, an everlasting smile
A smile can bring you near to me
Don't ever let me find you wrong
Cause that would bring a tear to me
This world has lost it's glory
Lets start a brand new story
Now my love
You think that I don't even mean
A single word I say...
It's only words
And words are all I have
To take your heart away
Talk, in everlasting words
And dedicate them all, to me
And I will give you all my life
I'm here if you should call to me
You think that I don't even mean
a single word I say...
CHORUS, repeat
Da da da da da da da
Da da da da da da da da
Da da da da da da da da
Da da da da da da da da
This world has lost it's glory
Let's start a brand new story
Now, my love
You think that I don't even mean
a single word I say...
Beegees
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Kris, what happens if you go against the flow vs with it?
El ... stop "struggling" ... rise up :)
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Kris, what happens if you go against the flow vs with it?
Struggle.
PS Damn Ang, quit taking words outta my mouth! You must have heard old 'thunder lips' lecturing once or twiice ;)
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Oh I so totally saw that last night - I love Master Po!
I found that when you posted your Kung Fu stuff. I used to watch that show a lot, back in the day ;)
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Struggle.
heh! ... we're sitting right across from each other and posting the same shit.
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OH this is fricken awesome!
Speaking of grasshoppers, shao lin monks, how about a little
Bruce Skywalker!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h63T9RANnhc&feature=related
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heh! ... we're sitting right across from each other and posting the same shit.
haha... now if that doesn't beat it all!!
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OH this is fricken awesome!
Speaking of grasshoppers, shao lin monks, how about a little
Bruce Skywalker!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h63T9RANnhc&feature=related
I'm gonna be thinkin' that tonite ;)
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heh! ... we're sitting right across from each other and posting the same shit.
...but is your shit 'better' than my shit?
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Struggle.
PS Damn Ang, quit taking words outta my mouth! You must have heard old 'thunder lips' lecturing once or twiice ;)
Oh c'mon, why would you want to rise up from the flow? x'splain dis ta me!
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Bruce Lee, goin' with the flow, cause and effect, Tao in motion:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kgCwyHr7Fzs&feature=related
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Okay thats it, time for Kung Fu Hustle: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zub7o3MguEg&feature=related
Nice background music til I think of what to post heh!
C'mon Kris - do the Aikido "Pop Lock and Drop!" Get down and funky!
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Oh c'mon, why would you want to rise up from the flow? x'splain dis ta me!
Oh, I have grazzhopper, but have you the ear to listen?
;D
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Oh, I have grazzhopper, but have you the ear to listen?
;D
Yes, please dear zenmurito - tell me how you transcend the flow itself. The 'flow' is like, ah, the universe itself. Why would you want to do that - when its perfect as it is when you're there? :D
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Oh c'mon, why would you want to rise up from the flow? x'splain dis ta me!
Luuuucy ... you got some 'splainin' to do!!!!!
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Oh, I have grazzhopper, but have you the ear to listen?
;D
Okay I think I got ya, you mean like this, huh?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lELTGdHnqHY
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Its all good Zenmurito, but this is how I deal with the flow:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ouYYpxk5nY
Heh!
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Its all good Zenmurito, but this is how I deal with the flow:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ouYYpxk5nY
Heh!
Zenmurito out of the matrix for now....bbl for more shits and giggles!
z
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Zenmurito out of the matrix for now....bbl for more shits and giggles!
z
Me too! Im gonna watch an episode of Kung Fu and hit the hay - im off tomorrow, woo wee!
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Bye all... my ego needs breakfast!
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Wow!
You guys posted like 5 pages while I was asleep. :o
What I wanted to say to Ellen, I apologise if it's in here somewhere and I missed it, is that rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
I think Ang might have touched on that a few pages back, but I cannot find the post. ::)
Also, we are already free. It's just a trick our mind (ego?) plays on us to try to make us believe we are not.
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Wow!
You guys posted like 5 pages while I was asleep. :o
What I wanted to say to Ellen, I apologise if it's in here somewhere and I missed it, is that rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
I think Ang might have touched on that a few pages back, but I cannot find the post.
Also, we are already free. It's just a trick our mind (ego?) plays on us to try to make us believe we are not.
Free, free, free as the birds.
Yay!
Gone beyond the banks of suffering
In true realization of the perfection
that we always have been
You realize it, as do I
Yay!
Freedom's dreams have been realized
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Bye all... my ego needs breakfast!
"Let go o' my Eggo" :D
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Wow!
You guys posted like 5 pages while I was asleep. :o
What I wanted to say to Ellen, I apologise if it's in here somewhere and I missed it, is that rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
Thats very true. I dont 'need' rules though. I just like knowing which ones exist.
I think Ang might have touched on that a few pages back, but I cannot find the post.
Also, we are already free. It's just a trick our mind (ego?) plays on us to try to make us believe we are not.
Free, free, free as the birds.
Yay!
Why does ego, trick itself into believing its not free when it wants to be free though?
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Thats very true. I dont 'need' rules though. I just like knowing which ones exist.
Why does ego, trick itself into believing its not free when it wants to be free though?
Because it would have to totally obliterate the cozy, comfy home it lives in ... and it's never ready to do that. I don't think ego really wants to be free. But, I think Self has the ability to be free of ego.
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I think the ego is a part of the self but not the whole self. It should serve the self and then it would trust anything the self does, but sometimes it acts on it's own like a little child, and sometimes the self blinds itself to its own glory and thinks it is the ego only and that the ego is the whole of the self. Then we are in a bad place where freedom is hard to see. It is probably those very times when meditation could free the mind to see it's vastness.
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It's just a case of mistaken identity. (The ego.)
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I think the ego is a part of the self but not the whole self. It should serve the self and then it would trust anything the self does, but sometimes it acts on it's own like a little child, and sometimes the self blinds itself to its own glory and thinks it is the ego only and that the ego is the whole of the self. Then we are in a bad place where freedom is hard to see. It is probably those very times when meditation could free the mind to see it's vastness.
If you have a child, and the child grows up into an adult, what happens to the 'child?' The child, is gone, the adult, stands in its place.
If you removed the child, then there'd never be an adult. So you cant do that. You can, however, allow the child to change, transform, into an adult. Then the adult, transforms into....
So thus, ego resists its own change and transformation - the caterpillar doesn't resist going into the cocoon and metamorphing into the butterfly, well, at least upon observation. Who knows if its thinking "hey, that whole cocoon thing, is a shroud huh? Im going to die." Yes, it is, but itll be born into a butterfly. Ego does the same thing. But it has to be 'tricked' into getting into the cocoon. It 'thinks' itll be able to remain, a caterpillar somehow though. But its not. It has to give up that existence to be able to do that.
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Just Burn it up (the ego) ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ3Hk7AZFT0
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Interesting video ;)
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Simulation:
Person A-Random statement, never matters what it is....
Person B-That is your ego talking....
Person A-That's your ego talking about my ego talking....
Person B-Not. My ego wasn't talking about your ego. I was pointing out your ego.
Person A-Thats what egos do though, point. Therefore it was your ego, talking about my ego.
Person B-Now that's your ego talking about my ego pointing because I pointed out your ego was doing the talking? How do you know that was my ego talking about your ego?
Person A-Like I said, egos point, and make a point of things about ego.
Person B-That's just your ego trying to make a point about my ego making a point. If this is so that because I pointed and made a point, then you're making a point about that, and that means, per your point about egos pointing, since you pointed, that has to be your ego, doing the pointing! HAHA! I got you!
Person A-No, thats not the case. You brought up my ego, first. It was your ego doing it. You're being egotystical denying it was your ego involved in doing it. Are you saying you dont have an ego?
Person B-No, I do not have an ego.
Person A-All egos deny they're really egos.
Person B-Then you were denying that your ego was talking when I mentioned that your ego was talking. Your ego was denying itself.
Person A-Not the case. Your ego wants to deny its an ego, so it looks for others to point at and call and label 'egos' so it can avoid its own name and label. Thats why your ego brought up what you thought was my ego.
Person B-But it was your ego talking, and not my ego talking when I mentioned it was your ego, TALKING!
Person A-Why are you still talking about what you think is my ego?
Person B-I dont know anymore!!!
So let's see. Enlightenment is to be "free from darkness" and "free from delusion." One sure fire way of keeping ourselves at the bondage of delusion? Is to deny we have egos, and waste our whole lives, focusing on other people's egos.
See the insanity?
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So let's see. Enlightenment is to be "free from darkness"
See the insanity?
I can't, it's dark! ;)
One of my instructors favorite sayings....At the end of his lecture concerning fear and struggle, he usually uses the analogy of why we're fearful is that we're in the dark; can't see. He says, "Just turn on the light!"
It sounds so easy, and I'm sure it is. Well, maybe it's simple, not easy. Big difference between the two, imho.....Eh, where was I? Oh yea.....I'm sure it's simple.
My trouble is I can't find the switch!
or
Maybe I can find the switch, but really don't want to see?
or
Is the light to bright?
or
or
or.........
You get my drift ;)
Why don't we turn on the light? At first I thought I didn't know how......
That's not it.
Work in progress ;)
z
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LOL See, I pride myself on being nocturnal, though. And in truth, I think we have to learn how to be nocturnal, explore the dark, before we can flip the switch. Thats part of the fun of learning. Darkness is fun! And I wonder sometimes if thats part of the trouble - I mean, its so easy dealing in the dark. You can still get results, from the dark, in darkness, even if stuff is delusion - you can delude others with delusion too, play ;) But still. Thats why I think sometimes, there's something in me, postponing flipping the switch. "Rinpoche? Too much work! No play!" LOL
I can't, it's dark! ;)
One of my instructors favorite sayings....At the end of his lecture concerning fear and struggle, he usually uses the analogy of why we're fearful is that we're in the dark; can't see. He says, "Just turn on the light!"
It sounds so easy, and I'm sure it is. Well, maybe it's simple, not easy. Big difference between the two, imho.....Eh, where was I? Oh yea.....I'm sure it's simple.
My trouble is I can't find the switch!
or
Maybe I can find the switch, but really don't want to see?
or
Is the light to bright?
or
or
or.........
You get my drift ;)
Why don't we turn on the light? At first I thought I didn't know how......
That's not it.
Work in progress ;)
z
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Wow!
You guys posted like 5 pages while I was asleep. :o
What I wanted to say to Ellen, I apologise if it's in here somewhere and I missed it, is that rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
I think Ang might have touched on that a few pages back, but I cannot find the post.
Also, we are already free. It's just a trick our mind (ego?) plays on us to try to make us believe we are not.
Free, free, free as the birds.
Yay!
Achin' with the feelin' of the freedom of an Eagle when she flies! ;D
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Hey guys I have a question I'd like to ask y'all. Speaking of egos; how attached do you think our egos are to the idea that we are parents? How many of us here are a Mom or a Dad and recognize ourself as this first and foremost. When we talk about who we are we say "I am a mother of two" or "I am a single Mom." etc. So I was wondering, when we identify ourselves by our kids and our role in our family, what happens to our ego when this changes? When our kids leave home or leave the country as in Daphne's case, how does our ego respond? Does it lash out, hold on? What do you think happens?
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Hey guys I have a question I'd like to ask y'all. Speaking of egos; how attached do you think our egos are to the idea that we are parents? How many of us here are a Mom or a Dad and recognize ourself as this first and foremost. When we talk about who we are we say "I am a mother of two" or "I am a single Mom." etc. So I was wondering, when we identify ourselves by our kids and our role in our family, what happens to our ego when this changes? When our kids leave home or leave the country as in Daphne's case, how does our ego respond? Does it lash out, hold on? What do you think happens?
Mine havent left home yet so I cant say exactly how I would react. I know as a parent, I want my kids to grow up wise, be self-sufficient, be able to live happy lives, be able to take care of themselves, prepare them for the world 'out there' as they'll get thrown into the adult world. The world will change for them in perception, as its been doing all along, as they grow. In reality, the world doesnt totally change. People do. We grow so we see things from different perspectives.
Course they're a part of myself, thats part of being connected, and we're supposed to have connections as parents, and I always will with them. But as they grow, the relationship changes. Being their mother will never change, but eventually the nature of being the mother will. When they're out on their own, independent, it will be different. I may always give guidance, but they wont have to follow all my rules if they dont live with me. They'll be able to make their own rules in their own house. My identity, tho, in being connected with, even with that, there is still my 'self' and sometimes I do think about how later, house will be different, quiet, probably easier to manage, lol. But thatll probably just present for myself, a different phase in my life, to go in a different direction. Maybe ill choose to run away with the circus when they eventually get on their own, being able to care for themselves. lol.
I think how my ego 'responds' to their growing up, I dont fear them growing up. I did used to do that when I thought about how, oneday, the 'babies' I knew, real small little ones (and they're so cute at that age), will be no more, have adults standing in their place. It is kinda sad cause we only have memories left of them, like that. Old photos and memories, school pictures they drew, artwork, things they made for us, painted for us. Little 'I love you" cards. Now I get little "Love you mom" notes on myspace, from my sons account, LOL. Sure, love to get him a box of crayons again, or her some paint, but I know cant keep them little forever. Kinda stinks at times we cant go back for real, play around with them for awhile like that.
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Bump
Like I said, its about ego 'clinging.' But ego takes a death, the *I* which clings, and grasps, to a false sense of security in the impermanence of things.
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rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
Humanity as a whole needs rules otherwise there would be total chaos with everyone doing whatever they want and not caring about anyone else.
I believe in rules and if that makes me a stalker then so be it.
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rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
Humanity as a whole needs rules otherwise there would be total chaos with everyone doing whatever they want and not caring about anyone else.
I believe in rules and if that makes me a stalker then so be it.
For clarification Madam, the term 'stalker' was being used in the Toltec sense of the word. Quotation taken from a famous(in these parts) article written by Michael a long while back. Certainly not intending to disrespect anyone that feels rules are essential to the way of the world. 8)
I was speaking of our (respective) Paths and the way we learn in general. IOW, we learn and grow the way that suits us and if it doesn't exactly fit into the rules of how somone else said it should be, but still is of benefit to us personally, that's completely fine.
Sorry for any confusion.
In Lak'ech
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What I wanted to say to Ellen, I apologise if it's in here somewhere and I missed it, is that rules are for stalkers. You are a dreamer, right? So why do you need rules?
I think Ang might have touched on that a few pages back, but I cannot find the post.
Also, we are already free. It's just a trick our mind (ego?) plays on us to try to make us believe we are not.
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Like also remember, there is the rule of the nagual, and telling the 'rule' to one.
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And just reminding, like even in the tantras - its the difference with a healthy ego, stable vessel, or an unhealthy ego that clings to permanence.
We work on discarding the illusory *I* of ego which clings. That is the 'death.'