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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #225 on: December 07, 2015, 07:17:16 AM »
labyrinth

Now where I was? Been so many distractions since I posted this tag, to remind me.

The world is a labyrinth. You can examine it, dissect it, inspect its secret mechanisms, but in the end, there is only one thread of knowledge that is useful. You can divine ways to transit through the labyrinth, from penetrating its structure, but finally there are only two paths: those that find the way out, and those that wander forever within the labyrinth.

This is what I have been saying in this topic since the very beginning. You can seek to explain how the mystery of being works, but like the microscope - the stronger the lens, the more you find, on and on forever. The universe is an endless labyrinth, and understanding the mechanism of how it is built, is not the same as understanding how to exit. These are two separate things.

This is because of the strange nature of this labyrinth - it changes constantly. The way out one day, is a dead end the next.

Obsession with the mechanism is a trap, because it becomes a study of a study of a study ad infinitum - that is not the way out. The way out is a totally different technique to learning how to shift the moment between frames. The priest knows how it all works, but only the magician knows how to step in an out of the whole maze. Two very different types of knowledge. But both are necessary - one uses the waves, the other the water.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #226 on: December 13, 2015, 11:49:58 PM »
Hello Nemo :)

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #227 on: December 17, 2015, 09:09:57 PM »
i am listening

just nothing to say about what you are saying yet

we are piercing the water if i hear you correctly

sounds reasonable at a certain velocity

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #228 on: April 22, 2016, 07:06:55 AM »
Egypt is interesting as a name for the thread

So what is the only one thread useful you speak of Michael ?

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Re: *Egypt-Land of Pyramids
« Reply #229 on: April 26, 2016, 02:18:57 AM »
Ok

So what can be retrieved universally from such glancing sight

Those New and those old

to begin by looking at the base of the pyramid bringers of first light

next lets look at the golden tip


and now that those who would bring cream from top of receptacle to be drank by those at base

would scoff at such

next that the cream would try to then force change in the base

next that they are in no way separate as far as A.P's go

next that individually a static frame may come yet how affected would the whole be as that pyramid?


The psychological , physiological , and spiritual comes back to the lion at the foot of the pyramid


a matter for not only the intellect , also the spiritual universal being , also effecting the whole



the forsaking of the base leads to imbalance

through the tip seeking to pull away without integration

therefore despite all arguments

the integration will occur from the base despite what the head thinks

the base has hold of the whole structure


as the base has built in correctly


when it  is built correctly and integrated through "use" or motion

what is seen universally falls upon the base to correct with the heads use also

not despite, integrative

what occurs the head will not necessarily like


Lets not forget the "A.P" is not some far out untouchable image as much as an entire units being


if it must extend to the whole

it must first extend to the individual


karmically speaking it then extends to the family

and other families


and if push comes to shove

the physical representation of the measure of the spirit

far exceeds that of the individual even within the spiritual individual


so with the use of new eyes must the old eyes be aligned

not in spite of and not leaving behind


however the building of the pyramid make take care of that itself presently

i believe


if you wanted to shift the A.P of the earth

then you must enter the earth with power

you must command it with energy whole

and stimulate its hidden images to life


as a being containing power alighting within crystal amplification true course

which brings about heightened oscillation






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« Reply #230 on: November 21, 2016, 01:28:20 PM »
Now where I was? Been so many distractions since I posted this tag, to remind me.

The world is a labyrinth. You can examine it, dissect it, inspect its secret mechanisms, but in the end, there is only one thread of knowledge that is useful. You can divine ways to transit through the labyrinth, from penetrating its structure, but finally there are only two paths: those that find the way out, and those that wander forever within the labyrinth.

This is what I have been saying in this topic since the very beginning. You can seek to explain how the mystery of being works, but like the microscope - the stronger the lens, the more you find, on and on forever. The universe is an endless labyrinth, and understanding the mechanism of how it is built, is not the same as understanding how to exit. These are two separate things.

This is because of the strange nature of this labyrinth - it changes constantly. The way out one day, is a dead end the next.

Obsession with the mechanism is a trap, because it becomes a study of a study of a study ad infinitum - that is not the way out. The way out is a totally different technique to learning how to shift the moment between frames. The priest knows how it all works, but only the magician knows how to step in an out of the whole maze. Two very different types of knowledge. But both are necessary - one uses the waves, the other the water.

I have simply been explaining three different views held by three different attentions, end of story. What you have been doing since the beginning is promoting your view (chuckle) Since this thread has had over 20,000 views there seems to be an interest.

I'm sure what you mean by "step in an out of the whole maze" would be of interest to some. Please explain. To me your approach to interacting with the emanations at large will be based on a second attention bias. We'll "see"




All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #231 on: November 24, 2016, 09:15:11 PM »
Aaah, this is important, M.  Thank you to Nemo for highlighting it!

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Obsession with the mechanism is a trap, because it becomes a study of a study of a study ad infinitum - that is not the way out. The way out is a totally different technique to learning how to shift the moment between frames. The priest knows how it all works, but only the magician knows how to step in an out of the whole maze. Two very different types of knowledge. But both are necessary - one uses the waves, the other the water.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #232 on: December 04, 2016, 08:04:04 AM »
Two things that happened today, gave rise to some response to this question.

1. Some of my hens have scaly mite - a typical problem for poultry which irritates their legs. I have dealt with this for years, and I use the standard remedy that I researched on the Web back in the 90s: kerosene and sump oil, on their legs and on the roosts. But I thought perhaps I'd re-look it up on Google to see if there is any new treatment. (I have passed the sump oil days, but I still have some new thick engine oil around.)

On Google, I have it set up to display 50 responses to my query on the first page. I checked the first half dozen, and they all were for poultry owners who have become part of the new-age paradigm of super-sensitive to healthy living approach, which recommended using olive oil. Now this is most worthy, but unfortunately my budget does not extend to buying 20ltr cans of olive oil just to dunk my chook's legs in. So I kept looking for the pages I had seen many years ago on the standard farmer's remedy of kerosene and sump oil.

I could not find it in the whole list of 50 returned items to my search (save for a few comments at the bottom of pages alluding to the 'old' ways). This got me wondering. I ask a question of Google, and naively expect to get the answer. But Google is not interested in giving me the right answer to my question. It wants to give me the answer that most people on the internet are looking at. Truth has replaced accuracy with reflection. We have become encased in a web of reflection, back upon us, of what the majority of other people are focused on. Our vision is refracted, again and again, by all kinds of hidden agendas, until we have lost any sense of direction and purpose.

We now inhabit a world of mirrors.

2. An article in the newspaper about the effects of Climate Change on the wine industry. Quite an interesting article of how that industry is struggling to cope. But one comment took my eye. One solution, especially pursued in the USA, is to produce different varieties of grapes, and thus wine, which can adapt to the changing climate conditions of any wine producing area. Unfortunately, they can't get the customer to shift away from the standard varieties. One reason, is that the number of varieties of grape wines has become a problem in itself. Buyers are experiencing 'choice fatigue'.

We are faced with a level of choice that sabotages our ability to act.

I may have mentioned something similar in this long thread, from an experience in my youth, when very stoned at a party once, I became aware of my consciousness standing at a multiple crossroads of infinite choices. The more I looked, the more possibilities presented before me - a point of pre-decision facing a complete surrounding of doorways, any of which I could enter, and my life would forever change accordingly.

I experienced that as ultimately debilitating. It sucked all the energy out of me. I realised, that the only way to live was to deny the ultimate potential available, to select just one option and move! Don't stand still at the centre of a star, gazing at the infinite: ACT, and find the infinite through action. What we choose to do is not the issue - it is how we do it that changes our future.

Each of these examples demonstrates that the dimension of the Second Attention is not the path to freedom. It is the path into the bush, not the path through the bush.

The world has become more and more ensnared in the belief that we can simply choose any reality - they are all as equal, and none more real than another. This has caused a mental illness in society, where our collective agreements and understanding, which we take for reality, are becoming increasingly involuted - we are spinning deeper within our own reflections, and further from objective reality and truth.

The task for those who still yearn for something definably real, to use as a reference point for life, has become extremely difficult: we don't trust anyone, or anything, any more. This leads to depression and walking the edge of suicide, because death at least is real - isn't it?

This is what the ancient thinkers of India called Maya.

There is a way through the maze. It doesn't spring from words and ideas, but from the spirit of one who has found the spring. One who has struggled upstream in the maze of reflections, and finally located the spring of life. If you have found that spring, then Maya is at your disposal. If you haven't found that spring, you are at the disposal of Maya, and no matter how clever and insightful your 'seeing', it is ultimately false, for although you see a fragment of reality, you don't see the path through the bush.
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #233 on: December 05, 2016, 01:22:16 PM »
This is what we have been saying all along. 
Talking and thinking is not the way.
I would argue that too much explaining is a maze in itself, but that's beside the point. 

Only the way is the way. 

The way to The spring is to walk there.  Barefoot. 
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #234 on: December 06, 2016, 03:36:51 PM »
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There is a way through the maze. It doesn't spring from words and ideas, but from the spirit of one who has found the spring. One who has struggled upstream in the maze of reflections, and finally located the spring of life. If you have found that spring, then Maya is at your disposal. If you haven't found that spring, you are at the disposal of Maya, and no matter how clever and insightful your 'seeing', it is ultimately false, for although you see a fragment of reality, you don't see the path through the bush.

hmmm very guruish. :o This has been your point all along, i get that. got it a long time ago.

It's also very much written from a second attention bias, but you can't "see" that can you?

For instance, "seeing" is "seeing the flow of things, energy directly".

 In the second attention then something false must have  a truth somewhere else, but truths and falsehoods fall away in the bias of the third attention. That has been my point, it's not that each bias is right or wrong or better than another each bias has it's view, and each functionaly results in different  actions taken/choices made and why.

Also and this is a most important part of your post

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I may have mentioned something similar in this long thread, from an experience in my youth, when very stoned at a party once, I became aware of my consciousness standing at a multiple crossroads of infinite choices. The more I looked, the more possibilities presented before me - a point of pre-decision facing a complete surrounding of doorways, any of which I could enter, and my life would forever change accordingly.

I experienced that as ultimately debilitating. It sucked all the energy out of me. I realised, that the only way to live was to deny the ultimate potential available, to select just one option and move! Don't stand still at the centre of a star, gazing at the infinite: ACT, and find the infinite through action. What we choose to do is not the issue - it is how we do it that changes our future.


The third attention works with infinite choices, your focus here is on the future, and is very linear in thought,(note your use of forever) this is first and second attention bias. The third attention is not linear, and the past can be changed, both are fluid in a fluid construct, but its not an attention that is easily reached, or understood it seems.

Okay a hope that clarifies our difference for those who may come and read this thread.

Lily, words can give readers a boost, that boost is a gain in energy, and that extra energy works like a key to access portals out of linear time and space. But yes much maze like reading around, I get that too.
All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #235 on: December 07, 2016, 04:00:38 AM »
well there's a guy here who started talking about chicken mites today and having bought a bag of some stuff crushed rock or something for 30, 40 dollars . he said lime is cheaper around 7 dollars a bag ,
he is talking about them mites being on the ground and then biting people I believe .
I made them chicken soup , and then a woman stuck her head in and said she didn't eat chicken , wouldn't eat animals , so wouldn't eat soup 
then I said well animals would eat you if they had a chance  ,
now they put the music on playing an old song called stumbling in .
 
and I thought maybe the answer to the puzzle may have been placing the chicken legs in the grape growers wine .   





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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #236 on: December 07, 2016, 04:51:45 AM »

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #237 on: December 08, 2016, 08:02:12 AM »
Michaels words are wise here.

A butterfly was waiting by a stream , he saw a reflection of the sky ,
The sky was also a galaxy ,
Butterfly saw the space between stars , how the light was coming , the water too ,
Butterfly was larva, pupa , butterfly
Maybe pupa remembered joining , maybe larva remembered water , butterflies wings opened ,
Flew in sky ,
I do have the stories not always the words ,
I paint like a child with a finger in the sky .

Nemo he is also telling you the truth .

I like you both very much , I appreciate both of your words ,
I see the truth , words run out of road , and then must find a new road ,
I want you all to find the road into the sky,
Time can pass through the space through the sky in different ways ,
I am a butterfly who once was larvae ,
I am a butterfly who knows now how to fly ,
I am a butterfly who listens for truth ,
I am a butterfly who likes to hear how other people hear ,
I hear what is needed , and fly the right way ,

The reflection in the stream is the sky ,
The stream has become polluted ,
Although the sky still plays in the stream ,
All flight is not the same way ,
For some the reflection is maya ,
Regardless of the space between and the flight ,
I do not know all the words of India or China so I listen  carefully for their truth ,
We are lucky to have Michaels wisdom ,
The spirit to fly from Maya is fresh and strong ,
It is inside your seed to choose , what chooses must grow strong , then what is reflected in the water meets the sky , is not trapped merely in the water from old ,
By the same space between ,
There is not enough time nemo anymore , for these types of ideas to clash , you can give your opinion regardless if first getting an agreement , your spirit grows and you learn same for Michael ,

I have seen how this plays out in history ,
The elephant in the water has many limbs , and a reflection ,

Why run out of road if the elephant will also stand on it's own
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #238 on: December 10, 2016, 05:25:50 AM »
That's a rather impoverished response Nemo. I'm sure you could step up to a more elucidatory response than that.

To call on the Third Attention is like saying, "My daddy is bigger than your daddy".

If you have a purpose in reigniting this thread, you should be prepared to do more than reply with a puerile carp at my post, which even you should agree employed a considerable degree of effort to explain a difficult subject.

Truly, I expected more of you Nemo. You are not without a few neurons, put them to work, and cease this fatuous posture - match my effort with yours, at least.

Here, I'll help you shuffle those neurons a little - god knows you are capable of it, thought I suppose age is affecting them.

Third Attention: YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE!

My focus has nothing to do with the Second Attention (didn't I make that clear). It is about the First Attention - the Attention too many wannabes forget to nurture and cultivate. We are born into a body that will die! Use that body, it is OUR TICKET.

Now, show us your metal, methinks you spend too much time with sycophants. Grow a pair and shine your spirit for us - give us a gleam.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #239 on: December 11, 2016, 07:27:11 AM »
When all thoughts
Are exhausted
I slip into the woods
And gather
A pile of shepherd's purse.

Like the little stream
Making its way
Through the mossy crevices
I, too, quietly
Turn clear and transparent.


Ryokan