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« Reply #1155 on: August 15, 2009, 08:07:26 PM »
Why would Greens vote against a bill reducing carbon emissions from 5-25 per cent?

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Australia's carbon reduction scheme blocked by senate
The Australian government's plan to bring in the world's most ambitious carbon emissions trading scheme has been dealt a severe blow after opposition and Green senators voted the leglistation down in the upper house.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6019376/Australias-carbon-reduction-scheme-blocked-by-senate.html

By Bonnie Malkin in Sydney
Published: 7:00AM BST 13 Aug 2009

The bill, which would have led to the introduction of a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme in July 2011, will return to the senate in three months. If it is blocked again, it will give the government the trigger to call a snap election on the issue, taking the country to the polls as early as December.

Liberal politicians, who hold the largest block of votes in the Senate, joined with Green and independent senators to defeat the scheme, which will force about 1,000 of Australia's biggest polluting companies to purchase carbon permits, covering 75 per cent of national emissions.

The result was expected, after all non-government senators vowed to vote against the bill in the run-up to the debate, but the government has said it will not be defeated in the long-run.

"This bill may be going down today, but this is not the end," Penny Wong, the climate change minister, told the senate.

"We will bring this bill back before the end of the year because if we don't this nation goes to Copenhagen with no means to deliver our targets," Ms Wong said before the vote.

"It's not smart to pretend this won't leave us isolated from the rest of the world, and it's not smart to undermine our transition to a low-carbon economy," she said.

Kevin Rudd, the prime minister, wants the scheme passed by parliament before global climate talks in Copenhagen in December. The plan was a key promise from his 2007 election win.

With polls showing most Australians favour action to combat climate warming, Mr Rudd's Labour party has promised emissions cuts of 5-25 per cent on 2000 levels by 2020, with the higher target dependent on a global agreement at the Copenhagen talks.

The failure of the bill was lamented by green groups. Greg Bourne, chief executive of WWF Australia, said the move had left the world in a "vulnerable position".

"It is a travesty that our parliament can't delivery the certainty which communities, business and other nations are looking for as we move towards a global deal in Copenhagen," he said.

Business leaders also complained that the delay had led to further uncertainty. Julie Toth, a senior economist at ANZ, said the result of the vote was no surprise.

"Australian businesses are to be left stranded in yet another period of uncertainty regarding the costs, opportunities, timing and other essential details of carbon trading in Australia," she said.

"This is becoming especially problematic for the energy sector, which is now long overdue for some expensive heavy infrastructure investment that can only be postponed for so long."

Australia is the world's biggest coal exporter, and relies on coal for about 80 per cent of electricity generation, prompting industry warnings some coal mines and coal-fired power stations will be forced to close under the carbon-trade regime.

The conservative opposition wants the scheme delayed until next year, after Copenhagen and the outcome of United States deliberations on a scheme to slash carbon emissions.

Malcolm Turnbull, the opposition leader, this week set out an alternative plan to cut carbon emissions to help prepare for a snap election, promising on Monday to deliver a greener and cheaper scheme than the government's plan.

Mr Rudd has said he prefers to serve a full three-year term, with elections due in late 2010, but analysts have said he might want an election in early 2010 to avoid a vote later in the year when unemployment is expected to peak.

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« Reply #1156 on: August 15, 2009, 10:59:26 PM »
The Greens do not have the balance of power in this instance, so they can afford to stand on principle and claim the reductions and off-sets are far too lenient. They want to see much more aggressive action taken.

The decision is in the hands of the Liberals (a conservative party), as all other independents are against this bill for wild and varied reasons. It is not a set back, as the Liberals will pass it when it is re-presented in a month or two.

The conservative parties are split between those who accept such a bill is politically necessary - the people are demanding action - and those who don't believe in Climate Change. They are a bit of a blabbering mess, unfortunately for them.

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« Reply #1157 on: August 15, 2009, 11:03:54 PM »
The Greens do not have the balance of power in this instance, so they can afford to stand on principle and claim the reductions and off-sets are far too lenient. They want to see much more aggressive action taken.

Interesting, wouldn't it be better to have a sparrow in the pocket than dove on the roof?

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« Reply #1158 on: August 15, 2009, 11:08:37 PM »
you'd think so

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« Reply #1159 on: August 18, 2009, 09:50:13 PM »
I know not all Americans are stupid.

Even on statical grounds you'd have to lay fair bets there are considerable numbers of at least reasonably intelligent Americans.

I have been trying with increasing bewilderment, to follow the general gist of the Health Care debate in the US.

I am aware of two salient reasons for the Republican argument:

1. Big business is threatened with losing their monopoly on health - pharmaceutical and insurance industry. I expect the doctors are also worried they may be forced to reduce their handsome incomes. So there are vested financial interests by a very tiny and wealthy sub-set of the population. (In Australia we call this greed.)

2. Health Care has always been seen as the last rallying point of the Conservative movement generally. It is the watershed, the ultimate Waterloo, the battle if lost, spells the destruction of their entire existence. Or so it is seen by both sides on the old political divide.

So you would expect they would not be happy.

But what has bewildered me is the level of insanity that has been escalated in this debate by the Republicans. And even then, not so much the insanity of rabid Republicans - I know such idiots exist - but that their campaign has been allowed to grow to such a degree by the remainder of Americans. That your average American actually is taking these insane attitudes as serious.

Can't Americans see they are being taken for a ride? Can't they see these forces only have their own greed at heart? How can these people be so stupid? I just don't get it.

Don't they see how critical this debate is for the future of the US, let alone the health of 90% of Americans who are being ripped off left, right and centre? If Obama loses this, he will be crippled politically, and be unable to bring through all the policies which the world, not just the US, desperately needs for the near future. I am dumbfounded at the lunacy of what is happening.

That Americans don't mind sending their money and kids down the drain in some meaningless war with Iraq, but they don't want to spend a bit to provide basic health care to millions in their own country.

That, however, is not why I am writing this. What I also see, is a deep divide in the US. I know there are many intelligent Americans, and I also know that within that group, there is a very large number of people who must be close to absolute despair for their country.

This latter group, I sense will be forced to turn away from seeking meaning and value in throwing their life into such a pool of madness that American society has become. This is perhaps not such a bad thing. This is a group who will be left now with no alternative but to seek spiritual refuge in something indestructible and inviolate - the ancient and present Path. These people are ripe.

I sense a new wave of converts to Spirit. They held out hope - Obama came along - they sweated tears of relief - now they see it was all futile - now there is only one face to turn to: the one they always knew was waiting. All they need is clear directions.
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« Reply #1160 on: August 18, 2009, 10:00:56 PM »
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« Reply #1161 on: August 18, 2009, 11:52:51 PM »
If this is truly an honest and open forum and we all realise that
we only offer our own imperfect perception of reality...then I hope
you understand my perception that Obama is a product made by
the same people who bought you Bush for the same purpose...
to maintain the status quo....he has nothing to offer except more
of the same...he is well down the food chain when it comes to people
who make the real changes....don't touch that dial...we'll be back soon...
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« Reply #1162 on: August 19, 2009, 02:29:12 AM »
We going through a similar thing here in SOuth Africa. The government, aka ANC, is determined to push through a National Health Fund that will enable anyone to get medical treatment. Problem is, they have stuffed up the public health department - less than 10% hospital managers actually know what they are doing. The rest got the job through, connections, payback and cronyism.
Now while I support a National Heal scheme in prinicple, I do not support it here. They want 85% of what I pay my private medical scheme (and private medical health is the only thing that functions here, other than private schools). 85% because I already contribute to medical scheme. Those that work and do not contribute will  have to contribute 5% of their salary before tax.
The fact that government employees (at all levels) - including MP's and Ministers etc have private medical aid, and also only go to private doctors and hospitals because of the absolute mess and chaos in the public realm, seems to have eluded them. How public hospitals will manage when they cannot provide service currently, is beyond me.
It is a political tool.
Private medical aids will only be allowed to cover what is not covered by government - currently, like I said, public hospitals are a loss.
Aside from my own personal interest in this, I cannot see the private hospitals simply 'handing over' to the government - and the doctors too. public hospitals are mismanaged, short on staff, corrupt and what is not bolted down is stolen (no exaggeration). Free baby formula tins were stolen and sold by 'entrepreneurs'. They caught them, but.... depends on their connections if it'll ever get to court.

We are truly stuffed!

I could go on and on... but I'll spare you all!  ;)

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« Reply #1163 on: August 19, 2009, 02:36:43 AM »
It takes time to build a welfare state. First one have to decrease greed and corruption, then one have to increase trust for the "system". If you know that your money is treated well then you willingness to pay increase.

Then how to distribute the increased wealth and welfare is also a matter of many logistic and statistical operations. How much are the average citizen have to pay and how much can the poor citizen expect to get for free?

Then also remember, in many cases, that High quality health care is cheaper than health care that do not provide that high quality. Let us say that if all hospitals perform as the best quartile of hospitals for ten major public diseases, funding to the hospitals could be reduced with 10-30 percent regarding these diseases.
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« Reply #1164 on: August 19, 2009, 03:00:36 AM »
The problem here is that the ANC do not really know whether they are 'socialist' or 'capitalist'. The want to be certain welfare providers, but the tax base is insufficient currently for the population. We have a situation now where the unions have gone out on strike. The majority of the working population do not belong to unions. They want increase in pay, and for weeks at a time, we have different service providers on strike - including 'essential services' which are not allowed to strike. At the same time, the unions (and the SA Communist party) are in alliance with the ANC. Bringing different parts of the country to a standstill doesn't help the government in what they are trying to do. Hard enough without the issue of the unions. South Africa (like many other countries) is currently in a recession. So all the increases given now will have to come from the taxpayer in increased taxes. Running at a huge deficit, the government are then unabke to provide essentials like promised; to those that do not have them - housing electricity, water, refuse. etc. Let alone the 500,000 (temporary type) jobs by the end of the year (promised in elections).

T decrease greed and corruption is needed here. Don't see how that will materialize though. It's really bad here, both in the public and private sector, in different ways. It's really sad. There is so much potential here, however the bigger the population, the more votes there is.
Distributing the increased wealth is not a problem here... it just doesn't go where it's supposed to go!  :D

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« Reply #1165 on: August 19, 2009, 03:21:39 AM »
I sense a new wave of converts to Spirit. They held out hope - Obama came along - they sweated tears of relief - now they see it was all futile - now there is only one face to turn to: the one they always knew was waiting. All they need is clear directions.

Not all americans are stupid and the majority are willing to foot forth some tax for a good health care program knowing that even how much it costs from employers can be ridiculously expensive, and in addition, the elderly get nailed massively from this. But they're trying to use scare tactics that some other forms of medicine and treatment might not be allowed, like for cancer patients and the like. Either way, the other aspect tho, is america ripe for spirit, who says they  havent been spiritual at all? We've got churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, etc, all over the place. Dont think that the few, the small percentage of greedy bastards represents the whole of americans, cause they dont. They just got lucky, and in charge, and in cases say, got elected. Its like all waves we go thru, our 'representatives' forget they represent us, or try to make us think that they do, when they dont. We dont reelect them if they screw up. its all we can do if they do.

I do hope Obama doesnt back down from this, or at least finds a good solution, and not allow the republicans to make him compromise so strongly that greed wins again. I think hes trying to find something that will pass, and that will still help people who wouldnt have gotten help in the first place. So we'll see what happens. Ive been following the man myself, and reactions to him. I really hope he can pull us out of alot of things actually (like all americans want - out of this recession). Americans feel for those who have no jobs and the like. Its at the point if you have a fast food job in this economy, you're lucky.
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« Reply #1166 on: August 19, 2009, 09:04:58 AM »
What many do not know, is that possibly the two major reasons the US do not have a good Public Health system are:

1. The Senate requires 60% majority to pass a bill, not 51% as everywhere else in the Democratic world.

2. Richard Nixon was impeached. Nixon was anti-Israel, and pro-National Health - one wonders... He came within a whisker of getting a National Health scheme through, but was impeached just before it could be passed.


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« Reply #1167 on: August 20, 2009, 04:29:24 AM »
What many do not know, is that possibly the two major reasons the US do not have a good Public Health system are:

1. The Senate requires 60% majority to pass a bill, not 51% as everywhere else in the Democratic world.

2. Richard Nixon was impeached. Nixon was anti-Israel, and pro-National Health - one wonders... He came within a whisker of getting a National Health scheme through, but was impeached just before it could be passed.



Nixon of all bastards tried to get through such a equity task  ;D

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« Reply #1168 on: August 28, 2009, 02:11:00 AM »
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UK suffered one casualty in Afghanistan for every vote

The British force in Helmand suffered one casualty for every Afghan vote in the area retaken from the Taliban during the bloody Panther's Claw offensive.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6094583/UK-suffered-one-casualty-in-Afghanistan-for-every-vote.html

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Published: 4:49PM BST 26 Aug 2009

It has also been disclosed that polling day in Afghanistan was the most violent during the conflict with 400 attacks across the country, including one which killed two British soldiers.

Early vote counts show that the incumbent President Hamid Karzai is likely to win the first round but not by an outright majority leading to second polling day.

Despite the British force seizing the insurgent stronghold in the Babaji area freeing 80,000 potential voters from Taliban control only 150 people turned up to vote, according to BBC figures.

Since the launch of Operation Panther's Claw in early July and up to polling day on Aug 20 the British have suffered 37 dead and an estimated 150 wounded in action in southern Afghanistan.

Part of the operation's aim had been to allow the local population to vote and 13 polling stations were set up within the district but these averaged just over 11 voters each.

But Mark Sedwill, the British Ambassador to Afghanistan, said the operation was not specifically aimed at providing security for last week's elections.

Speaking to reporters via videolink from Kabul, he said: "Panther's Claw, although timed to try to improve security for people to move around for the election, was not specifically itself about the election."

He added: "The clear phase of that operation only ended a couple of weeks before the election ... there is a long road to go until that entire area is fully secure."

Mr Sedwill said turnout was expected to be lower than the last presidential election and he accepted Taliban intimidation would have "had an impact".

The most recent polling shows Mr Karzai leads his nearest rival Abdullah Abdullah by 45 per cent to 35 per cent in votes counted.

A candidate needs to secure 50 per cent of the votes to avoid a run-off contest against his leading rival that is scheduled for 1 Oct.

The ambassador predicted that British troops could be involved in dangerous tasks for many years to come, even once they were withdrawn from the front line.

He said: "I would hope that British forces are no longer in combat roles three to five years from now because the Afghan forces should by then be big enough and capable enough to take on that front-line task."

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« Reply #1169 on: August 31, 2009, 12:36:38 PM »
Looks like uranium is safer than coal.....or is this a PR ploy
to get uranium back on the agenda as the green alternative???
Fossil fuels (coal) it's gonna gitcha...Uranium will save you keep
you warm and help stop global warming.....


India's generation of children crippled by uranium waste

Observer investigation uncovers link between dramatic rise in birth defects in Punjab and pollution from coal-fired power stations

 Gurpreet Sigh, 7, who has cerebral palsy and microcephaly, and is from Sirsar, 50km from the Punjabi town of Bathinda. He is being treated at the Baba Farid centre for Special Children in Bathinda Photograph: Gethin Chamberlain

Their heads are too large or too small, their limbs too short or too bent. For some, their brains never grew, speech never came and their lives are likely to be cut short: these are the children it appears that India would rather the world did not see, the victims of a scandal with potential implications far beyond the country's borders.

Some sit mutely, staring into space, lost in a world of their own; others cry out, rocking backwards and forwards. Few have any real control over their own bodies. Their anxious parents fret over them, murmuring soft words of encouragement, hoping for some sort of miracle that will free them from a nightmare.

Health workers in the Punjabi cities of Bathinda and Faridkot knew something was terribly wrong when they saw a sharp increase in the number of birth defects, physical and mental abnormalities, and cancers. They suspected that children were being slowly poisoned.

But it was only when a visiting scientist arranged for tests to be carried out at a German laboratory that the true nature of their plight became clear. The results were unequivocal. The children had massive levels of uranium in their bodies, in one case more than 60 times the maximum safe limit.

The results were both momentous and mysterious. Uranium occurs naturally throughout the world, but is normally only present in low background levels which pose no threat to human health. There was no obvious source in the Punjab that could account for such high levels of contamination.

And if a few hundred children – spread over a large area – were contaminated, how many thousands more might also be affected? Those are questions the Indian authorities appear determined not to answer. Staff at the clinics say they were visited and threatened with closure if they spoke out. The South African scientist whose curiosity exposed the scandal says she has been warned by the authorities that she may not be allowed back into the country.

But an Observer investigation has now uncovered disturbing evidence to suggest a link between the contamination and the region's coal-fired power stations. It is already known that the fine fly ash produced when coal is burned contains concentrated levels of uranium and a new report published by Russia's leading nuclear research institution warns of an increased radiation hazard to people living near coal-fired thermal power stations.

The test results for children born and living in areas around the state's power stations show high levels of uranium in their bodies. Tests on ground water show that levels of uranium around the plants are up to 15 times the World Health Organisation's maximum safe limits. Tests also show that it extends across large parts of the state, which is home to 24 million people.

The findings have implications not only for the rest of India – Punjab produces two-thirds of the wheat in the country's central reserves and 40% of its rice – but for many other countries planning to build new power plants, including China, Russia, India, Germany and the US. In Britain, there are plans for a coal-fired station at the Kingsnorth facility in Kent.

The victims are being treated at the Baba Farid centres for special children in Bathinda – where there are two coal-fired thermal plants – and in nearby Faridkot. It was staff at those clinics who first voiced concerns about the increasing numbers of admissions involving severely handicapped children. They were being born with hydrocephaly, microcephaly, cerebral palsy, Down's syndrome and other complications. Several have already died.

Dr Pritpal Singh, who runs the Faridkot clinic, said the numbers of children affected by the pollution had risen dramatically in the past six or seven years. But he added that the Indian authorities appeared determined to bury the scandal. "They can't just detoxify these kids, they have to detoxify the whole Punjab. That is the reason for their reluctance," he said. "They threatened us and said if we didn't stop commenting on what's happening, they would close our clinic.

"But I decided that if I kept silent it would go on for years and no one would do anything about it. If I keep silent then the next day it will be my child. The children are dying in front of me."

Dr Carin Smit, the South African clinical metal toxicologist who arranged for the tests to be carried out in Germany, said that the situation could no longer be ignored. "There is evidence of harm for these children in my care and... it is an imperative that their bodies be cleaned up and their metabolisms be supported to deal with such a devastating presence of radioactive material," she said.

"If the contamination is as widespread as it would appear to be – as far west as Muktsar on the Pakistani border, and as far east as the foothills of Himachal Pradesh – then millions are at high risk and every new baby born to a contaminated mother is at risk."

In the Faridkot centre last week, Harmanbir Kaur, 15, was rocking gently backwards and forwards. When her test results came back, they showed she had 10 times the safe limit of uranium in her body. Her brother, Naunihal Singh, six, has double the safe level.

Harmanbir was born in Muktsar, 25 miles from Faridkot. Her mother, Kulbir Kaur, 37, watched her slowly degenerate from a healthy baby into the girl she is today, dribbling constantly, unable to feed herself, lost in a world of her own. "God knows what sin I have committed. When we go to our village people say there is a curse of God on you, but I don't believe so," she said. "Every part of this area is affected. We never imagined that there would be uranium in our kids."

A few miles down the road in Bathinda, Sukhminder Singh, 48, a farmer, watched his son Kulwinder, 13, staring into space while curling his hands up under his chin. Tests showed Kulwinder has 19 times the maximum safe level of uranium in his body. He has cerebral palsy and has already had seven operations to unbend his arms and legs.

"The government should investigate it because if our child is affected it will also affect future generations," he said. "What are they waiting for? How many children do they want to be affected? Another generation? I can leave the house for work, but my wife is always with him. Sometimes she cries and asks why God is playing with our luck. Every morning he sends a new trouble."

Doni Choudhary, aged 15 months, is waiting to be tested, though staff say he shows similar symptoms to those who have tested positive and are treating him for suspected uranium poisoning. His mother, Neelum, 22, from the state capital, Chandigarh, says he was born with hydrocephaly. His legs are useless.

"He is dependent on others. After me, who can care for him?" Neelum asks. "He tries to speak but he can't express himself and my heart cries. When will he understand that his legs don't work? What will he feel?"

India's reluctance to acknowledge the problem is hardly unexpected: the country is heavily committed to an expansion of thermal plants in Punjab and other states. Neither was it any surprise when a team of scientists from the Department of Atomic Energy visited the area and concluded that while the concentration of uranium in drinking water was "slightly high", there was "nothing to worry" about. Yet some tests recorded levels of uranium in the ground water as high as 224mcg/l (micrograms per litre) – 15 times higher than the safe level of 15mcg/l recommended by the WHO. (The US Environmental Protection Agency sets a maximum safe level of 20mcg/l.)

Some scientists have proposed that the ground water may have been contaminated by contact with granite rocks that rise above the ground about 150 miles away to the south in the Tosham hills, in Haryana state. A continuation of these rocks is believed to run deep below the thick alluvial deposits that form the plains of Punjab.

Increasing demands for water, in particular to irrigate the rice crop, have led to greater dependence on tube wells. That in turn is depleting the water table in the state at an alarming rate – by at least 30cm a year, according to one study – with the result that water is being drawn from ever deeper levels. However, this theory seems to be in conflict with evidence from parents of many of the children, who say they use the mains supply, which comes from other sources.

There have also been claims that the contamination may have been exacerbated by depleted uranium carried on the wind from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. At a seminar in Amritsar in April, Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, a former chief of the naval staff, suggested that areas within a 1,000-mile radius of Kabul – including Punjab – may be affected by depleted uranium. Although the prevailing monsoon winds blow either from the north-east or the south-west, there are times when a depression originating in the Mediterranean can result in rainfall in Punjab.

Meanwhile, smoke continues to pour from the power station chimneys and lorries shuttle backwards and forwards, taking away the fly ash to be mixed into cement at the neighbouring Ambuja factory. Inside the plant last week, there was ash everywhere, forming drifts, clinging to the skin, getting into the throat.

Ravindra Singh, the plant's security officer, said that most of the ash went to the cement works, while the rest was dumped in ash ponds. It would be more efficient to burn better quality coal that left less ash, he said. Every day the plant burned 6,000 tons of coal. He had no idea how much ash that generated, but the stream of lorries to take it away was continuous.

The first coal-fired power station in Punjab was commissioned in Bathinda in 1974, followed by another in nearby Lehra Mohabat in 1998. There is a third to the east, at Rupnagar.

Tests on ground water in villages in Bathinda district found the highest average concentration of uranium – 56.95mcg/l – in the town of Bucho Mandi, a short distance from the Lehra Mohabat ash pond. Such a concentration of uranium means the lifetime cancer risk in the village was more than 153 times higher than in the normal population. Tests on ground water in the village of Jai Singh Wala, close to the Bathinda ash pond, showed an average level of 52.79mcg/l. People living there said they used the ash to spread on the roads and even on the floors of their homes.

Scientists in Punjab who have studied the presence of uranium in the state have dismissed the government denials as a whitewash. "If the government says there is a high level of uranium in an area that would create havoc – they don't want to openly say something like that," said Dr Chander Parkash, a wetland ecologist working at Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar.

Both he and Dr Surinder Singh, who works at the same university and has also carried out tests on the state's ground water, said it was clear that uranium was present in large quantities and should be investigated further.

Another scientist, Dr GS Dhillon, a former chief engineer with the irrigation department, is convinced that the uranium has come from the power stations and accuses the authorities of failing to control the ash ponds, which he believes have contaminated the ground water.

Their concerns are bolstered by a report from the Kurchatov Institute in Moscow, Russia's leading state organisation for nuclear research, published last month in the Russian Academy of Sciences' Thermal Engineering journal. The report's author, DA Krylov, raised serious doubts about the safety of coal-fired thermal power stations (TPSs), concluding that radiation from ash residues and from chimney emissions built up around coal-fired power plants and posed an additional risk to those living and working in the area.

"Natural radionuclides contained in coals concentrate in ash-and-slag wastes and gas-aerosol emissions as these coals are fired at TPSs, with the result that an elevated man-made radiation background builds up around TPSs," the report stated. The situation became worse, the report said, if ash was used as a construction material or as a filling material for roads.

Always save the best for last..."only a 100 times more radiation"oh well looks like uranium wins.


A previous report in the magazine Scientific American, citing various sources, claimed that fly ash emitted by power plants "carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy", adding: "When coal is burned into fly ash, uranium and thorium are concentrated at up to 10 times their original levels."

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