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Offline nemo

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2013, 07:03:54 AM »
So Ignorance, = A lack of knowledge, a state of unaware.

A being then that lacks a specific knowledge, or just a being that is unaware?

   
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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #76 on: August 08, 2013, 07:52:31 AM »

Nemo- with respect because I posted plenty lately,

I think you are that one that should answer this one.

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #77 on: August 08, 2013, 09:06:39 AM »
Nemo- with respect because I posted plenty lately,

I think you are that one that should answer this one.

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Nikos I am more interested in others weighing in, than my answer.

Fyi, this is how things work for me, I ask questions and the answers come to me. So knowledge, energetically speaking comes from the questions that are asked, and it need not be another human that answers it.

DJ Tales of Power:

"The moths are the heralds, or, better yet, the guardians of eternity," don Juan said after the sound had stopped. "For some reason, or for no reason at all, they are the depositories of the gold dust of eternity."
The metaphor was foreign to me. I asked him to explain it.
"The moths carry a dust on their wings," he said. "A dark gold dust. That dust is the dust of knowledge."
His explanation had made the metaphor even more obscure. I vacillated [* vacillate- be undecided about something; waver between conflicting positions or courses] for a moment, trying to find the best way of wording my question. But he began to talk again.
"Knowledge is a most peculiar affair," he said, "especially for a warrior. Knowledge for a warrior is something that comes at once, engulfs him, and passes on."
"What does knowledge have to do with the dust on the wings of moths?" I asked after a long pause.
"Knowledge comes floating like specks of gold dust; the same dust that covers the wings of moths. So, for a warrior, knowledge is like taking a shower, or being rained on by specks of dark gold dust."


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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #78 on: August 08, 2013, 10:26:46 AM »
Nikos I am more interested in others weighing in, than my answer.


Somehow, I am more interested in others weighing in as well. With which I mean
I wanna see development in this issue.

« Last Edit: August 08, 2013, 10:31:12 AM by Nikosv »

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2013, 12:51:12 PM »
I think unawareness is a form of ignorance, but ignorance can also be ignoring the truth.
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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2013, 02:20:40 PM »

Some thoughts from the earlier posts.

I think the flyer mind, the flyers as beings and the FI (which for me in the final analysis is one sort of a program or a pattern) doesn't follow us in the 'other world'.When we die or leave.

The other, that because everyone is unique he/she has his/her own way of dealing with 'it', this crap

and of course 'in the end' he can choose of how he/she will see it and what he/she will do about it.

I think the capacities are limitless in these respects and I personally feel it's a little crap to think and have "it" on our mind.

Yet again everyone is unique.

Hands up.

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2013, 05:12:29 PM »
A being then that lacks a specific knowledge, or just a being that is unaware?

An unaware person can have specific knowledge, and an aware person can lack specific knowledge.
But what is an aware or unaware person?

This is not easy, because the word tends to mean 'awareness of'. Nonetheless, we often use the word to describe someone who has woken up to their critical opportunity as a being alive. I call this the 'first enlightenment'. In the path of knowledge, the first enlightenment is only the beginning, where one sees the Path.

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #82 on: August 08, 2013, 08:27:48 PM »
What is an aware or unaware person?

Yes, so maybe a better irreducible term could be "awake"

So then we could have beings that are aware of specific knowledge, and not be awake. For instance someone could be told about flyers and what they are up to, but not grasp that knowledge and make it their own.

A form of something more akin to lucid awake, maybe we need a new word for it. kelucidawa lukecidawa lol

If someone has woken up in this reality, their cup is full of something so to speak. Rather than the flyer being cast out, it does not find a place to engage. That something could be called energy, but there is also an aspect of an accompanying knowledge, with a keen attention level, speed, intensity.

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I think the flyer mind, the flyers as beings and the FI (which for me in the final analysis is one sort of a program or a pattern) doesn't follow us in the 'other world'.When we die or leave.

This is an important point, but I think we should leave it for later. Not sure we can accept what you said without an explanation.


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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #83 on: August 08, 2013, 08:41:26 PM »
I think unawareness is a form of ignorance, but ignorance can also be ignoring the truth.

I agree, but truth is a weird thing, that is why I am trying to get to the irreducible truth. For instance someone may be meant to not grasp something. I had a girlfriend in my youth who really wanted to marry me, and I was okay with that kinda if she could get some of the metaphysical stuff I was into. So I forced the issue trying to wake her up, she was motivated because she wanted to be with me. My attempts ended when something energetic shot out of her at one point when I was asserting pressure on her, I actually saw it visually, rainbow fibers, and when they landed in me it was like currents of electrical energy. So when someone is not grasping something, and I believe Michael alluded to this earlier, that it must be meant to be. So you will often see me ask for permission to say something, and that is the reason.
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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #84 on: August 08, 2013, 11:53:20 PM »
I believe that Awareness can be measured in the capacity to be aware of something, A sort of over arching awareness that grants sub divisions of awareness if you want to. Me for example, I can be completely unaware of something and yet be able to talk about it blindly, and somehow get exactly what I need to hear. For example I had a recent situation that I posted on the other forum, and I rambled and discussed feelings. Knot showed up and completely gave me the answers or knowledge or awareness I needed. And it brought me profound clarity. I am not even able to know what it is I am asking until and answer arises.  I am almost able to compare levels of awareness if not the content of what I need but the intensity and am able to use that to see areas that I am lacking in.

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2013, 02:46:08 AM »
This is basically how i see what you are saying .

When applying it to what i see.

a fully opened gap equals " source"

" non coagulating resonance"

" god"

The alignment within spectrum functional movement ' with s'pectrum is something else.

And leads to " god" or " source" or " the wheel "

So now my awareness when asked to align a new " beam "

Requires one of two things ,

Alignment with " god source " as a complete energetic being

Or else abandonment to source as lack of volition .

And then ........

I also understand the use of a greater " force" as

External pressure to liberate a density .

Also a " golden hue "

What this means to say is .

The following to liberation to " god " using ones own volition requires a path

Of ones own volition in Completeness.

or the second hand having completed via path being given ,

Yet reaching a state of discontinuity to ones own self as unity

Finding replacement by given remedy by unsafe teaching or incomplete method .


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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2013, 02:53:39 AM »
The unsafe part ..... The breaking of eggs , that " crack when having pressure placed upon them "
Cracked gourd.

Hence , the sealing of cracks . Or else it is just a game of force

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2013, 02:54:39 AM »
The respective energy must at least reach of its own accord , or release

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2013, 10:26:33 AM »
I believe that Awareness can be measured in the capacity to be aware of something, A sort of over arching awareness that grants sub divisions of awareness if you want to. Me for example, I can be completely unaware of something and yet be able to talk about it blindly, and somehow get exactly what I need to hear. For example I had a recent situation that I posted on the other forum, and I rambled and discussed feelings. Knot showed up and completely gave me the answers or knowledge or awareness I needed. And it brought me profound clarity. I am not even able to know what it is I am asking until and answer arises.  I am almost able to compare levels of awareness if not the content of what I need but the intensity and am able to use that to see areas that I am lacking in.

Ahh thanks, yes the questions may not be that direct in nature, much like a river, the next thing to be brought into knowing, is the space empty, needing/requesting to be filled.

runningstream, that reminds of the story DJ said about some individuals are like gourds that have holes and they will always need someone to keep filling them.

So many insights!

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Re: The Foreign Installation
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2013, 06:17:16 PM »
Ahh thanks, yes the questions may not be that direct in nature, much like a river, the next thing to be brought into knowing, is the space empty, needing/requesting to be filled.

runningstream, that reminds of the story DJ said about some individuals are like gourds that have holes and they will always need someone to keep filling them.

So many insights!



Yep cracked gourds!
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