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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2013, 07:43:50 PM »
Michael, Yes your view is one I am aware of and I did pass through that view, and because it would be incorrect for me to present my view as the only possible working view of how reality is set up, I must refrain from saying that what you say is wrong, it is not. What you believe is very important to ones experience, though.

I will tie all the elements together, shortly, it's not something I have put down in words before so, I am flying by the seat of my pants. How this relates to the assemblage point of the earth, and the personal assemblage point position and how that relates to static, will take a post that I am working on as a word document at the moment.
All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2013, 10:08:07 PM »
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However, seeing as you have outlined your static theory, here is my disagreement with it, just for the record.
I think you are not taking into account what AP means. "Assemblage Point": meaning it is a process of assemblage, not a static arrangement. We provide it with a sense of solidity, but in fact we are continuously assembling. This process breaks down as our mental faculty deteriorates, or we are influenced by stress, substances or lying.

Reread your post, and wish to reveal a little in response. In my view it is an inherent, part of the first attention view that we grow old and we loose our mental faculty, and yes it is time and a few causes that can hurry this up. This is also part of what has been trained into us. The intent of the double is not as subject to those assemblage point positions, I will do my best to show the difference in the intent available, to different views and attention levels. Also the assemblage point position, in my description does not loose the ability to assemble, it can draw from infinity itself any item from and infinity of items available in the next frame, we are used to movies being linear, as we are used to our experience being linear, but this is part of the world created by the first attention/mind/reason creation.

I know it's kinda aggravating having me spout off about my view, and as you read a part that you wish to comment on it, will be done from the position you already hold and are familiar with. Soon I will be finished and I will be more than happy to joust over specifics if anyone wishes.

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"You mentioned once," don Juan began, "that a friend of yours had said, when the two of you saw a leaf falling from the very top of a sycamore, that that same leaf will not fall again from that same sycamore ever in a whole eternity, remember?"
I remembered having told him about that incident.
"We are at the foot of a large tree," he continued, "and now if we look at that other tree in front of us we may see a leaf falling from the very top."
He signaled me to look. There was a large tree on the other side of the gully; its leaves were yellowish and dry. He urged me with a movement of his head to keep on looking at the tree. After a few minutes wait, a leaf cracked loose from the top and began falling to the ground; it hit other leaves and branches three times before it landed in the tall underbrush.
"Did you see it?"
"Yes."
"You would say that the same leaf will never again fall from that same tree, true?"
"True."
"To the best of your understanding that is true. But that is only to the best of your understanding. Look again."
I automatically looked and saw a leaf falling. It actually hit the same leaves and branches as the previous one. It was as if I were looking at an instant television replay. I followed the wavy falling of the leaf until it landed on the ground. I stood up to find out if there were two leaves, but the tall underbrush around the tree prevented me from seeing where the leaf had actually landed.
Don Juan laughed and told me to sit down.
"Look," he said, pointing with his head to the top of the tree. "There goes the same leaf again."
I once more saw a leaf falling in exactly the same pattern as the previous two.



 
All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2013, 11:12:35 PM »
It's not aggravating Nemo. In fact it's a pleasant diversion from my other tasks.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2013, 03:24:13 PM »
Okay good  ;D May I have permission to make a link to a post in another forum that will save me some work? A cut and past will not work, as well because it is colorized?

I don't understand what you want nemo, given all the replies below (maybe my seeing is not very sharp now)

You want to make a link to post it here or you want to post a text / post from here elesewhere ?

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2013, 02:42:02 AM »

This thread taking route other than love


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LQhamwJcVY

Not that I am not the culprit.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2013, 06:24:01 AM »
Nice groove piece Nik.
This thread has never been about love, to my knowledge.
It fired up about nemo's desire to shift the earth's AP, then segued into a philosophical discussion on the nature of the 3rd attention.

I did read nemo's transcripts, and although curious from a philosophical debate point-of-view, I did not see anything calling for my comment. I enjoy some speculation of the 'big picture' but, ultimately for me, it has to translate directly into a practical application. My approach is one of application - I like it centred in a philosophical intent, as that has to do with exercising the mythical quadrant of our being, but to solidify into our being, it has to be accompanied with a pragmatic task that I can employ through my day or night.

As nemo is taking time to arrange his thoughts around this shifting AP aspiration, I'll add something about APs from my own perspective.

I have always had an interest in shifting the global human AP for two groups.

The first, and most important, is those who aspire to personal freedom, in a special interpretation of that word. Popular concepts of freedom only have relevance for those who are seeking to escape excessive and violent entrapment situations, of which there are millions across the world. For the armchair middle-class aspirants to freedom, it is pure fantasy. But for a very select few, the concept of freedom is a real and mystical goal of escaping the claw and tooth of death, in the most sophisticated way imaginable - the clan of ultimate audacity. It is these people who are dedicated to quietly erasing themselves from the popular conventions, to sneak off in a totally different direction about which modern humanity know nothing except by way of names on holiday resort apartments.

The second, is the global human species itself. This is the world through which I am only "passing through" as the old song goes. I am not silly enough to think the culture in which I spent my formative years, did not represent a complex of opportunities critical to my current direction. I can't help but feel some yearning to play even a small role in addressing the catastrophe I watch approaching for our species, on both a physical and spiritual level.

In my younger days, I had grand ideas of how to influence humanity efficaciously. I now see those were only dreams, and yet, they were good dreams! But the world is under a trajectory driven by forces far more powerful than I. Doesn't mean I can't offer my small piece in the battle, but it does mean I can not afford to jeopardise my ultimate quest for the sake of the human race. Precisely because my path leads irreversibly away from the common fate of humanity. I only have so much time: I offer my 'elements', then I must go my own way. The fact that few take any notice of what I have seen, and even fewer can translate that into an effective force in their life, is a regret for me, but not one that, because of, I can deflect my momentum. That would be tantamount to deceiving both myself and those whom I seek to assist.

There is spoken of, the five channels of liberation. Some of which cycle back into service of humanity, or of greater collectives. For myself, I can't see those channels attracting. I am far too much of an experiential adventurer. My channel is the one which winds quietly off into the unknown. I yearn to 'go beyond', and never return. I somehow lack the instinctive love of my own species that so many of my day time associates take for granted. I have no desire to cycle back into 'the family', and I am very comfortable with the prospect of dying alone - in fact, I'm rather horrified at the thought of being surrounded by clinging humans while I'm trying to set my main sail.

Poor young Jimmy Fletcher never got there in his life, but by God he knew about it:

We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go
Always a little further: it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow,
Across that angry or that glimmering sea,

White on a throne or guarded in a cave
There lives a prophet who can understand
Why men were born: but surely we are brave,
Who take the Golden Road to Samarkand.

Sweet to ride forth at evening from the wells
When shadows pass gigantic on the sand,
And softly through the silence beat the bells
Along the Golden Road to Samarkand.

We travel not for trafficking alone;
By hotter winds our fiery hearts are fanned:
For lust of knowing what should not be known
We make the Golden Journey to Samarkand.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2013, 08:29:27 AM »
I listen carefuly,

I see myself as well many adversary forces this time in history...

though I cannot easily believe or disbelieve about a catastrophe.

Channels say there is gonna be a golden age, maybe after many years and an event like a catastrophe...

I 'm taking a lonely way myself as well.

Maybe you 're acting as an adversary mirror for the catastrophe (not to come).

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I believe noone actualy knows, that's why it is a shaking (as of dance) mystery.

If we would choose to believe... ermm... if I 'd choose to believe something about manhood I would believe something good.
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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2013, 09:03:45 AM »
(plus)

I can see your predilection, my predilection is somehow involving coffee

+ the unknown .

And nice poem although I think it's more apt to you.




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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #68 on: March 29, 2013, 01:24:54 PM »
I kinda like that it's in the love section.

I read your post Michael, you seem to be putting me in a box, that box is your inventory working against a new view. For me what I am offering I suppose could be categorized as philosophy and even a reasonable conjecture, and whatever western terms there are for putting something forward about existence or how things work. From my perspective what I am offering is direct seeing, of a different cognitive view, which I am mapping, using familiar terms. It is only a view, yes, but one from seeing.


Mapping attention levels

There is available to man, attainment of attention levels, with every bump up comes an accompanying, view and relationship with intent. All views are correct, because that view has a hand in the creation of the experience.

The first attention has an intent that is very recognizable, but it is not recognizable when you are in it's clutches, and to see it one needs to have moved past it, dropped it. This first attention view sees the shed as one shed and three people. Has an active internal dialogue and makes up it's reality in a manner of speaking unconsciously.

The second attention is aware of it's luminous nature and will start to act and behave in a way that sees themselves as a bubble of perception, and would experience and see the shed and three individuals spinning their separate perspectives of the shed. They have a less active internal dialogue and experience the currents of energy fluctuations of the soft body/energy body. Focus would be on developing the double and bring the timeline memories of the first attention into the energetic realm.

The attention level attained beyond that of the second attention, is unique from the other two. This attention has the facility to see energy directly with little to no internal dialogue.  The shed would be seen as one of an infinite number of sheds and the other two beings would be seen as reflections of themselves. The integration of the energy body and its intent, manifest in the material realm.

Moving the Assemblage Point of the Earth

As in Gandhi's case an alignment of intent in the first attention can be seen as a social movement. This first attention can and will have a relationship with intent that sees one earth, and many beings on it.

Second attention would see themselves as a luminous bubble, and would work with their fluid individual assemblage point, but would refrain from social movements and would not be aware of the totality of the self. Focus would be on personal movement of assemblage point to positions in dreaming.

The next attention would see itself as all the emanations in each static frame, no part separate, and in this way engage their will to move the whole being down timelines (furrows of time) away from intent that is contaminated by the bias of the other two attentions.

Note: Have reduced it down, significantly, but in short this is the view. Basically there is an assemblage point of earth unique to every one being choosing to be in this particular cluster of emanations. It is only the active engagement of the intent of the double that enables one to have the power to move the assemblage point of the earth.

A singularity with the power of the whole.

 








All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #69 on: March 29, 2013, 01:46:27 PM »
Thanks for posting again nemo.

I kind of appreciate this whole thing much.

I don't see it as philosophical... only the Earth notions confuse me a little as parts I can't fully understand and realise.

But... seems like everyone is on it's own in the end...so... nothing, just things make sense.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #70 on: March 29, 2013, 05:28:55 PM »
Basically there is an assemblage point of earth unique to every one being

You will need to expand on this a little, as I can't see how it connects to what you outlined before.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2013, 05:29:56 PM »
though I cannot easily believe or disbelieve about a catastrophe.

Thought you were in Greece Nik?

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2013, 07:46:28 PM »
You will need to expand on this a little, as I can't see how it connects to what you outlined before.

If you change yourself the world will change along with you. Each static frame carries intent from the previous frames which carry a thrust of energy into the current experiential frame. Those frames can be as expansive as infinity itself, or narrowed down in focus "toes"  If your self reflection fires up all the emanations available in one static frame, then it is free from the past static frames. If a being is strongly attached to static frames of the past they will solidify those past frames into the now. If that same being is attached to a future point in time "something like retirement or death" the emanations at large will accommodate that intent. So every moment counts as we bring ourselves to the next frame, thus each awareness being the center of each reflective furrow ether expanded or narrow will reflect to itself what it is.

Remember there is only a world at large as a description, the shed and earth are the same thing, just emanations at large, they are just descriptions of something unfathomable. When I use the term world, it lives in the backdrop of infinity, the same exact backdrop the shed has. You are assembling that point in time and the power to move the assemblage point of earth to more suitable locations in time are just reflections of other emanations available to each individual as they move along reflective furrows, available to each one singularly. Any other view other than one reflecting infinity creates a fixed construct, infinity is fluid no fixed reflected past and thus creates no fixed reflective future in time.

So to consciously create a world in which the reflection is pleasing such as going to Kashmir again with a partner, would require the ability to move down furrows of time where the reflection there is free from contaminants. What can make the self reflective bubble of the whole world free of contaminants is another expanded topic, but at its core is either we create knowingly with complete knowledge, or we create unconsciously with incomplete knowledge.     

When dreaming, we are not restricted to having the same fixed static frames, meaning the world is very fluid, the ground we are walking on may end just past our perceptual field. To see the possibilities available to each moment in time, wherever you are requires the fluidity of the energetic with the stability of the material, to reflect a whole complete self reflection, one needs the intent and energy available from the double, but the double does not comprehend in the same way as a singularity, and that is why DJ stipulates that the tonal should not completely taken out of the picture.

Only a centered balanced complete being, can handle the intent of the double, and the intent to move the assemblage point of earth, is there in the intent of the double.

Michael said:

"In this forum, we do not set out to obstruct the private me. There is every good reason for the healthy growth of the private me. But the forum is what it is, and that means every member eventually finds themselves before a struggle between the private me and the double. Some succeeded in this struggle, whereby their private me came to the realisation that they were not the only ruler of their destiny, and thus arrived at a constructive sharing of power with this elusive being, the double. They were the small minority, and they moved on to their next phase of growth in which a close partnership with the double became the core of their path."


YES

Michael also said:

"The idea I quoted from you above is an aspect of the new shift in the global human AP. It has political backing from the 'right', because it is basically telling people they have no need to feel in any way inferior: they are perfect exactly how they are, no matter how unhealthy, unfit, obese, poor or uneducated they are. This is a conscious manoeuvre by the 'right' to trick the population into compliance, while the wealthy rip them off. It is not by chance - it is part of a very complex and cleverly worked out strategy.

(nemo) On my path, I reached a point of knowing that I was being manipulated, and part of freeing myself from that manipulation, was to become keenly aware of when I was being manipulated and when I was being manipulative. Everyone has a double, our doubles are connected to everything else in a more direct way, when we engage the intent of the double we then have far reaching energetic undercurrents available to affect those controllers in a most inexplicable way. I see the effects of this in a variety of ways in my own personal experiences, that's why I speak with a knowing, a seeing for whomever is ready to hear.
All that is not based on truth shall crumble and fall, much that crumbles and falls was once truth --- nemo

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2013, 12:34:03 AM »
Thought you were in Greece Nik?

I 'm in Greece here, in a place called lycovrici which means wolfpond, in Athens.

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Re: *Egypt
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2013, 12:44:28 AM »
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I see myself as well many adversary forces this time in history...

though I cannot easily believe or disbelieve about a catastrophe.

Talking about a total catastrophe, physical as well as spiritual (which it translates to mental for the average man and woman (?)) as you say?
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